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Oh. So this is why Star Trek: Enterprise failed miserably...

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1. DS9 had the best theme.
2. Best show was TNG.
3. TOS was the original that started it all.
4. The trouble with tribbles is: It seems like they have evolved to post on the internet without the cognitive ability to make their posts worth reading.
 
I remember tuning in to the first episode of Enterprise. When that theme came on I couldn't freaking believe it. They got a LOT of flack about it, but never changed it significantly.

Agree with most of what's been posted about its weaknesses. Some of the early plots were just very slight variations of episodes from other Trek series. The writers were clearly out of ideas. Some of the characters also had absolutely no depth or development.

I'm glad they took the series in the direction of season-long story arcs, though. I think that ended up being its only memorable attribute.

On other Trek series:
Prefer both TNG and Voyager to DS9. I know DS9 is some people's favorite, but I suffered through most of it. Lots of pew pew pew space battles, but I thought the Dominion was a pretty lame foe. Never as deceptive as they were billed to be, and the Jem'Hadar were just rebadged Klingons. Also, Avery Brooks is a terrible actor. Terrible.
 
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Oh wait, take that back the opening was horribad. All previous ST had a mature classical feel but Enterprise has .. bon jovi?
 
shortylickens said:
- The Nagus.
Also, any other Ferengi-centric episode is best ignored if you wish to keep from getting fed up with DS9. Trust me on this. Only hardcore fans can stomach them. Quark-centric episodes arent too bad, but the Nagus and Quarks mom and his extended family are annoying.
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BLASPHEMER!!!

Those were comedic gold episodes.
 
^^^^ha kind of like TNG when they went to the past and cut in some scenes from trouble with tribbles(?). Warfs statement about the way klingons looked was "we don't talk about those days anymore" or something similar. Like Kligons from the past were all metrosexual dudes.
 
It was shit IMO because:

- the producers jumped on the prequel bandwagon of Hollywood at that time
- a good premise, but poor enemies (Xindi compared to the Borg or the Dominion..fuck off)
- a shitty captain with no stand out features. Kirk had charisma and shagged, Picard was wise and insightful, Sisko was hardened, a soldier and was a demi-God. Janeway took no shit and beat the entire Delta Quadrant. Archer had shit by comparison and only owned some ugly mutt....

I think they should have had a TNG reboot, and end the show with a Nemesis-esque story.
 
I'm up to like episode ten and Archer is indeed boring and useless. His right-hand man, who I will call 'Space Sawyer,' would've made a much more interesting captain. A bit young for the role, but I can see the 'southern charmer' sort being another way to go for a memorable captain- the archetypes of 'self-absorbed douchebag' and 'bald Shakespearean actor' already being filled.

I want to bone the shit out of the Vulcan. I think her name is T-Pain.

Generic British Guy and Token Black Guy are both decent on an episode-to-episode basis, but are essentially 2D filler characters. Same with Asian Lady.

The doctor is probably the only attempt at a memorable character. Still no backstory/development, but at least he's different and likable.

I will continue watching.
 
It's one of my favorites. It's the only show where when it was over I felt like I lost some friends. For some reason I felt a connection with the characters and actors more than any other. Loved the cast. Shran was awesome.

I loved the theme too. It an innocent feel to it.

The one thing I always hated was how archer was played as always angry. Way to angry. It always ruined the feel. I really got the feeling of exploring and everything being new and wonderment and like a child finding out about life and it's new world. But then Archer ruined it constantly with his pissy attitude.

The last episode was total garbage. Just pretend it didn't happen.
 
poofyhairguy said:
I have always assumed from watching Trek that for the most part everything was a big red button (aka the computer did most of the calculations for maneuvering, weapon tracking, etc. and the button is just a "do it"). That really comes across in TNG when they have to "manually control" some ship and it looks as painful as when I try to type a 800 word essay on my iPhone.
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😀 That was a great episode, tying in an early-90s-era "I don't trust a computer" mentality.
By that point in time, the computer should have been more intelligent than anything living on the ship, and solving a simple physics problem should have been no big deal.




Paratus said:
Well the crew on board the space station can control just about everything from laptops. So touch pads/little red eraser and point and click.
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But I wouldn't think that they'd have to make any speedy maneuvers, or worry about control panels randomly exploding with the force of a small grenade. 😛


And at least a laptop has a keyboard on it.




mammador said:
It was shit IMO because:

- the producers jumped on the prequel bandwagon of Hollywood at that time
- a good premise, but poor enemies (Xindi compared to the Borg or the Dominion..fuck off)
- a shitty captain with no stand out features. Kirk had charisma and shagged, Picard was wise and insightful, Sisko was hardened, a soldier and was a demi-God. Janeway took no shit and beat the entire Delta Quadrant. Archer had shit by comparison and only owned some ugly mutt....

I think they should have had a TNG reboot, and end the show with a Nemesis-esque story.
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The Xindi weren't very tactically-minded either.

"Let's warn them about the impending planet-killing attack!"

And from an efficiency standpoint, a small Death Star isn't very good. It takes an incredible amount of energy to blow apart a planet. There are far easier ways to kill all humans.
 
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mammador said:
I think they should have had a TNG reboot, and end the show with a Nemesis-esque story.
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Nemesis . . . you mean the Star Trek movie that was so bad it derailed all future TNG movies and caused the movie franchise to go on full reboot and give us the reskinned Abrams Trek trash? That Nemesis?

There's no need to reboot any Star Trek franchise. The setting is large, the galaxy is large, the time line has room to play with. Set a TV series in the early 2400s, Star Fleet expedition to the Delta Quadrant. Set a TV series between TOS and TNG, base stories around the UFPs growing pains. Etc. There's so many routes to take without rebooting the existing series.
 
How about a series where the alternate reality device from P3R-233 causes Rodney McKay to land at Starfleet Headquarters, and he designs Asgard drives for Starfleet, letting them travel faster and go to the Delta quadrant?

Or, seriously, one based on Starfleet Academy, people like Chief O'Brien and Ezri Dax could be featured instructors.
 
Bateluer said:
Nemesis . . . you mean the Star Trek movie that was so bad it derailed all future TNG movies and caused the movie franchise to go on full reboot and give us the reskinned Abrams Trek trash? That Nemesis?

There's no need to reboot any Star Trek franchise. The setting is large, the galaxy is large, the time line has room to play with. Set a TV series in the early 2400s, Star Fleet expedition to the Delta Quadrant. Set a TV series between TOS and TNG, base stories around the UFPs growing pains. Etc. There's so many routes to take without rebooting the existing series.
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You misspelled 'Generations.'

Sorry, but that shit is terrible. It was what ruined TNG movies. First Contact was just a happy fluke that happened to be decent.

First Contact > Nemesis > Insurrection > Generations

And that's not a 'good to bad' ranking. Simple 'watchable to unwatchable.'
 
shortylickens said:
- The Nagus.
Also, any other Ferengi-centric episode is best ignored if you wish to keep from getting fed up with DS9. Trust me on this. Only hardcore fans can stomach them. Quark-centric episodes arent too bad, but the Nagus and Quarks mom and his extended family are annoying.
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Inconceivable! 😀
 
Sadly I don't think there will ever be another Star Trek TV show. At least not the type we would want. If another does come it will be some ultra dark, super action, blood and guts reboot. Insightful thought provoking episodes will be seen by the popcorn eating masses as "boring".

I did read maybe 5 years back they were thinking of doing a series set in the 29th century about a fat and bloated federation that hasn't progressed much in centuries and had let their fleet run down to the bare minimum. Then Something Happens, and the federation need to fight for their existence. Que The Hero.
 
poofyhairguy said:
Switch TNG and DS9 and I agree. Its close though. TNG peaks higher than DS9 (except for In the Pale Moonlight which is maybe the best Trek episode ever), but DS9 doesn't have anything as crappy as holodeck episodes until Vic at the end of its run.
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Yes, it's definitely up there. It worked so well since DS9 got the Dominion development perfectly. TNG did the same thing with the Borg, it created a lasting thread powerful enough to last between the scarce Borg episodes but they diluted it with the "Hugh" drone. From that point on Borg continuously got downgraded, Voyager handled Borg ok at beginning but got "personal" with last seasons. I tried to like that show but only a handful episodes are worth watching.

Enterprise was a result of the show bending over every which way demands coming from outside were made.
 
shortylickens said:
Shorty's Official And Legally Binding Deep Space Nine Episode Guide:
(Ignore at your own peril)



Season 1. . http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106145/episodes?season=1

] Could Be Ignored if trying enjoy the series: [

- Move Along Home

- The Nagus.
Also, any other Ferengi-centric episode is best ignored if you wish to keep from getting fed up with DS9. Trust me on this. Only hardcore fans can stomach them. Quark-centric episodes arent too bad, but the Nagus and Quarks mom and his extended family are annoying.
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See, now there's where opinion comes in. I found the Ferengi episodes to be good comic relief from the semi-dark show DS9 could be.

If I had to pick something I hated about DS9, it would be the holo Vic Fontain, or whatever his name was. Those jazzy episodes made me want to pull my hair out, I skipped over those parts most of the time.

Jeff7 said:
Sadly, they kept the theme song.


My preferred version.

Archer's Theme version. I don't care for the electric guitar that shows up toward the end. It seems out of place..
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Either one of those would have been worlds better. The theme is my biggest problem with Enterprise, followed very closely by the Xindi arc. That whole 2nd (3rd?) season where they explored the expanse after a devastating attack on earth took the show horribly off track, if you ask me. Made me quit watching it at one point, when it aired on TV. Later on, I rewatched all the episodes and learned that it did indeed get much better.

I also don't get why so many hate Voyager. It had it's turds, and some bad ones at that, but the show as whole was damn good, if you ask me. I'd have to go TNG>Voyager/DS9>Enterprise>TOS
 
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