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[jpiniero]

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 5000 "Chagall" with Zen3 architecture to feature up to 64 cores - VideoCardz.com

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 5000 “Chagall”, more SKUs, same power Wccftech gained access to the files from the Gigabyte leak, which includes new information on Ryzen Threadripper 5000 series. Yesterday the files that were obtained through hack have made their way to the web. The leaks have quickly...

videocardz.com

Don't think this is new news, but seems the Threadripper has been delayed until November.

 

[DrMrLordX]

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 5000 "Chagall" with Zen3 architecture to feature up to 64 cores - VideoCardz.com

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 5000 “Chagall”, more SKUs, same power Wccftech gained access to the files from the Gigabyte leak, which includes new information on Ryzen Threadripper 5000 series. Yesterday the files that were obtained through hack have made their way to the web. The leaks have quickly...

videocardz.com

Don't think this is new news, but seems the Threadripper has been delayed until November.

That kind of stinks. Wonder why?

 

[LightningZ71]

I think that Threadripper has been their lowest priority project of their four major families (server, hedt, desktop, APU) because it takes volume away from their most lucrative server parts. Given how capacity constrained the industry has been, I can see where they might have to prioritize server volume over HEDT/workstations.

 

[lightmanek]

I think that Threadripper has been their lowest priority project of their four major families (server, hedt, desktop, APU) because it takes volume away from their most lucrative server parts. Given how capacity constrained the industry has been, I can see where they might have to prioritize server volume over HEDT/workstations.

I hope it's because of V-Cache launch SKU ...

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Nothing like AI leading to exploding memory prices leading to people trying to HODL their AM4 CPUs leading to digging out a thread that has been dormant for 5 and a half years... but here we are.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-ryzen-chief-teases-return-of-older-zen-3-chips-to-fight-soaring-ram-prices-thats-something-were-actively-working-on-right-now

I wonder if we're getting that 5950X3D after all

 

[Thibsie]

5800x3D at a normal price would already be nice…

 

[Hulk]

I could be wrong but I think most people looking to upgrade are probably on Zen 3 or there about in terms of performance.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

I could be wrong but I think most people looking to upgrade are probably on Zen 3 or there about in terms of performance.

I'm on a 5900X. I would get a 5950X3D to help me hold on another year until Zen6 on AM5 (and non-ridiculous RAM prices). I won't get a 5800X3D because I kind of need the MT performance.

 

[jpiniero]

I'm on a 5900X. I would get a 5950X3D to help me hold on another year until Zen6 on AM5 (and non-ridiculous RAM prices). I won't get a 5800X3D because I kind of need the MT performance.

They aren't going to do the Zen 3D. Milan-X is out of production.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

They aren't going to do the Zen 3D. Milan-X is out of production.

So? If there's market demand and enough money to be made from it, they'll bring back production again.

When questioned about the rock-and-hard-place situation these users are in, McAfee stated that AMD "[is] certainly looking at everything that [it] can do to bring more supply and kind of reintroduce products back into the [AM4] ecosystem to satisfy the demands of gamers that maybe want that significant upgrade in their AM4 platform without having to rebuild their entire system", further adding that he thinks this is "definitely something [AMD is] very actively working on."

X3D is the most significant upgrade any AM4 platform user can do.

 

[gdansk]

They aren't going to do the Zen 3D. Milan-X is out of production.

Anything is possible if AMD thinks there is enough demand. But gamers overestimate their own demand and their aggregate demand.

 

[jpiniero]

So? If there's market demand and enough money to be made from it, they'll bring back production again.

There is no way they could remotely justify the volume required to even consider doing it without Milan-X.

 

[CakeMonster]

AM4 was 2016-2020. Seems a stretch and wishful thinking to think it will make an actual comeback with actually new CPU's compared to selling whatever has been warehoused or binned. You can probably get a better deal with new hardware, and even if you have to make some compromises you do get longevity.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

AM4 was 2016-2020. Seems a stretch and wishful thinking to think it will make an actual comeback with actually new CPU's compared to selling whatever has been warehoused or binned. You can probably get a better deal with new hardware, and even if you have to make some compromises you do get longevity.

The last AM4 CPU released by AMD was the 5600F just 4 months ago. The last X3D CPU released was the 5500X3D 6 months ago.
AM5 went to shelves in Q4 2022. AMD released about a dozen new AM4 models after AM5 went to shelves.

AM4 wasn't 2016-2020.

 

[CakeMonster]

I'll be charitable and say Q2 2022 with regards to it being the latest tech at the time, before AM5 released. But the 'recent' release dates of old warehoused downbins being emptied out in the market are not relevant. No new tech has been released.

 

[jpiniero]

The last AM4 CPU released by AMD was the 5600F just 4 months ago. The last X3D CPU released was the 5500X3D 6 months ago.

Those are just new bins of existing products.

 

[Schmide]

5800x3D at a normal price would already be nice…

I paid $445 at launch. Soooooo

 

[jpiniero]

I paid $445 at launch. Soooooo

That's the other thing... the people who might consider buying a new AM4 processor today would want it cheap.

 

[Hulk]

This is Intel's opening to bring back 14+++++++++++++ for some more Skylake!!!!

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[maddie]

I keep reading about expectations that the memory situation will be resolved by late this year or next year. Maybe AMD is speaking code for when the RAM situation will resolve, barring a bubble pop.

If it doesn't, then this time really is different.

I won't even expand on the billionaire elite tech tycoons and their fear of death and hope for AGI leading to an digital transhuman existence. Kurweil has been preaching for decades. This AI journey is existential for them.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

AM4 wasn't 2016-2020.

I don't bother debating the issue anymore. Because it doesn't matter when the correct technical time of death for the platform occurred. AM4 in the practical sense, is more alive in retail, than any Intel platform. Hell, the 3600 is not only still in the top 10 on Amazon U.S. it has moved up to 7th place. A CPU from the last decade, is outselling everything Intel makes, at the biggest U.S. retailer, in 2026. The 2 best-selling boards are both B550.

The investment in AM4 tech is fully amortized. It's all gravy now. For both AMD and its board partners. There is obviously more profit to be made selling the parts, so they will keep making them. Any plans they had to fully move on to AM5, have been foiled by DDR5 pricing. How it started: Just a few months ago, prognosticators were saying AM4 was finally cooked because DDR4 was almost the same price as DDR5. I showed a lot of U.S.shoppers were still picking it for new builds.

How it's going: DDR5 pricing exploded, and AM4 sales have benefitted from it. Focusing on upgraders, by talking about telemetry for how many are still on older Zen, is myopic. Shoppers are choosing it for new builds. Those shoppers are not going to pay $450 for a 5800X3D. They picked the platform because it is less expensive and gets the job done. Give them back a $250 5700X3D and they will snatch them up.

Aussie Steve just revisited vanilla Zen 3. It is aging well. 24H2 stretched its legs. My experience is RT can kneecap it in some games, in the most demanding areas. But I doubt most gamers building with it in 2026 are champing at the bit, to crank up RT.

Side note: That Zen 3 revisit demonstrated another important point. Concerns about needing core and thread counts above 6/12 for gaming, over 5 years later, turned out to be a nothingburger.

 

[Schmide]

That's the other thing... the people who might consider buying a new AM4 processor today would want it cheap.

On the other side if the coin. I got a new 5700x3d for $170

Edit: note Oct 24

 

[Ranulf]

Concerns about needing core and thread counts above 6/12 for gaming, over 5 years later, turned out to be a nothingburger.

Did Steve test the latest Doom? There are a few games last year that had 8core min's on the requirements. Though I don't think it was a big deal for even those games I can't remember off the top of my head with an 8 core min.

I also want to see more 5700g type processors.

 

[Hans Gruber]

I think a person who games is going to want 8c 16t CPU's for gaming moving forward. Even in Zen 3, you can notice everything runs a little smoother. If you compare 6c-12t to 8c-16t side by side. You can feel and see subtle differences in gameplay. It's not a deal breaker but stats show less 1% lows, a few extra frames and less frame drops. Old games that do not require much CPU performance or power have no discernable difference in performance.

I will say in defense of Zen 3, it still has legs and can play any AAA game in 2026. It's not outdated. Zen 2 is still very playable but probably worth an upgrade. Zen 5 is kind of a bust for desktop PC's. The 9800X3D chips are great when gaming but fall well behind the standard Zen 5 chips in desktop performance. Zen 5 is more efficient than Zen 4 but the performance gains are 5% or less. I am hoping that Zen 6 hits like both Zen 3 and Zen 4 did.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Did Steve test the latest Doom?

He did not. He did use it for GPUs, and how well 2x8GB is holding up currently. It is not CPU heavy enough for testing. Best guess is, the 3700X or 10th gen 8 core are the minimum for using ARC. I've seen a Ryzen 3600 play the game at 1080 ultra nightmare, smoothly above 60fps.

There are a few games last year that had 8core min's on the requirements. Though I don't think it was a big deal for even those games I can't remember off the top of my head with an 8 core min.

If a game in his suite was going to expose 6c Zen 3 vs the higher SKUs, it would be Battlefield 6.

I also want to see more 5700g type processors.

I've had a lot of fun with the Vega APUs. Still have a pro 2400g in the OG deskmini. The 5500GT was $99 or so on Amazon, at one point, but stock dried up. They have boosted the prices on all the Zen 3 SKUs that are left. 5500 is $92. Glad I got it for $55 back in October.