*** OFFICIAL MATRIX RELOADED AFTERMATH THREAD *** spoilers

[bigdog1218]

I've read a lot of posts in this thread but not all of them, just thought I'd throw in some ideas i've pieced together from what i've read.

There are two things that make me believe that at the begining of the movie Zion was the real world.

1. When the guy that agent smith infected was waiting for neo, we saw him cutting his hand. I believe this was agent smiths first taste of what human pain felt like. It obviously fascinated him and it had his total concentration before neo came walking by. I also believe that this is going to fuel the agent into causing pain to others because he now knows what it feels like for humans. If it was just another matrix cutting his own hand wouldn't even come into play into the agents mind because he knows what the end result would be.

2. The architect told neo that they were becoming efficient in destroying Zion. If Zion was a matrix destroying it would be easy and have no need for extensive force. You could just have some agents pop in that white room where all the defenses were controlled, set off some emps disabling the ships, open all the gates in come a few hundred sentinels killing all the defenseless people. But instead they are sending a sentinel for every man woman and child to ensure that none of them are missed in their plans for rebuilding Zion.

Now when neo stop the sentinals thats a different story, perhaps neo was reloaded into a new matrix and he was able to figure it out and hit some sort of safety device who knows cause the more I think of it the more it could go in several directions

 

[dcdomain]

Originally posted by: touchmyichi
What I would like to know is what ever happened to tank? He was one of the main characters in the first film and he just suddenly died in this one with no explaination at all..... Man tank was so much cooler than the new nebacanezzar operator.

He was causing some trouble on the set and was replaced. A news article with some explanations.

What happened to Tank, the original operator of Morpheus' ship?

Though the character survived the first film (one of only four major humans to do so), the actor who played him didn't have such luck. Marcus Chong was not invited back for the sequels after he had a falling out with the producers. Harold Perrineau ("Oz") took his place behind the controls, playing Link, Tank's brother-in-law.

 

[Glitchny]

Originally posted by: MovieWhore
watched it for a 3rd time, and picked up some more stuff:

btw, ive only read up to page 8, so if this is covered since then, im sorry

1) the traitor (smith human form) is called BANE, which translates to "RUIN"

2) there is definitely some significant tension between the oracle and the merovingian, which may hint at two CLEAR, different sides of the machines in the war (those that are trying to liberate the humans vs. those that enslaving them)....or at least that there are 2 non-agreeing sides....or that there are 2 different machine sides with 2 different goals......

neway,
a) oracle CLEARLY states that it comes down to the matter of CHOICE, and that THAT is the problem; however, the merovingian VEHEMENTLY states that "no, it is NOT choice" and that "choice is created between those with power and those without"..........so, these two programs (oracle & merovingian) have 2 directly opposing views.....PLUS, merovingian instructs neo to "go back to ur fortune teller and tell her that her time is almost up"........

3) the humans think that the year is around 2200, but bc the architect sez that is currently the 5th matrix and zion has been destroyed (and rebuilt) 5 times....the current humans think that the war has been going on for the last 100 years (morpheus sez this twice in the last 2 movies) when in fact it looks more like it's been going on for the last 600 years....so the year is more like 2600.

4) the architect kept saying that "the one" was "DESIGNED" to do this and "DESIGNED" to do that. this perhaps hints that neo is created or partially created with different code by the machines

5) architect sez that when neo came into the white room, it was so that his code could be "temporarily disseminated" or some**** like that....dunno what that means cuz his wording was weird, but i think neo is changed when he goes to that room....his code is changed....something is altered in neo..... this supports how neo afterwards sez "something's different" and may explain why he feels a connection to the sentinels.... it seems like neo is partly machine now.... this ALSO explains the theory that the EMP fried the sentinels and put neo in a coma (and that neo did not stop the sentinels...it was simply coincidence)....btw, that ship that saved the nebachanezzar's crew was not niobe's ship, the logos, as i had thot before...it was some other ship called "heaven" or something that started with an H

6) architect mentioned something about how "the one" is created or allowed to be developed in each matrix in order to study the human psyche and thusly expose the flaws of the matrix so that the matrix can be upgraded and remade as a better version

7) prophecy: at the end of reloaded, they think that the prophecy is a lie bc morpheus sez "when the one reaches the source, the war will be over" and neo sez that it was all a lie bc he supposedly had come back from the architect's room with all that info....HOWEVER, neo did not listen carefully (or three times as i did haha)....the architect sed that the door to neo's right leads to "the source and the salvation of zion"...... so that means that neo has NOT been to the source yet and thus means that the oracle's prophecy hasnt been tested yet.... so that means that there is room for revolutions to have neo go to the source and see if the war will really end

8) i dint notice this before, but when the merovingian goes to the bathroom (the ladies room) and gets a BJ, it's from the cake-eating white-dressed woman that orgasmed in her seat earlier.... that dint connect before to me.... also, notice that monica belluci uses the men's bathroom as a meeting place for morpheus, trinity, and neo cuz she knows that the merovingian definitely wont be there haha

9) i noticed a mistake: when neo fights seraph (the jet li substitute), and theyre sparring on the tables, the cups fall off the table, but then u see them back on the table, then they disappear again

alot of good points, watching the animatrix clears up some things about the good vs bad machines... specifically the matriculation short, which is the last one. and the animatrix also makes u want to ask more questions. I also agree on how neo isnt in a seperate matrix but just he has somehow bonded with the machines since the architect said that he was changed yet remained human. And the ship was the Hammer.. and if it was an EMP the ship would have shut down so it wouldnt have been an EMP

Also the Kid is explained in the Animatrix, not sure if he is going to ahve a bigger role in the second movie but he may since he is kinda... well really unique.

 

[johneetrash]

okay.. the twins had an objective during hte freeway scene, and that was to get the keymaker.
the agents had an objective, and it was to get the keymaker too, right? but they're clearly on different sides because the twins and the agents try to attack each other when one of hte twins is in the car and one agent is on top of the roof.

i know why the twins needed the keymaker (to get him back to that french place and lock him up right?) but what did the agents need him?

also, i think it's important that neo is a part of smith, and vise versa. so what exactly are they sharing? does smith have some control (or input or something) towards machines? smith just happened to be the only survivor during the counter attack, meaning he had to have controlled the sentinels or had them spare him or something.. so if smith had some input/connection to the machines, maybe thats what neo and smith share, and thats how he could stop the sentinels in the real world?

and in the next scene, neo is unconscious, but so is smith. coincidence?

 

[Glitchny]

Originally posted by: johneetrash
okay.. the twins had an objective during hte freeway scene, and that was to get the keymaker.
the agents had an objective, and it was to get the keymaker too, right? but they're clearly on different sides because the twins and the agents try to attack each other when one of hte twins is in the car and one agent is on top of the roof.

i know why the twins needed the keymaker (to get him back to that french place and lock him up right?) but what did the agents need him?

also, i think it's important that neo is a part of smith, and vise versa. so what exactly are they sharing? does smith have some control (or input or something) towards machines? smith just happened to be the only survivor during the counter attack, meaning he had to have controlled the sentinels or had them spare him or something.. so if smith had some input/connection to the machines, maybe thats what neo and smith share, and thats how he could stop the sentinels in the real world?

and in the next scene, neo is unconscious, but so is smith. coincidence?

i agree with u tottaly thats my theory as well (the thing with smith and neo) and becasue 2 matrix's would be lame. The agents wanted the keymaker to make sure neo couldnt go through the door at the end, and therfore would never be allowed to choose to go back to the source or to save trinity and in turn kill all the humans. i FOR ONE DO NOT THINK THAT THE ARCHITECT WAS LYING ABOUT THEM ALL DYING

 

[gotsmack]

I'm sorry if it has been answered already but:

Why didn't Neo kill the architect?

and

why doesn't Neo carry around a sword and cut up anyone who gets in his way? Beating the agents with his fist doesn't do anything,

 

[Tab]

This thread made me even more confused. Maybe they really are in the *real world* and he figures out how to communicate with the machines? That would have been funny if he spoke in dial-tones or something...

The rave was too long, I enjoyed the fight senses for the most part. However, it left alot of questions unanswered.

 

[RIGorous1]

I just got back from the movie and I have to say it!

"I'm home! Where's my PUS...?"

 

[dcdomain]

The agents want to kill the keymaker because he is obsolete code. =T.

 

[Krk3561]

Wow, I just wasted an hour reading this thread.

 

[Glitchny]

Originally posted by: dcdomain
The agents want to kill the keymaker because he is obsolete code. =T.

and so that neo cant get into the source and reload it, im sure that they would rather jsut kill him and then wait for the next anomoly

 

[Glitchny]

Originally posted by: Tabb
This thread made me even more confused. Maybe they really are in the *real world* and he figures out how to communicate with the machines? That would have been funny if he spoke in dial-tones or something...

The rave was too long, I enjoyed the fight senses for the most part. However, it left alot of questions unanswered.

It would be odd if he spoke in dial tones, and i think he can communicate with them. The animatrix sheds some light on that communication. Also i hope they resolve all the loose ends in the 3rd movie, and i think the kid may be a little more important that we think, at least i hope so the animatrix seemed like it could be

 

[SilverThief]

Pretty damn good movie. Always a pleasure watching Trinity doing her thang in that black rubber suit.

Anybody notice who the new operator of the Nebecheneezer was?..... one of the original Power Rangers.
I'm sure I wasnt the only one to notice, and more than likely its been mentioned in this thread..but hell, I'm not going to read through all these posts.

Went to the 10:15am showing here in Corpus Christi, all total there was probably 12 people in the theater.

 

[Gage]

Did anyone else notice how many times the word ONE was written in the playground when Neo talked to the Oracle and fought the Smiths. I counted at least 3 times. There was so much going on I could have missed some more. It was written twice in graffitti on the wall and once was written on a sign behind the playground fence.

Also, I found it interesting that the architec said that Neo would be responsible for the death of every human being "in this world" Are there more humans in another world??

I am of the opinion that Zion is another part of the Matrix and that Morpheus is a control program much like the agents in the main matrix. I see a lot of parrallels in his reaction to the loss of his dream of the end of the matrix and the loss of Smith's purpose, to be rid of Neo.

 

[wviperw]

Originally posted by: SilverThief
Pretty damn good movie. Always a pleasure watching Trinity doing her thang in that black rubber suit.

Anybody notice who the new operator of the Nebecheneezer was?..... one of the original Power Rangers.
I'm sure I wasnt the only one to notice, and more than likely its been mentioned in this thread..but hell, I'm not going to read through all these posts.

Went to the 10:15am showing here in Corpus Christi, all total there was probably 12 people in the theater.

No, you're the first one to mention anything about Link being a Power Ranger. Good ole' "where's my pus--" Link is the Black Ranger eh?

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Oh, and Neo has a part of Smith in him now, right? So do you think Neo will have Smith's babies in Revolutions and if so, what do you think their names will be? .... Bwahahaha... ha... ha......

Ok, I'll stop.

 

[johneetrash]

it wasnt the black power ranger.. i thought that too, but it's mercucio (or wutever) from Romeo and Juliet with leo dicap. im pretty sure they're not hte same guy

 

[Glitchny]

Originally posted by: Gage
Did anyone else notice how many times the word ONE was written in the playground when Neo talked to the Oracle and fought the Smiths. I counted at least 3 times. There was so much going on I could have missed some more. It was written twice in graffitti on the wall and once was written on a sign behind the playground fence.

Also, I found it interesting that the architec said that Neo would be responsible for the death of every human being "in this world" Are there more humans in another world??

I am of the opinion that Zion is another part of the Matrix and that Morpheus is a control program much like the agents in the main matrix. I see a lot of parrallels in his reaction to the loss of his dream of the end of the matrix and the loss of Smith's purpose, to be rid of Neo.

I think u are just reading too much into the words "in this world" cause it is a common phrase like every human in this world will die in a necular war... doesnt mean there is another world its just kinda giving more emphasis to the world and the fact that it will happen to you not somewhere else... u know what im trying to say?

 

[Gage]

Gotcha.

But are you sure??? LOL

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: SilverThief
Pretty damn good movie. Always a pleasure watching Trinity doing her thang in that black rubber suit.

Anybody notice who the new operator of the Nebecheneezer was?..... one of the original Power Rangers.
I'm sure I wasnt the only one to notice, and more than likely its been mentioned in this thread..but hell, I'm not going to read through all these posts.

Went to the 10:15am showing here in Corpus Christi, all total there was probably 12 people in the theater.

According to the IMDB, the op wasn't the original Power Ranger(Walter Jones). The movie credits the character, Link, as being done by Harold Perrineau Jr.

 

[SilverThief]

Well crap....thats the last time I listen to my wife.

Honestly, she's the one who told me it was the black power ranger.

 

[BunLengthHotDog]

mmmhmmm, you Power Ranger watching fool

 

[iNub]

Because now, there is a spoon.

"This is the really real world..."

 

[MustangSVT]

i liked it

was fun.

im sure after about 20 years.. or less, they will add more things and "tweak" it like star wars .

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: gwlam12
wait wait, so can someone tell me how you guys know that the survivor was smith?? i mean, neo dreamt that smith copied himself and picked up the phone...but thats all i know.

and i would like some more interaction between smith and the agents, like, agents trying to stop smith.

and if neo was able to destroy smith in the original, then why couldnt he do that to anyone else?

the way i saw that was that it really happened (the thing they had that was important was the oracle thing that the dude gives neo) and that neo woke up because he felt a rift in the matrix or the real world (probably real world). i think that scene was meant to really happen, not be a dream sequence.

 

[idNut]

Why do complex stories always have to have some stupid council that approves everything?