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[Tup3x]

I'm on a 5900X. I would get a 5950X3D to help me hold on another year until Zen6 on AM5 (and non-ridiculous RAM prices). I won't get a 5800X3D because I kind of need the MT performance.

I too would upgrade.

 

[Panino Manino]

Surprised to see some crazy expectations here.

Did you all see how demonic Leather Jacket speech has become?
And did you all also forgot that Lisa shares blood with that thing?
Some people are really hoping and fantasizing that AMD or any other tech company will ever again do something "nice" for end users and the world?
Equally as delusional as those evil specters, just give up all hope, cry and resign. This isn't a market anyone, it's a soul extracting machine.

 

[LightningZ71]

If there's a market to sell to, and available capacity at REASONABLE prices to use, they'll market a product. That's just business. So long as it doesn't hurt leading edge volume, which this likely won't, it make sense.

I just don't know TSMC's available capacity on N7/N6 or what they would charge for it. I would still love to see one last hurrah for AM4 with an N6 variant of the 5950X and 5800X3D get released. The slight efficiency improvement on that node could provide notable benefit for MT on both products.

 

[Hulk]

Surprised to see some crazy expectations here.

Did you all see how demonic Leather Jacket speech has become?
And did you all also forgot that Lisa shares blood with that thing?
Some people are really hoping and fantasizing that AMD or any other tech company will ever again do something "nice" for end users and the world?
Equally as delusional as those evil specters, just give up all hope, cry and resign. This isn't a market anyone, it's a soul extracting machine.

While I think the constant leather jacket thing is kind of strange, I don't see how his business actions are "evil?"
If you don't agree with the person behind the product, the product itself, or the pricing of the product, then just don't buy it.
It would be evil if you were forced to buy the product.

He started an amazing company. He is reaping the benefits of his brilliance and risk taking, leather jackets and all.
Am I jealous of all of his success and money? Yeah sure a little I guess. It must be amazing. But he did it, not me and he didn't force me to do or buy anything. What he did is push the technology to and past the limit of where we thought it could go.

Does it suck that a 5080 FE has an MSRP of $999 but you have to pay $1,600 for it? Yes it sucks. AMD and Intel should capitalize on that and fill the void if they can. If they can't then nVidia is the smartest (for now) and get to enjoy the fruits of their smarts.

I mean honestly there are a lot of affordable gaming gpu's. I WANT a 5090 for $500 too!

You vote with your wallet.

 

[DrMrLordX]

AMD and Intel should capitalize on that and fill the void if they can.

There's a bigger void, and AMD is looking to fill that first.

 

[Thunder 57]

He did not. He did use it for GPUs, and how well 2x8GB is holding up currently. It is not CPU heavy enough for testing. Best guess is, the 3700X or 10th gen 8 core are the minimum for using ARC. I've seen a Ryzen 3600 play the game at 1080 ultra nightmare, smoothly above 60fps.

If a game in his suite was going to expose 6c Zen 3 vs the higher SKUs, it would be Battlefield 6.

I've had a lot of fun with the Vega APUs. Still have a pro 2400g in the OG deskmini. The 5500GT was $99 or so on Amazon, at one point, but stock dried up. They have boosted the prices on all the Zen 3 SKUs that are left. 5500 is $92. Glad I got it for $55 back in October.

Ultra nightmare? Are you a sadist?

 

[eek2121]

AMD could easily sell AM4 CPUs. There are a lot of folks who built a Zen 3 system and skipped Zen 4/5. Shoot, I only upgraded to Zen 4 because the clocks for the 16 core part were insane, which improved performance in gaming as well as the work related tasks I did at the time.

I also think they could launch a Zen 5 AM4 part and it would have no issues being sold. There is a ton of AM4/DDR4 gear out there. The only issue is the BIOS updates.

 

[Thibsie]

I also think they could launch a Zen 5 AM4 part and it would have no issues being sold. There is a ton of AM4/DDR4 gear out there. The only issue is the BIOS updates.

And the expected performance loss.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Speculation about backported, or whatever, Zen4 or 5 CPUs is something that had not crossed my mind. AM4 RDNA graphics? Yes please.

The first order of business is ramping up supply of the existing CPUs. Amazon has sold through a lot of their SKUs. It is down to 3rd party, with delivery dates that look like they are sourced from other markets.

 

[bsp2020]

Wouldn't the large cache on X3D part mediate the performance loss? It would be a very interesting product if AMD can release 7800X3D CCD with
AM4 IO die. Is any body willing to bench mark 7800X3D with DDR5 3200 vs 6400? It would be interesting to find out...

 

[jpiniero]

Speculation about backported, or whatever, Zen4 or 5 CPUs is something that had not crossed my mind. AM4 RDNA graphics? Yes please.

The first order of business is ramping up supply of the existing CPUs. Amazon has sold through a lot of their SKUs. It is down to 3rd party, with delivery dates that look like they are sourced from other markets.

The unknown is how far they got in validating Zen 4 on AM4.

I think it's unlikely they do anything other than restarting regular Zen 3 production (and maybe some Milan)

 

[maddie]

Wouldn't the large cache on X3D part mediate the performance loss? It would be a very interesting product if AMD can release 7800X3D CCD with
AM4 IO die. Is any body willing to bench mark 7800X3D with DDR5 3200 vs 6400? It would be interesting to find out...

Adjusting the latency as well to match.

 

[Nothingness]

AMD could easily sell AM4 CPUs. There are a lot of folks who built a Zen 3 system and skipped Zen 4/5. Shoot, I only upgraded to Zen 4 because the clocks for the 16 core part were insane, which improved performance in gaming as well as the work related tasks I did at the time.

I also think they could launch a Zen 5 AM4 part and it would have no issues being sold. There is a ton of AM4/DDR4 gear out there. The only issue is the BIOS updates.

Yeah changing the DRAM controller so that Zen5 supports DDR4 is trivial. After all it's only copying and pasting the code from previous generation.

 

[LightningZ71]

One new CCD,, N6, 6 cores, 32MB L3 zen4 same IF interface as the Zen3 CCD, TSVs for 3d stacked cache CCD. Same IOD as zen3.

4 SKUs
5645X 6 cores, 32 MB L3.
5645X3D 6 cores+ 3D cache
5945X 12 cores, 2 x 32MB L3
5945X3D, 12 cores, + 3D cache

Might be the lowest cost option to make a product worth selling.

(I want to make it clear, this is a SUGGESTION, not a rumor)