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Indus

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Bad Indus. No you cant kill everyone you dont like. Bad.

In other words.. lets strawman Indus and

continue

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Ive always said Democrats are soft on crime. At least some are coming around. Criminals need punishment, not coddling.

Lock 'em up!

If dems are soft on crime.. what the fuck do you call yourselves?

Your spine is softer than tissue papers!

Fucking criminal syndicate from top to bottom including your orange god.

And your Top Gov wants to exterminate my kind.

No thank you.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
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Bad Indus. No you cant kill everyone you dont like. Bad.
I think he has been drinking too much Bud Light. Just incoherent rambling at this point. He needs to learn how to focus on this agenda not go off on some rant that is not germane to the point.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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In other words.. lets strawman Indus and

continue

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If dems are soft on crime.. what the fuck do you call yourselves?

Your spine is softer than tissue papers!

Fucking criminal syndicate from top to bottom including your orange god.

And your Top Gov wants to exterminate my kind.

No thank you.
No but maybe back policies that will actually reduce crime and address your concern rather than …
 

Zorba

Lifer
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And what is wrong with the people where you live, that the Walmarts are trashed?
Saying they've been damaged fits into the narrative you are trying to dispel.
I take it you haven't been to many Walmarts?
 
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Indus

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Wait, werent you and Indus getting drunk the other day? Must have been...

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You clearly don't know me.

I don't normally drink beer, but when I do it's Heineken.

Most of the time I prefer Bourbon..

As we covered in our bourbon thread:


Currently drinking:

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Indus

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BTW..


The stabbing death of a shoplifter at a Midtown CVS has New Yorkers once again buzzing about how a dramatic rise in retail theft since the COVID pandemic should be addressed — and whether more violence in stores can be expected.

Charles Brito, the 50-year-old suspected shoplifter who was stabbed dead by a store clerk, had a history of petty theft before he walked into the CVS on Broadway and W. 49th St. early Thursday morning.

According to cops, Brito punched the clerk, Scotty Enoe, in the face after Enoe attempted to stop him from lifting merchandise. Enoe then pulled out a knife and stabbed Brito in the torso. Enoe is facing charges in the killing.

But the bloody end to Brito’s life could have been avoided, according to elected officials, store owners and law enforcement experts who say much more needs to be done to prevent shoplifting from happening in the first place.

“It’s totally predictable that you’re going to have events like this when you cripple law enforcement,” said Eugene O’Donnell, a former NYPD officer who now lectures at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. “Basically, you have the law of the street now. It falls on store clerks and subway passengers — they have to step in and fill the vacuum that should be filled by having a reliable, dependable, accessible law enforcement and security apparatus.”

O’Donnell contends that a failure to adequately prosecute low-level crimes like shoplifting has resulted in a climate where cops are less likely to arrest suspected thieves, and store clerks are less likely to expect cops to respond to calls.

Francisco Marte, the president of the Bodega and Small Business Group, offered a similar view.

Marte helped bail out Harlem bodega worker Jose Alba after he fatally stabbed a patron who attacked him behind the counter of a corner store, and he advocated for his charges to be dropped. He also threw his support behind Harlem fish market worker Junior Hernandez who fatally stabbed a man and wounded his brother after they were thwarted from shoplifting shrimp.

“Every time something like this happens, you can see that the person has over 20 previous arrests. So what are they doing on the street? They’re supposed to be in jail,” he said. “We as a community have to hold accountable our elected officials, as well as our DAs. They are not doing their jobs. They are the ones that are creating the environment in which people think that they can commit crimes and get away with it.”

In particular, Marte faulted the Manhattan District Attorney, Alvin Bragg.

Bragg came under fire as soon as he took office in January 2022 when he advised prosecutors to charge people accused of armed robbery in stores with petit larceny, provided they didn’t create a genuine risk of physical harm. After catching blowback for the move, Bragg clarified the policy, saying his office would seek felony charges for anyone waving a gun in a store — loaded or not.

Petty larcenies, the majority of them connected to shoplifting, rose a staggering 44% from 2021 to 2022 and have remained largely flat this year, dropping just 2%, according to NYPD data. Police made over 22,000 retail theft arrestselast year.

Shoplifting rates have steadily risen across the country since the pandemic. According to the National Retail Federation, retailers nationwide lost $94.5 billion in merchandise in 2021, a number that’s expected to rise to $115 billion by 2025. In New York, shoppers in many drug stores need to ask clerks to unlock containers shielding everyday items.

Councilman Bob Holden (D-Queens) wrote to CVS last month to demand that the chain pharmacy do more to address thefts in its stores within his district. On Friday he told the Daily News that the company has been responsive.

“The cops are overwhelmed,” he said. “If you listen to the scanner, each car is holding five 911 jobs. They’re going to put someone shoplifting from CVS way on the bottom of the list — they’re not going to get there on time. So we need to beef up security.”
 

cytg111

Lifer
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BTW..


The stabbing death of a shoplifter at a Midtown CVS has New Yorkers once again buzzing about how a dramatic rise in retail theft since the COVID pandemic should be addressed — and whether more violence in stores can be expected.

Charles Brito, the 50-year-old suspected shoplifter who was stabbed dead by a store clerk, had a history of petty theft before he walked into the CVS on Broadway and W. 49th St. early Thursday morning.

According to cops, Brito punched the clerk, Scotty Enoe, in the face after Enoe attempted to stop him from lifting merchandise. Enoe then pulled out a knife and stabbed Brito in the torso. Enoe is facing charges in the killing.

But the bloody end to Brito’s life could have been avoided, according to elected officials, store owners and law enforcement experts who say much more needs to be done to prevent shoplifting from happening in the first place.

“It’s totally predictable that you’re going to have events like this when you cripple law enforcement,” said Eugene O’Donnell, a former NYPD officer who now lectures at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. “Basically, you have the law of the street now. It falls on store clerks and subway passengers — they have to step in and fill the vacuum that should be filled by having a reliable, dependable, accessible law enforcement and security apparatus.”

O’Donnell contends that a failure to adequately prosecute low-level crimes like shoplifting has resulted in a climate where cops are less likely to arrest suspected thieves, and store clerks are less likely to expect cops to respond to calls.

Francisco Marte, the president of the Bodega and Small Business Group, offered a similar view.

Marte helped bail out Harlem bodega worker Jose Alba after he fatally stabbed a patron who attacked him behind the counter of a corner store, and he advocated for his charges to be dropped. He also threw his support behind Harlem fish market worker Junior Hernandez who fatally stabbed a man and wounded his brother after they were thwarted from shoplifting shrimp.

“Every time something like this happens, you can see that the person has over 20 previous arrests. So what are they doing on the street? They’re supposed to be in jail,” he said. “We as a community have to hold accountable our elected officials, as well as our DAs. They are not doing their jobs. They are the ones that are creating the environment in which people think that they can commit crimes and get away with it.”

In particular, Marte faulted the Manhattan District Attorney, Alvin Bragg.

Bragg came under fire as soon as he took office in January 2022 when he advised prosecutors to charge people accused of armed robbery in stores with petit larceny, provided they didn’t create a genuine risk of physical harm. After catching blowback for the move, Bragg clarified the policy, saying his office would seek felony charges for anyone waving a gun in a store — loaded or not.

Petty larcenies, the majority of them connected to shoplifting, rose a staggering 44% from 2021 to 2022 and have remained largely flat this year, dropping just 2%, according to NYPD data. Police made over 22,000 retail theft arrestselast year.

Shoplifting rates have steadily risen across the country since the pandemic. According to the National Retail Federation, retailers nationwide lost $94.5 billion in merchandise in 2021, a number that’s expected to rise to $115 billion by 2025. In New York, shoppers in many drug stores need to ask clerks to unlock containers shielding everyday items.

Councilman Bob Holden (D-Queens) wrote to CVS last month to demand that the chain pharmacy do more to address thefts in its stores within his district. On Friday he told the Daily News that the company has been responsive.

“The cops are overwhelmed,” he said. “If you listen to the scanner, each car is holding five 911 jobs. They’re going to put someone shoplifting from CVS way on the bottom of the list — they’re not going to get there on time. So we need to beef up security.”
I am almost afraid to ask :)…. What is your proposed solution to this?
 
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FelixDeCat

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Maybe it's your solution.. cops actually doing their jobs and DA's actually keeping criminals behind bars!
You know, come to think of it, your average shop lifter is a liberal. Sadly, it makes it hard for chain stores like CVS and Walgreens to make a living. I guess you could say this is a case of:

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You know, come to think of it, your average shop lifter is a liberal.

What a bizarre claim. Can't say I've ever seen any data on the political beliefs of the "average" shoplifter (whatever 'average' means in that context). If there's any ideology that's disproportionately-represented among them my guess is it would be 'anarchist'. Liberals tend to be very well off so I doubt they go in for shoplifting much.
 
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Tsinni Dave

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This is in response to the original thread title, for those that remember how it started before the goalposts moved from "Nyah Nyah, some kids stole a car and died in an accident! Hooray!"
I lived for years on a farm next to a Canadian Federal Penitentiary and we were told the best thing was to leave the keys in our vehicles so any escapees wouldn't have to break into the house to steal a vehicle - because a vehicle is replaceable. As replaceable as the title of this thread as it attempts to evolve past the "I love my possessions more than people and I hope they die in horrible ways if they touch my toys because my toys define me" confession and into claiming that liberals are more likely to shoplift. Reality check - rich people are more likely to shoplift than average.
 
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What a bizarre claim. Can't say I've ever seen any data on the political beliefs of the "average" shoplifter (whatever 'average' means in that context). If there's any ideology that's disproportionately-represented among them my guess is it would be 'anarchist'. Liberals tend to be very well off so I doubt they go in for shoplifting much.
Granted, I am hypothesizing. But you dont have to be poor to shoplift. There have been many millionaire shoplifters who did it for kicks (I suppose) or maybe they were just kleptos.

Celebrities Who Were Busted for Shoplifting:

 

pmv

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Granted, I am hypothesizing. But you dont have to be poor to shoplift. There have been many millionaire shoplifters who did it for kicks (I suppose) or maybe they were just kleptos.

Celebrities Who Were Busted for Shoplifting:


I'd bet it's overwhelmingly the poor who shoplift. That's why the cost-of-living crisis has been accompanied by a big rise in such losses from shops. Occasionally you get a celeb caught at it - I guess it's a mixture of thrill-seeking, a sense-of-entitlement, and (for the older ones) dementia. But they are a tiny minority of them (and many of those celebs are pretty conservative).

The only political aspect I've noticed is that there seems to be an overlap between shoplifters and a certain kind of squat-dwelling anarchist sub-culture (where being a scofflaw seems to be obligatory if you are to maintain credibility among your peers).
 

Indus

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And here's to show criminals have absolutely zero interest in money, but instead destroying lives:

This morning in Queens, NY


No robbery, no argument, just bang bang anyone not with a vehicle

Edit: Person caught


 
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