MustangSVT
Lifer
- Oct 7, 2000
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i've been thinking about that. but what makes you think the architect is really giving Neo the choice?? he could have it set up that no matter WHICH choice neo makes it still ends up the same way.
The question is, what does NEO have to do that will allow him to STEP completely outside the rules of the architect. I think he's gonna need the frenchman to achieve that.
After watching it a second time, here's what I've come up with (I know some of this is repeat, but I'm trying to tie everything together):
- Zion is not real. So much emphasis is placed on how nothing is an accident... maybe the matrix and Zion are a series of coordinated "tests" for The One. One example that I can think of is how Morpheus gave Trinity that injection (to try to jumpstart her heart) at the same time that Neo reaches into her and gives her the heart massage in the matrix. Did Neo save her, or did the injection? There's a strange coordination of the two activities. Also, when Morpheus is sitting in his chair giving the "nothing is an accident" speech, his voice is dubbed over scenes of unfortunate "accidents" in Zion- ie. the rusty bridge in the other captains command ship breaking and killing the operators. Of course, Neo stopping the sentinels and his coma possibly point to his awareness that Zion is not the "real world".
- Neo is not human. Gr1mL0cK (i think) suggested that Neo might be a program, and the whole "he's fighting for us" thing in the Revolutions trailer could be a hint at that. It makes sense that Neo is indeed not a human being- The agents in the beginning say that "he is still only human" and Merovingian says something similar. Like everyone else, I didn't see much significance in that the first time I watched it, but now it seems like those words were put there to reaffirm the what we knew to be obvious... this adds to all the irony.
... But, what if let's say, Neo was not a program, but rather, a machine? In one of the episodes of the Animatrix, a machine was plugged into the matrix and once inside, it saw itself as a human. Maybe Keanu's robot-like acting is intentional? (I take that back... I'm giving him way too much credit
) But all kidding aside, perhaps Neo is the sixth machine that has been inserted into this Zion matrix. Each of the five previous machines failed the final test, so the system was "reloaded" or rebooted to accomodate the next machine to enter. The matrix program is completely planned out- everything happens in a scripted manner as a series of trials for the new machine.
The questions then, are... Who is putting the machines into the matrix? and why are they doing it?
First the "why": I think that it's in order to, somewhat quoting the architect- explore the various aspects of the human psyche. Namely the concepts of choice and free will, which, of course, are age-old philosophical questions. Also are the concepts of reason and love... as the architect touches on at the end of Reloaded. I know what you're thinking... "you still haven't answered the question" (hmmpf, that was quicker than the others)
Okay, so maybe it's the machines who are putting this lone machine into the matrix program in order to find out the answer to the aforementioned philosophical questions. If this is the case, then they have probably already won the war and wiped humanity off of the face of the earth, using what information they did have about the human psyche to create the simulation.
Or, maybe it's humans that are putting the machine into the matrix program in order to create true artificial intelligence- capable of love, choice, and free will.
My head hurts from trying to read what I typed... these are just some speculations- hopefully you see my reasoning
EDIT: spelling
- Zion is not real. So much emphasis is placed on how nothing is an accident... maybe the matrix and Zion are a series of coordinated "tests" for The One. One example that I can think of is how Morpheus gave Trinity that injection (to try to jumpstart her heart) at the same time that Neo reaches into her and gives her the heart massage in the matrix. Did Neo save her, or did the injection? There's a strange coordination of the two activities. Also, when Morpheus is sitting in his chair giving the "nothing is an accident" speech, his voice is dubbed over scenes of unfortunate "accidents" in Zion- ie. the rusty bridge in the other captains command ship breaking and killing the operators. Of course, Neo stopping the sentinels and his coma possibly point to his awareness that Zion is not the "real world".
- Neo is not human. Gr1mL0cK (i think) suggested that Neo might be a program, and the whole "he's fighting for us" thing in the Revolutions trailer could be a hint at that. It makes sense that Neo is indeed not a human being- The agents in the beginning say that "he is still only human" and Merovingian says something similar. Like everyone else, I didn't see much significance in that the first time I watched it, but now it seems like those words were put there to reaffirm the what we knew to be obvious... this adds to all the irony.
... But, what if let's say, Neo was not a program, but rather, a machine? In one of the episodes of the Animatrix, a machine was plugged into the matrix and once inside, it saw itself as a human. Maybe Keanu's robot-like acting is intentional? (I take that back... I'm giving him way too much credit
) But all kidding aside, perhaps Neo is the sixth machine that has been inserted into this Zion matrix. Each of the five previous machines failed the final test, so the system was "reloaded" or rebooted to accomodate the next machine to enter. The matrix program is completely planned out- everything happens in a scripted manner as a series of trials for the new machine.The questions then, are... Who is putting the machines into the matrix? and why are they doing it?
First the "why": I think that it's in order to, somewhat quoting the architect- explore the various aspects of the human psyche. Namely the concepts of choice and free will, which, of course, are age-old philosophical questions. Also are the concepts of reason and love... as the architect touches on at the end of Reloaded. I know what you're thinking... "you still haven't answered the question" (hmmpf, that was quicker than the others
)Okay, so maybe it's the machines who are putting this lone machine into the matrix program in order to find out the answer to the aforementioned philosophical questions. If this is the case, then they have probably already won the war and wiped humanity off of the face of the earth, using what information they did have about the human psyche to create the simulation.
Or, maybe it's humans that are putting the machine into the matrix program in order to create true artificial intelligence- capable of love, choice, and free will.
My head hurts from trying to read what I typed... these are just some speculations- hopefully you see my reasoning
EDIT: spelling
Hooobi
Golden Member
- Jan 26, 2001
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This movie was simply aweful. If I wasn't there with friends, I would have just gotten up and left. It is quite rare that I feel so strongly about a film. This one has to be one of the top three worst I've seen.
Save you're money... it's not even worth renting on DVD.
H
Save you're money... it's not even worth renting on DVD.
H
oh, so I guess these are much better films:
The Mummy
What Women Want
Pokemon
Charlie's Angels
Stepmom
8MM
Deep Impact
(dvds on his list)
Awesome movie. I think most of you would enjoy reading The Matrix and Philosphy by William Irwin.
I definitely have to see this movie again. I didn't fully comprehend the first Matrix until I had seen it twice on DVD.
I definitely have to see this movie again. I didn't fully comprehend the first Matrix until I had seen it twice on DVD.
Hooobi
Golden Member
- Jan 26, 2001
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Wow... did I really have all those? I haven't updated that list in forever. My collection is always in a state of flux, the only three of those left are What Women Want (haven't watched it yet), and 8mm and Deep Impact, neither of which were that great.
To be honest, I would probably rather watch Pokemon than revisit the Matrix: Reloaded. Which is too bad as I enjoyed the first Matrix, and had high hopes for the sequel.
I've seen video games with a better plot, far better (and less mindless) dialogue, and less hokey animation. I don't really want to get into a debate around it as people's taste in movies is so subjective. I was simply hoping that my comment might save some poor sap from wasting $6 on this turd.
This is a case where you can't beat them. This movie was so tightly wrapped that it's hard to create an opinion against it, seriously. They made it so well that it's near impossible to dis this movie in any aspect. I don't like that. This movie is so hyped and enjoyed that if you disliked it, you are considered a freak. I personally thought it was a cool idea but too complex for a film. It's no longer a movie but now this enigma everyone is trying to solve. I don't like that either. I watch a movie to enjoy it, not really to think about it later unless it has a moral behind it like Braveheart or something. Reloaded was too crammed if you ask me.
Hooobi
Golden Member
- Jan 26, 2001
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Well... I guess we shouldn't expect much more than such a simplistic demonstration from an obviously simple individual.
I haven't bothered to read this thread, and it may be, as idNut implies, that the weight of opinion is against me. I guess I expected a bit more than fight scenes that were premised on the concept of creating a few hundred clones of Mr. Smith (or whatever his name was) so that our hero can bounce them around for probably about 1/2 hour of cartoonish movie time, without destroying a singe one. I must admit that the fact that Neo could run around on top of their heads and push them about with a pair of daggers that apparently could not pierce added a degree of depth that I hadn't quite expected. The five minutes of jumping and whooping in the underground city was a surprising plot twist as well.
Between the keymaker turning out to be some little asian fellow in a room full of keys and the cheesy digital perspectives in the orgasm and resurrection scenes, I can imagine why an audience would be awed by this complex, action-packed flick.
Furthermore, it's clear that I am not the only disappointed by this sad sequel:
Chicago Tribune 2 stars/4 ? although the technical aspects don't disappoint, the human ones do.
Hollywood Reporter N/A ? computer technology and overkill supplant the ingenuity of the original film's action.
Los Angeles Times N/A ? simply not as satisfying as the original.
New York Times N/A ? seeks to increase the emotional stakes ? which it doesn't quite accomplish ?
Rolling Stone 3 stars/5 Loved the idea of a sequel to The Matrix, hated the hit-and-miss execution.
TV Guide 3 stars/5 ? pure, computer-generated spectacle, diverting in the moment but ultimately disposable.
Variety N/A ? certainly delivers enough thrills, kicks and cool moments to satiate geeks, fans and mere general viewers worldwide ?
Slant Magazine 1½ stars/4 ? a barrage of kick-ass special effects frequently and embarrassingly punctuated by trite philosophical thought ?
I'll be interested to see where the general opinion ends up, once all the hype has died down...
dcdomain
Diamond Member
- Jan 30, 2000
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http://www.corporatemofo.com/stories/051803matrix.htm
Some awesome explanations, although many references have been mentioned in this thread already.
Some awesome explanations, although many references have been mentioned in this thread already.
okay here are some of my thoughts that should clear things up:
-the oracle is bad, DUH! remember when they were talking about whether neo could trust her or not, well obviously neo chose wrong. the oracle...the keymaker..they are all fake exiles, they are there only to lead the "anomalies" (neo and the 5 others) to the architect and lead them to make the choice to "save" the human race..however neo chooses differently
-the reason they want neo to save the human race is, they dont want any resistance..and the only significant resistance is the resistance that could and will come from neo, they know he will become a force outside of the matrix as well, as now neo really can't affect too much of the matrix.
-when neo stopped the sentinels it was because he realized all the truths of the world, that the prophecy was all a lie etc. because of this he truly "freed his mind." human beings only use like 3% of our brains our something like that, if we could use all of it, like neo can do now, whats stopping us from doing stuff like even flying...also i'm not quite sure why he's in a coma, maybe because it was just such a rush to have freed his mind and experienced just how much he really can do that it overwhelmed him and put him in a coma..........................another way to think about this is that in the first matrix, neo freed his mind from the computer program that was the matrix. in a way the world he is living in now is just a computer program, because the machines have been manipulating zion to just feed them and its just a continiuin cycle, like the matrix. so now, neo has again freed his mind from yet another machine program
-neo also cannot just revive everyone if they all die in zion. the reason he is able to revive trinity is because of LOVE. their love is so strong, it can revive. just like trinity did to neo in the first matrix (kiss...and remember she said "i guess we're even now")
-why the machines want neo to open the door to "save" the human race is because this is how they survive. like human beings rely on machines, machines rely on us. they NEED real human beings to create life and blah blah blah. think about it, if everyone is hooked up to the matrix, they really can't make new life as their real bodies are just lying on beds hooked up. so to survive, the machines need to keep on doing this process of capturing a new generation of humans to keep on fueling themselves. i'm not to sure about this one however, and it does bring up a lot of questions.
-the oracle is bad, DUH! remember when they were talking about whether neo could trust her or not, well obviously neo chose wrong. the oracle...the keymaker..they are all fake exiles, they are there only to lead the "anomalies" (neo and the 5 others) to the architect and lead them to make the choice to "save" the human race..however neo chooses differently
-the reason they want neo to save the human race is, they dont want any resistance..and the only significant resistance is the resistance that could and will come from neo, they know he will become a force outside of the matrix as well, as now neo really can't affect too much of the matrix.
-when neo stopped the sentinels it was because he realized all the truths of the world, that the prophecy was all a lie etc. because of this he truly "freed his mind." human beings only use like 3% of our brains our something like that, if we could use all of it, like neo can do now, whats stopping us from doing stuff like even flying...also i'm not quite sure why he's in a coma, maybe because it was just such a rush to have freed his mind and experienced just how much he really can do that it overwhelmed him and put him in a coma..........................another way to think about this is that in the first matrix, neo freed his mind from the computer program that was the matrix. in a way the world he is living in now is just a computer program, because the machines have been manipulating zion to just feed them and its just a continiuin cycle, like the matrix. so now, neo has again freed his mind from yet another machine program
-neo also cannot just revive everyone if they all die in zion. the reason he is able to revive trinity is because of LOVE. their love is so strong, it can revive. just like trinity did to neo in the first matrix (kiss...and remember she said "i guess we're even now")
-why the machines want neo to open the door to "save" the human race is because this is how they survive. like human beings rely on machines, machines rely on us. they NEED real human beings to create life and blah blah blah. think about it, if everyone is hooked up to the matrix, they really can't make new life as their real bodies are just lying on beds hooked up. so to survive, the machines need to keep on doing this process of capturing a new generation of humans to keep on fueling themselves. i'm not to sure about this one however, and it does bring up a lot of questions.
I didn't read all the 5XX posts in this thread, but I read a bunch of them...
My thoughts are as follows:
The 'one' is a machine - Yes, that is right, I think Neo is a machine, or at least part-machine, more than others who are 'rescued'. Zion is in fact in the real world, and not a second-level of the Matrix.
Bane was plugged into the Matrix, and what was returned to Bane's body contained a Smith "virus" that is controlling his thoughts/actions.
Zion has not been destroyed, the 5 ships that were rendered powerless by the EMP (by Bane?) were destroyed and Bane was left as the only survivor (the sentinels could sense the machine virus in him?).
The 'one' is a machine that is supposed to return to the source code - the code will then be modified to make the takeover by a true 'anomoly' less likely. The whole sherade of rebuilding Zion is merely to keep the 'one' around long enough to learn, so its return to the source code will be worthwhile.
I think two things will affect the outcome - the fact that Neo has experienced love, which the other "one's" apparently did not, may confuse the "source" if he does in fact return to save Zion.
Smith's mutation may also backfire and help destroy the machines.
Can't wait! I am pissed I missed the special sneak preview at the end!!!!!! What did it show?!!?!?
My thoughts are as follows:
The 'one' is a machine - Yes, that is right, I think Neo is a machine, or at least part-machine, more than others who are 'rescued'. Zion is in fact in the real world, and not a second-level of the Matrix.
Bane was plugged into the Matrix, and what was returned to Bane's body contained a Smith "virus" that is controlling his thoughts/actions.
Zion has not been destroyed, the 5 ships that were rendered powerless by the EMP (by Bane?) were destroyed and Bane was left as the only survivor (the sentinels could sense the machine virus in him?).
The 'one' is a machine that is supposed to return to the source code - the code will then be modified to make the takeover by a true 'anomoly' less likely. The whole sherade of rebuilding Zion is merely to keep the 'one' around long enough to learn, so its return to the source code will be worthwhile.
I think two things will affect the outcome - the fact that Neo has experienced love, which the other "one's" apparently did not, may confuse the "source" if he does in fact return to save Zion.
Smith's mutation may also backfire and help destroy the machines.
Can't wait! I am pissed I missed the special sneak preview at the end!!!!!! What did it show?!!?!?
agents are trying to "delete" the keymaker bc he is an "exile" or rogue program that seems to be helping the rebel cause
wasted??!?! lol, the first time i saw this thread, i read it for 3 hrs (interrupted by some IMs) and was ENLIGHTENED....this thread is the sole reason why i registered for this forum thing haha ... turning into a nerrrrrrd
i thot the council scene was pretty cool,...the way they talked and stuff...much more interesting too, and done a lot better than nething with queen amidala in it =)
i don't know if anyone mentioned this yet but my friend brought up an interesting point about the strong connection between neo and agent smith...
you recall in the preview to matrix revolutions where neo and agent smith seems to be having their final battle while the hundreds of other duplicate smiths stand there watching? it could very well possibly be that a part of neo is in each and every one of those smiths too!
so if he beats smiths arse maybe neo becomes uber strong!
you recall in the preview to matrix revolutions where neo and agent smith seems to be having their final battle while the hundreds of other duplicate smiths stand there watching? it could very well possibly be that a part of neo is in each and every one of those smiths too!
so if he beats smiths arse maybe neo becomes uber strong!
alkemyst
No Lifer
- Feb 13, 2001
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So many points brought up and I have yet to see the animatrix (which is key to understanding alot)...
I am going to mention points followed by a colon and my take.
The Bible: people are just pulling on their own sense of relatativity....a muslin could make the same comparison or a jewish person or just about any religious person (a God(s), a son of god(s) and an anti-god/christ/devil, is echoed throughout religions)....the thing is the references to religion goes much deeper and across many types...which if you realize all the commonalities in all religions, it may point to something 'real' in them.
cgi: give me a break, they are definitely pushing the boundaries here, it's been almost impossible to create a human-like human in the past and here we are with a 100 or so, pretty believable on screen...so what if his face looked fake in some scenes...this is a _movie_, not reality.
choice you already made the choice you are here now to understand why: Neo has already passed through this (much like a program that executed and has been re-run, and also like a program that has been run the programmer cannot stop a 'bad part' without stopping the whole program. He has to rewrite a section and run it as a whole....and recursion) and now is coming back to see why.
persephone lack of love: she has forgotten love since the Mergovian has forgotten her....a mother loving her own son in a sexual matter has happened in mythology so it would fit right in with the film's broad gathering of several religions.
spoon, there is no spoon: this can be taken two ways: there is no spoon since it's all code, or there is a spoon now since you are now outside the code.
machines, why not destroy the matrix: They are part of it, they 'want' to live too. This was sort of explained by the Councelor to Neo describing the machines that keep them alive...they can stop them but by stopping them they kill themselves.
Smith: possibly a virus, code outside the code and is now self-realizing and wants to live....he also takes over other agents (they are not his allies obviously). Also the 'twins' also are attacked/attack agents.
13th floor and other movies being similar: this is just people who want to bitch...it's quite possible these were copies of early matrix scripts (a lot of blockbusters get copied when the scripts get leaked)...The Ring is said to be a ripoff of Feardotcom, but Fear was just rushed to print in the USA, The Ring is an old movie from Japan which was publicly slated for a USA release...the Feardotcom team knew it had the details of a blockbuster so stole the storyline in an abstract sort of way. The Ring/Ring Zero/Ringu/Et al have been around a long time.
Merovingians: all I can say is research: Hiram's Key, 2112, the Holy Grail, Templars, Oak Island, King Arthur, Jesus, Le Serpant Rouge, Le Chateau Rennes, Pres. Bush, Kennedy, Hitler, Rothchilds, Princess Diana and why Egyptians may have been a sign, NWO, Masonics, Skull & Bones, Atlantis, The Emerald Tablets (even if you don't believe the words, look into the scientific make up of the tablets), The Last Supper Painting (notice a disembodied hand with a dagger and DaVinci painting himself sitting with the 'traitors', an act at the time which could have had him executed)....much much more....
no plot all action: People that say this are usually too stupid to understand the movie or simply fans of a competing movie.
the 'one': Perhaps Smith and Neo are two parts of the same being.
programs moding programs: This has been mentioned, and even Neo exhibited it (the abnomality)...plus Neo was recruited since he was a hacker...
two blacks having a white baby, two whites having a black baby (not my choice of terms since white people aren't white and black people aren't black): This is quite possible, if you understand genetics you will realize it's not a two way street and many times two blue = blue, a brown and blue = brown, and two brown = blue (simplification)
1%: Zion holds the 'problems', perhaps each reboot zion gets smaller with hopes that soon it's not needed (a special program to hold the bad 'but good' data)
orgys vs battle: This whole thing is well mentioned....16 women and 7 men are to rebuild 'Zion'....I would believe it would need to be a drunken / drugged / music fueled orgy to get this done as chances are you may end up possibly sleeping with your sister...but it's for the good of mankind.... [On a sidenote in genetics, this is line breeding and having children with a 1st cousin / sibling does not always equal 3 armed progeny....it does amplify recessive traits which can be good or bad....many bad things are recessive though and why line breeding/sibling sex is a bad thing, in dogs and horses it's often practiced.]
comas: like the people in the matrix are, when you are outside your own world and in a 'matrix' you are in a coma. Maybe Neo and Smith are in another world, however no 'plug' is being used on them.
deleting everything: Well deleting doesn't erase things......you have to think in computer language throughout this whole movie, there are constructs, applications, bugs, viruses....I think the Wach. Bros were trying to think of everything we think is real is really just an Application. They really need to rewrite the section, not just delete it.
if there is only one matrix or if there is only two: the matrix and zion, what world did neo live in...more matrixes are apparent.
reinsert the code....remove the problems: debugging is a definite thing that Neo's purpose is...however he discovered Love.
stuff being stupid and not real: It's a movie....it's not supposed to be based on REALITY.
recursion: I think there is some of it going on in the movie...you could have several levels with the topmost being much further along in execution...however once the stop state is reached, it's instantly recursed throughout the application.
cliche love conquers all: Neo discovers love and love is the answer...however as some have mentioned, in the first Matrix, it's mentioned that Trinity's affection is known...however this can also be recursion (top level further along than a lower level).
I am going to mention points followed by a colon and my take.
The Bible: people are just pulling on their own sense of relatativity....a muslin could make the same comparison or a jewish person or just about any religious person (a God(s), a son of god(s) and an anti-god/christ/devil, is echoed throughout religions)....the thing is the references to religion goes much deeper and across many types...which if you realize all the commonalities in all religions, it may point to something 'real' in them.
cgi: give me a break, they are definitely pushing the boundaries here, it's been almost impossible to create a human-like human in the past and here we are with a 100 or so, pretty believable on screen...so what if his face looked fake in some scenes...this is a _movie_, not reality.
choice you already made the choice you are here now to understand why: Neo has already passed through this (much like a program that executed and has been re-run, and also like a program that has been run the programmer cannot stop a 'bad part' without stopping the whole program. He has to rewrite a section and run it as a whole....and recursion) and now is coming back to see why.
persephone lack of love: she has forgotten love since the Mergovian has forgotten her....a mother loving her own son in a sexual matter has happened in mythology so it would fit right in with the film's broad gathering of several religions.
spoon, there is no spoon: this can be taken two ways: there is no spoon since it's all code, or there is a spoon now since you are now outside the code.
machines, why not destroy the matrix: They are part of it, they 'want' to live too. This was sort of explained by the Councelor to Neo describing the machines that keep them alive...they can stop them but by stopping them they kill themselves.
Smith: possibly a virus, code outside the code and is now self-realizing and wants to live....he also takes over other agents (they are not his allies obviously). Also the 'twins' also are attacked/attack agents.
13th floor and other movies being similar: this is just people who want to bitch...it's quite possible these were copies of early matrix scripts (a lot of blockbusters get copied when the scripts get leaked)...The Ring is said to be a ripoff of Feardotcom, but Fear was just rushed to print in the USA, The Ring is an old movie from Japan which was publicly slated for a USA release...the Feardotcom team knew it had the details of a blockbuster so stole the storyline in an abstract sort of way. The Ring/Ring Zero/Ringu/Et al have been around a long time.
Merovingians: all I can say is research: Hiram's Key, 2112, the Holy Grail, Templars, Oak Island, King Arthur, Jesus, Le Serpant Rouge, Le Chateau Rennes, Pres. Bush, Kennedy, Hitler, Rothchilds, Princess Diana and why Egyptians may have been a sign, NWO, Masonics, Skull & Bones, Atlantis, The Emerald Tablets (even if you don't believe the words, look into the scientific make up of the tablets), The Last Supper Painting (notice a disembodied hand with a dagger and DaVinci painting himself sitting with the 'traitors', an act at the time which could have had him executed)....much much more....
no plot all action: People that say this are usually too stupid to understand the movie or simply fans of a competing movie.
the 'one': Perhaps Smith and Neo are two parts of the same being.
programs moding programs: This has been mentioned, and even Neo exhibited it (the abnomality)...plus Neo was recruited since he was a hacker...
two blacks having a white baby, two whites having a black baby (not my choice of terms since white people aren't white and black people aren't black): This is quite possible, if you understand genetics you will realize it's not a two way street and many times two blue = blue, a brown and blue = brown, and two brown = blue (simplification)
1%: Zion holds the 'problems', perhaps each reboot zion gets smaller with hopes that soon it's not needed (a special program to hold the bad 'but good' data)
orgys vs battle: This whole thing is well mentioned....16 women and 7 men are to rebuild 'Zion'....I would believe it would need to be a drunken / drugged / music fueled orgy to get this done as chances are you may end up possibly sleeping with your sister...but it's for the good of mankind.... [On a sidenote in genetics, this is line breeding and having children with a 1st cousin / sibling does not always equal 3 armed progeny....it does amplify recessive traits which can be good or bad....many bad things are recessive though and why line breeding/sibling sex is a bad thing, in dogs and horses it's often practiced.]
comas: like the people in the matrix are, when you are outside your own world and in a 'matrix' you are in a coma. Maybe Neo and Smith are in another world, however no 'plug' is being used on them.
deleting everything: Well deleting doesn't erase things......you have to think in computer language throughout this whole movie, there are constructs, applications, bugs, viruses....I think the Wach. Bros were trying to think of everything we think is real is really just an Application. They really need to rewrite the section, not just delete it.
if there is only one matrix or if there is only two: the matrix and zion, what world did neo live in...more matrixes are apparent.
reinsert the code....remove the problems: debugging is a definite thing that Neo's purpose is...however he discovered Love.
stuff being stupid and not real: It's a movie....it's not supposed to be based on REALITY.
recursion: I think there is some of it going on in the movie...you could have several levels with the topmost being much further along in execution...however once the stop state is reached, it's instantly recursed throughout the application.
cliche love conquers all: Neo discovers love and love is the answer...however as some have mentioned, in the first Matrix, it's mentioned that Trinity's affection is known...however this can also be recursion (top level further along than a lower level).
lol! hey his collection IS pretty good, save for those movies u listed....and 6 days 7 nights....maybe he got them for free....i did. lol
wow great points, and yes, ppl who just come up to me and say 'that movie sucked, i dint get it'...well duh, cuz ur stupid or too lazy/stupid to TRY to understand it, thas why u dont get it.
i have a Preview, i'm not sure if it's the one they showed in the theatre, but i have it saved on my HD if you want it.
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