Oh. So this is why Star Trek: Enterprise failed miserably...

[shortylickens]

Enterprise was so starved for ideas that it basically reused identical scripts from voyager. The episode where the crew has to go into stasis while Phlox is the only one awake and slowly goes crazy is basically identical to the Voyager episode with Neelix doing the same thing.

yeah DS9 took many plots from TNG but sometimes they were actually better.
Sometimes not.

 

[Bateluer]

Enterprise suffered from poor writing in its first two seasons. Combine it with the 'temporal civil war' BS they pulled just to unlock themselves from any future continuity, and those first two seasons were truly terrible. By Season 3 though, a new lead writer took over and turned it around, spent the third season salvaging it and closing out the time war story line. 4th season was awesome. The un-made 5th seasons, the Human-Romulan War, would have been awesome.

 

[notposting]

I don't think I've ever managed to fully watch any of the ST series, but Enterprise is probably one of the closest.

As for the opening theme...well, it's not the usual, I'll grant you that. That being said, I don't really focus on the music, but the montage of visuals themselves is spot on for this eternal sci-fi to reality optimist. I get chills watching some of the space stuff.

(as for ST series: the TOS was before my time and so dated I just can't do it. TNG hit during late elementary and jr high for me, so I liked it, but didn't get to see it all. Voyager I saw quite a bit of, but there were missed bits in there which gets annoying. Same with Enterprise. DS9 was a bunch of talking heads as far as I could tell at the time so I had nooo interest lol)

Few random sci-fi or space-y things to send chills up my spine:

Stargate SG-1, Season 7 finale, Lost City pt 2, aka epic ship battle sequence.
Robotech, Macross saga conclusion, To The Stars, when the SDF-1 takes off again for one last battle.
When We Left Earth, documentary on the American space program.

edit: then again, I love the themes for Stargate and Robotech as well...and Brisco County Jr and Firefly. So...not really sure what that means, other than I'm wasting too much time on youtube tonight.

My wife just doesn't get it, but I think she knows we are soooo moving to space if we ever get a chance. Bonus points for FTL travel and trade with other civilizations. Super bonus points if the ship looks cool and has some turrets.

 

[Ichinisan]

The blah opening theme definitely was a huge turn-off for Trek fans. They complained loudly, but there were just enough idiots saying "Noooo! I *love* the new theme!" -- so it was not immediately changed.

 

[Ichinisan]

See my bolded responses to your post.

Pretty sure TNG had a notably high budget. Just look at the set design! (For the permanent sets)

It didn't "originally air on Fox" as far as I know. It was made for syndication, so it aired on whatever local station in your area purchased it.

 

[BUTCH1]

Kirk is fine. I can see arguments for Kirk as a fictional character.

But William Shatner is terrible and everyone knows it.

Also, shorty, I will try to make use of your DS9 list. However, I think doing my first adult watchthrough of TNG* taught me that like/dislike for individual episodes is HEAVILY open to interpretation...and I consider a lot of the popular interpretations to suck. I liked plenty of low-rated episodes and hated some of the 'best.'


*most of it, at least. I jumped around a lot and have still not watched all of it. Some episodes will remain unwatched. Forever. E.g. anything with Troi's goddamn fucking mother. Why the weakest character on the show needed like five episodes based around her 10x worse mother, I cannot fathom.

"Everyone knows it"?..Not only was he the anchor for a series that for 2 seasons was awesome, (even I'll admit that the writing fell off sharply in year 3, eg, "Spocks Brain") he was in at least 4-5 motion pictures as well, think Paramount would have even made those pictures without Shatner's return? no way. And don't forget TOS was shelved for season 3 and in a once-ever event the fans themselves convinced NBC to bring it back for a third an event that has not happened since or likely ever will again.

 

[phucheneh]

None of those are arguments for William Shatner not being an obnoxious moron.

 

[JEDI]

Just started trying to watch this. Never got into Voyager or DS9. Intend to try DS9; doubt I give two shits about Voyager.

Wanted to try Enterprise for the 'different.'

Tell me they didn't keep these opening credits for the whole four seasons. Clearly someone should have stood up and said 'this show can never be a success with this horrible montage set to Meatloaf.'

Why do people miss such simple things?

Oh, also, complete lack of effort always annoys me. I hate to nitpick shit like this, but painting Vulcan eyebrows on top of human eyebrows, making some fucktard Y-brows...why? Why not just do it right?

Is this why Trek nerds hate Enterprise? Lots of this type of 'simple fix' stuff what someone just couldn't be bothered with? I normally don't nitpick based on such...but it's....bothering me.

signs of desperation for ratings:
1) when they added the Borg instead staying original
2) pushing the nudity content (nsfw)

http://spaceramblings.com/wp-content/uploads/2005/06/TPol_Jolene_Blalock_Naked_Harbinger.jpg?0c5cf9
http://come-to-nude-celebs.com/nude/JoleneBlalock/JoleneBlalock-tpol4.jpg
http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/tpolandtrip.jpg

 

[JEDI]

I think it probably had more to do with Trek being on continuously for the 18 years, and they just ran out of idea. Then again Doctor Who has been on since the dawn of time and people still go nuts over it. I've never quite understood that show.

fall 2015
Star Trek: Capt Worf

has Dome done anything notable besides playing Worf for 20+ yrs?
(altho he must be rolling in the $$$)

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Doctor Who was more understandable when it was just a British thing because Brits are crazy anyway. The more recent series catching on in the US is weird.

When was it ever just a British thing? I loved Doctor Who as a child.

 

[zinfamous]

theme was terrible, but I enjoyed the show for what it was.

T-Pol...damn.

 

[MrPickins]

This may have been posted already, but you know your theme song is bad wehn replacing it wih the one from Perfect Strangers is better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P4IlgtwHmA

 

[Paratus]

Kirk is fine. I can see arguments for Kirk as a fictional character.

But William Shatner is terrible and everyone knows it.

Also, shorty, I will try to make use of your DS9 list. However, I think doing my first adult watchthrough of TNG* taught me that like/dislike for individual episodes is HEAVILY open to interpretation...and I consider a lot of the popular interpretations to suck. I liked plenty of low-rated episodes and hated some of the 'best.'


*most of it, at least. I jumped around a lot and have still not watched all of it. Some episodes will remain unwatched. Forever. E.g. anything with Troi's goddamn fucking mother. Why the weakest character on the show needed like five episodes based around her 10x worse mother, I cannot fathom.

Shatner was awesome, everyone knows this.

This

 

[Paratus]

theme was terrible, but I enjoyed the show for what it was.

T-Pol...damn.

The song sucked. The montage wasn't bad. The opening from the mirror universe episodes in the fourth season were awesome.

A couple of months ago my wife was watching an HGTV where some rich old woman was looking to buy an island. She was dragging her friend around with th realtor and the HGTV crew.

I swear her friend was a blond T'Pol. It was vaguely creepy actually.

 

[poofyhairguy]

DS9 > TNG > TOS > Enterprise > Voyager > Star Wars

Switch TNG and DS9 and I agree. Its close though. TNG peaks higher than DS9 (except for In the Pale Moonlight which is maybe the best Trek episode ever), but DS9 doesn't have anything as crappy as holodeck episodes until Vic at the end of its run.

The problem with Enterprise is that they tried to cut the middle between modern age and the trek era and failed miserably. Part of what makes TNG/TOS amazing is the fact it has pushed and inspired real world technology- tablets, touch interfaces, voice command computer control, smartwatches, etc. Heck they both continue to inspire- someone is out there right now trying to make what is the holy grail of home entertainment- the holodeck!

But with Enterprise what they cut (buttons instead of touch interfaces is the biggest offender) were bad choices. Ever since the modern era of technology (aka when the first iPhone hit), Enterprise has been extremely dated.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Just started trying to watch this. Never got into Voyager or DS9. Intend to try DS9; doubt I give two shits about Voyager.

Wanted to try Enterprise for the 'different.'

Tell me they didn't keep these opening credits for the whole four seasons. Clearly someone should have stood up and said 'this show can never be a success with this horrible montage set to Meatloaf.'

Why do people miss such simple things?

Oh, also, complete lack of effort always annoys me. I hate to nitpick shit like this, but painting Vulcan eyebrows on top of human eyebrows, making some fucktard Y-brows...why? Why not just do it right?

Is this why Trek nerds hate Enterprise? Lots of this type of 'simple fix' stuff what someone just couldn't be bothered with? I normally don't nitpick based on such...but it's....bothering me.

The opening theme for that show was perhaps the worst opening theme song EVER!!!

That said, seasons 1-3 were decent. Season 4 was a horrible incoherent mess.

 

[JulesMaximus]

fall 2015
Star Trek: Capt Worf

has Dorn done anything notable besides playing Worf for 20+ yrs?
(altho he must be rolling in the $$$)

He was the voice of Weasel in 'I am Weasel'

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I watch the Dr occasionally. Newer ones are pretty good. I really liked Torchwood. Particularly the one about the aliens needing kids. Creepy and original plot.
I'd love a star trek show done more in tng format again.
I'd also love a series on luke Skywalker growing up while uncle Owen tries to keep him grounded and obiwan watches over him while staying unnoticed.

 

[Jeff7]

Switch TNG and DS9 and I agree. Its close though. TNG peaks higher than DS9 (except for In the Pale Moonlight which is maybe the best Trek episode ever), but DS9 doesn't have anything as crappy as holodeck episodes until Vic at the end of its run.

The problem with Enterprise is that they tried to cut the middle between modern age and the trek era and failed miserably. Part of what makes TNG/TOS amazing is the fact it has pushed and inspired real world technology- tablets, touch interfaces, voice command computer control, smartwatches, etc. Heck they both continue to inspire- someone is out there right now trying to make what is the holy grail of home entertainment- the holodeck!

But with Enterprise what they cut (buttons instead of touch interfaces is the biggest offender) were bad choices. Ever since the modern era of technology (aka when the first iPhone hit), Enterprise has been extremely dated.

I'd guess that they went with buttons to make it more like TOS. The touchscreen interfaces were done in part to make the show cheaper to make - a light-up panel with a transparency is much cheaper to make than a panel with lots of individual illuminated pushbuttons.

Though I wouldn't really want to control a ship or other sophisticated machine with touchscreens. Touchscreen keyboards or touchscreen controls in cars suck enough. (Want to watch the road and make an adjustment to the temperature? Good luck with that. Tactile feedback is so 20th century.) Now try fancy piloting moves while having to keep looking at your control panel of buttons.

 

[maniacalpha1-1]

I'd also love a series on luke Skywalker growing up while uncle Owen tries to keep him grounded and obiwan watches over him while staying unnoticed.

We need a Star Wars live action series that's 1 part Episodes 4-6 in inspiration and action, 1 part DS9/Babylon 5 in long story arc drama, 1 part game of thrones and 1 part Battlestar Galactica for brutality.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Now try fancy piloting moves while having to keep looking at your control panel of buttons.

I have always assumed from watching Trek that for the most part everything was a big red button (aka the computer did most of the calculations for maneuvering, weapon tracking, etc. and the button is just a "do it"). That really comes across in TNG when they have to "manually control" some ship and it looks as painful as when I try to type a 800 word essay on my iPhone.

 

[Paratus]

I'd guess that they went with buttons to make it more like TOS. The touchscreen interfaces were done in part to make the show cheaper to make - a light-up panel with a transparency is much cheaper to make than a panel with lots of individual illuminated pushbuttons.

Though I wouldn't really want to control a ship or other sophisticated machine with touchscreens. Touchscreen keyboards or touchscreen controls in cars suck enough. (Want to watch the road and make an adjustment to the temperature? Good luck with that. Tactile feedback is so 20th century.) Now try fancy piloting moves while having to keep looking at your control panel of buttons.

Well the crew on board the space station can control just about everything from laptops. So touch pads/little red eraser and point and click.

 

[OutHouse]

horrible montage set to Meatloaf.'

in my opinion the opening for Enterprise is the best out of the ST universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8OpsPok6iQ

 

[poofyhairguy]

in my opinion the opening for Enterprise is the best out of the ST universe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8OpsPok6iQ

 

[PliotronX]

Ive never seen a single Enterprise epi but thats a weak reason. I am on S6 of Dexter and they kept the same opening from S1.