Old Thread, New Title: Maybe dems should focus on getting tough on crime vs relying on karma!!!!

[Pohemi]

After that, the only crime we'd need to deal with would be psychologically damaged people, because what other incentive is there to do crime?

Is greed a psychological defect, or human nature? Because it isn't a rarity amongst humans.

Isn't that a kind of Jordan Neelyism?

Innocent guy on the way to work gets assaulted by flailing menace.

Innocent guy fights back.. yet gets charged with manslaughter.

Sad thing is I could see it happening to anyone on this forum.. only thing is most of the people on the forum do not use NYC subway to get to work everyday and at least have the safe space of their car.

Neely never assaulted ANYONE, much less Daniel Penny. He was simply being obnoxious, loud, and threatening. As if that doesn't occur daily on the NYC subway system.

See...you've now crossed the line into 'shitheelyism' territory. FDC thread territory. Taj opinion territory.

You were previously just expressing your opinion on one instance of criming leading to death, but now you're just resorting to outright lies (which have been rehashed and debunked numerous times in the thread about the case) in order to justify your barbaric opinions of criminals. Only...Neely wasn't committing any crimes at the time he was grabbed, choked out, and killed.

So according to you, why did he need to die? Or why is it okay that Penny did the deed?

...tell those harassing and flailing thugs to fuck off.

...and kill them for it, yeah we get it.

wait, you think it is ok to choke someone to death?

Have you read his posts in this thread? Seems an obvious answer.

Extrajudicial killings are cool now because we need to (permanently) punish car thieves, mentally damaged people riding the subway, thugs, etc. etc.

 

[dank69]

Is greed a psychological defect, or human nature? Because it isn't a rarity amongst humans.

Neely never assaulted ANYONE, much less Daniel Penny. He was simply being obnoxious, loud, and threatening. As if that doesn't occur daily on the NYC subway system.

See...you've now crossed the lines into shitheel territory. FDC thread territory. Taj opinion territory.

You were previously just expressing your opinion on one instance of criming leading to death, but now you're just resorting to outright lies (which have been rehashed and debunked numerous times in the thread about the case) in order to justify your barbaric opinions of criminals. Only...Neely wasn't committing any crimes at the time he was grabbed, choked out, and killed.

So according to you, why did he need to die? Or why is it okay that Penny did the deed?

Have you read his posts in this thread? Seems an obvious answer.

Extrajudicial killings are cool now because we need to (permanently) punish car thieves, mentally damaged people riding the subway, thugs, etc. etc.

Greed, especially excessive greed, is a psychological defect IMO.

 

[Pohemi]

Greed, especially excessive greed, is a psychological defect IMO.

And there are different 'grades' or types of greed IMO. There's a big difference between wanting more in life, and not caring about who you hurt to get what you want. One can be benign, while the other is downright sociopathic.

I don't feel they are the same, nor that one of them is necessary for the other to exist.

It's the shades of grey between the black & white.

 

[dank69]

And there are different 'grades' or types of greed IMO. There's a big difference between wanting more in life, and not caring about who you hurt to get what you want. One can be benign, while the other is downright sociopathic.

I don't feel they are the same, nor that one of them is necessary for the other to exist.

It's the shades of grey between the black & white.

I don't think it qualifies as "greed" until it negatively affects other people.

 

[Pohemi]

I don't think it qualifies as "greed" until it negatively affects other people.

I think it begins with any desire to have more...of anything or anyone. It can start small, and quickly grow into a monster.

If someone is satisfied with what and who they are, and has no desire to change their station in life, possessions, etc...I'd say that is the true absence of greed. People like that are few and far between. IMHO anyway.

 

[dank69]

I think it begins with any desire to have more...of anything or anyone. It can start small, and quickly grow into a monster.

If someone is satisfied with what and who they are, and has no desire to change their station in life, possessions, etc...I'd say that is the true absence of greed. People like that are few and far between. IMHO anyway.

I just don't think wanting a better life for yourself or your family qualifies as greed. I think it needs to cross the line to the point it is detrimental to others before I'd call it greed.

 

[Indus]

Is greed a psychological defect, or human nature? Because it isn't a rarity amongst humans.

Neely never assaulted ANYONE, much less Daniel Penny. He was simply being obnoxious, loud, and threatening. As if that doesn't occur daily on the NYC subway system.

See...you've now crossed the line into 'shitheelyism' territory. FDC thread territory. Taj opinion territory.

You were previously just expressing your opinion on one instance of criming leading to death, but now you're just resorting to outright lies (which have been rehashed and debunked numerous times in the thread about the case) in order to justify your barbaric opinions of criminals. Only...Neely wasn't committing any crimes at the time he was grabbed, choked out, and killed.

So according to you, why did he need to die? Or why is it okay that Penny did the deed?

...and kill them for it, yeah we get it.

Have you read his posts in this thread? Seems an obvious answer.

Extrajudicial killings are cool now because we need to (permanently) punish car thieves, mentally damaged people riding the subway, thugs, etc. etc.

Taj territory. Oh shut the fuck up.

You've got your head up your fucking ass that if anyone disagrees with you.. they're automatically as bad as Taj.

We LOST 4 BLUE DISTRICTS because of YOUR IGNORANCE and pretty much the DEMS IGNORANCE.. and not because people were brainwashed by red propaganda.. instead they were pushed to their fucking limits on CRIME and LAWLESSNESS by Dems not being tough on crime.

I happen to remember when I was young.. New York was always liberal but it swung red for a piece of shit like Reagan.

New Jersey is already within 5 points just about every cycle.

PA is within 5 and it swung for a complete piece of shit like Trump.

Why the hell are Asian Americans, Recent immigrants buying so many guns lately? There are a ton of dem voters out there, who hate the GOP/ MAGA rhetoric, but their #1 priority is they want to feel safe and they don't.

And if a die hard left voter like me thought long and hard about Zeldin.. and we lost 4 districts.. I'd say you have a bigger problem than just arguing my points are stupid and you're right.

I won't change you and you won't change me.

You can be who you want but to win elections you need a MAJORITY and to get that you are going to have to compromise with those dem voters (not fake independents) who feel threatened by crime feeling out of control in the streets.

 

[Pohemi]

Taj territory. Oh shut the fuck up.

You've got your head up your fucking ass that if anyone disagrees with you.. they're automatically as bad as Taj.

Did I start off on that note? No, I didn't. I disagreed, but respected your right to your own opinion.

Until you started with the obvious bullshit to support that opinion. And funny enough, you didn't address the calling out of that lie. Just let it ride, huh?

Lying about cases, and misrepresenting what I've said in previous posts, that's your prerogative. It's obvious though...js.

We LOST 4 BLUE DISTRICTS because of YOUR IGNORANCE and pretty much the DEMS IGNORANCE.. and not because people were brainwashed by red propaganda.. instead they were pushed to their fucking limits on CRIME and LAWLESSNESS by Dems not being tough on crime.
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You can be who you want but to win elections you need a MAJORITY and to get that you are going to have to compromise with those dem voters (not fake independents) who feel threatened by crime feeling out of control in the streets.

Yep. NY lost districts to red candidates and it was all and only because crime and fear. Sure thing, buddy.

You can claim to be liberal/leftist because that's the way you vote, but it doesn't mean that you don't have some opinions that very much align with hard righters on crime and punishment. Pretending otherwise is just another lie. Suit yourself.

 

[Indus]

Yep. NY lost districts to red candidates and it was all and only because crime and fear. Sure thing, buddy.

Hubris is costly when it comes to elections. Just look at RBG's hubris.

I'm a dem.. and I have a lot to lose if dems lose.. which is why I'm raising the alarm here..

You
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It could totally nullify the dobbs backlash.

But fine, its a free country.. believe what you will

 

[nakedfrog]

Deterrent punishment is for people that think ahead. Death penalty if for stupid violent people.

People who believe the government to be generally incompetent probably shouldn't be in favor of the government executing people, given that we know with utter certainty the government has executed the innocent.

 

[Greenman]

People who believe the government to be generally incompetent probably shouldn't be in favor of the government executing people, given that we know with utter certainty the government has executed the innocent.

I've never been a fan of capitol punishment for exactly this reason. Mistakes are irreversible.

 

[nakedfrog]

You can be who you want but to win elections you need a MAJORITY and to get that you are going to have to compromise with those dem voters (not fake independents) who feel threatened by crime feeling out of control in the streets.

And, as the data has shown, the death penalty has no effect on crime.
"Oh, but those we executed won't commit any more crimes!"
Great, that's not going to have any actual effect on crime rates, any more than swatting every mosquito you see around a pool of stagnant water will reduce the number of mosquitoes. You need to clean up the stagnant water. There is no justice served by the death penalty, it doesn't undo the crime, it doesn't prevent others from committing crime. And, in our current system, it will always be unfairly applied to people of lesser means, and you want to expand it further.

 

[Indus]

You can claim to be liberal/leftist because that's the way you vote, but it doesn't mean that you don't have some opinions that very much align with hard righters on crime and punishment. Pretending otherwise is just another lie. Suit yourself.

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Soon you'll be calling me a right winger just because I want oxygen and water since they do as well.

Wanting law and order, security and harsher penalties for violent criminal assaults does not mean you're brainwashed by right wing.

 

[cytg111]

Video Shows Attack on Gay Couple at Manhattan BBQ Restaurant

Police say they're investigating an assault inside a Chelsea restaurant last night as a possible hate crime.

www.ny1.com

‘Terrified For My Life': Transgender Woman Verbally Assaulted on Metro Train

A transgender woman was verbally assaulted while riding a Green Line Metro train Saturday in an incident that she caught on video.

www.nbcwashington.com

Lesbian activist assaulted with barstool at D.C. lounge

Police say victim’s claim of anti-gay hate crime under investigation

www.washingtonblade.com

Gay couple, their children verbally assaulted by Amtrak passenger during ride to Bay Area

The couple says a passenger came up to their family and began screaming at the children, referring to them as "pedophiles" who stole the kids.

abc7news.com

Transgender woman attacked at Minneapolis rail station

A transgender woman has been brutally assaulted near a light rail station in Minneapolis, suffering a rib fracture, collapsed lung and brain bleed.

apnews.com

'Treated like an animal': Transgender woman sues Maryland over assault, abuse in jail

The lawsuit said Gilliam's treatment qualifies as "cruel and unusual" under the 14th Amendment, gross negligence and as violating the Americans With Disabilities Act.

www.cbsnews.com

Soon you'll be calling me a right winger just because I want oxygen and water since they do as well.

Wanting law and order, security and harsher penalties for violent criminal assaults does not mean you're brainwashed by right wing.

I thought this was about carjacking?

 

[nakedfrog]

Did anyone else see those goal posts just whiz by?

 

[cytg111]

Did anyone else see those goal posts just whiz by?

It makes sense, Indus is obviously coming at this from an emotional point of view and all we do is attack it with reason… That is going to fail 100 out of 100.

 

[Pohemi]

Yeah now he's resorted to various random crimes as evidence we should just kill all the perpetrators. And shitheel-level leaps of logic. And discussions of elections and outcome causes as opposed to the topic of the thread he started himself.

Seems crazy to me at this point when he starts lying or misrepresenting events to support his view. Took a few pages for the opinions to become more clear, but here they are.

But it's okay, because they're so much more 'leftist' than anyone else here. Don't question it/him because he's such a liberal. The most bestest liberal there ever was on these forums!

 

[Indus]

It makes sense, Indus is obviously coming at this from an emotional point of view and all we do is attack it with reason… That is going to fail 100 out of 100.

Goebbels propaganda 101:

Most people are ruled by sentiment rather than by sober reasoning.

Did anyone else see those goal posts just whiz by?

It was but I got accused of being a right wing shill.

With stuff that's important to me, why the fuck would I vote for them?

 

[cytg111]

Sure

Goebbels propaganda 101:

Most people are ruled by sentiment rather than by sober reasoning.


It was but I got accused of being a right wing shill.

With stuff that's important to me, why the fuck would I vote for them?

What doesnt make sense to me is the carjacking thing, why come down hard on that, given whats important to you I’d expect you to come down hard on hate crime… not random crime.

 

[Indus]

Yeah now he's resorted to various random crimes as evidence we should just kill all the perpetrators. And shitheel-level leaps of logic.

Seems shitheel-crazy to me at this point when he starts lying or misrepresenting events to support his view. Took a few pages for the opinions to become more clear, but here they are.

But it's okay, because they're so much 'leftist' than anyone here. Don't question it/him because he's such a liberal.

And your hubris has caused a 6-3 supreme court since 3 states swing for a dipshit like Trump but don't question your own stupidi liberal purity tests.

 

[cytg111]

And your hubris has caused a 6-3 supreme court since 3 states swing for a dipshit like Trump but don't question your own stupidi liberal purity tests.

A word

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[Pohemi]

Attention everyone: all of the country's problems and all of the shit things that conservatives have done is all because of liberal hubris. Oh, but just liberals who don't agree with extrajudicial killings and capital punishment for small-time offenders.

Bullshit thread for bullshit views. Your shitheaded feels aren't because of anything I did. Own the opinion and wear it with pride, don't point the finger elsewhere blaming other's hubris.

 

[Indus]

Sure

What doesnt make sense to me is the carjacking thing, why come down hard on that, given whats important to you I’d expect you to come down hard on hate crime… not random crime.

Degrees of severity:

teenager calls someone a swear word.. minor altercation

teenager assaults someone violently.. more than a minor altercation but most of the time no one goes to jail..

teenager steals a car, drives 100 mph ramming and causing a car crash where people die.. should that be brushed aside since it's a teen too?

More violent crimes need harsher penalties.

You sure as hell don't wanna know what I think of carjackers who steal cars with kids inside the car.

 

[Indus]

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Agreed since I'm not wanting death penalties for shop lifting but instead violent offenses.

A bigger question is since when is killing other innocent people not considered the worst offense?

When did we get desensitized to loss of human life?

 

[Indus]

Me and my wife were just talking.. why is it we feel safer in Singapore than in US

and then she saw this today:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1677345992302051328