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SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: Anubis
i agree speed you are going overboard, I think he shoudl be fined but thats it. no susp needed, it was stupid make him cough up some $$$$ leave it be

I can't believe I am reading this. What he did was not illegal. He did not hurt anyone, he did not incite any fights, he did not put anyone in danger. If you want to fine him for swatting at a ball, you might as well fine Cabrera for knocking down Cairo unnecessarily.
So he didn't dislocate any fingers on Arroyo? He knocked his glove clear off the man's hand, how is that not trying to hurt someone maliciously?
 

geecee

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: ThePresence
OMFGPRAISETHELORD!
Just spoke to my friend's GF. She said if she feels tommorow the same way she feels right now she probably will not go!
STAY WITH ME LORD OF ALL THAT IS SICK!

I am soooo pumped right now!
!$#!^$#@%# lucky $@#!#@!!!! How much????!!!

He didn't give me a number, but it's between friends. If it happens, I'm sure we will work something out. :)

That's awesome for you man! :) I got to go to Game 1 of the Subway Series back in 2000 and some playoff games against Baltimore in the mid/late 90s(?? - been a while). There's nothing like "The House That Ruth Built" at playoff time. Having that pumped crowd around you is incredible as well.

EDIT: Updated my recollections. Getting old HA!
 

bigj3347

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
ARod should be suspended and fined for Game 7 for his "malicious and unsportsmanlike" (right out of the rulebook read on Baseball Tonight) swing at Bronson Arroyo's arm.

Shut the hell up with this already. You are a complete moron. How about Cabrera intentionally knocking down Cairo last night? You want to talk "unsportsmanlike"? I have 18 hitbatsmen from the Yankees that can tell you unsportsman like.
I didn't see the Cairo/Cabrera incident. When's the last time you saw someone take a malicious swipe at someone with the ball when they're imminently going to be out? Wow, a hitter got HBP, that happens every night. Here's a quarter, call someone who cares!

Even the Boston fans in this forum agree that your a moron. Go to sleep little boy.
Keep patting Arod on the back, classless Yankee fan. If you were at the game, you would have thrown debris on the field. They brought out the cops in riot gear because of classless fans such as yourself. Keep praising ARod, your true colors of sportsmanship are showing.

Who cares, as long as the right call was made, which it clearly was on both the Bellhorn HR and the ARod interference, it doesn't matter. There's no denying that ARod purposely swiped at the ball to get it out of Arroyo's glove. All I gotta say is Schilling is MY DADDY.
 

RedPickle

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: virtueixi
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
ARod should be suspended and fined for Game 7 for his "malicious and unsportsmanlike" (right out of the rulebook read on Baseball Tonight) swing at Bronson Arroyo's arm.

You do know that if it was an accident, it would have been ruled a fair call. So hypothetically, if a person purposly steps into a baseball to get walked, he should also get suspended?

Not to mention that Arod got called out on an interference call. So anyone that interferes from now on is malicious and unsportsmanlike. Right. If anything I give a big hand to Arod for displaying the kind of heart the Yankees need. They need to do anything they can to win against a very good Boston team. Arod is doing everything he can to help the team win. In case you didnt hear the interview, the umps told Arod to run over Arroyo next time instead of swatting the ball out because that wouldn't be interference. Is that better for you?
Arroyo wasn't in the baseline, and if Arod tries to run over his glove that's in the baseline, then that's perfectly within the rules.

Please refer to this picture clearly showing that Arroyo is on the baseline.
http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/mlb/2004/1019/photo/a_rodriguez_ft.jpg
Easy, Mientkavicz was in the baseline, yes. So if ARod bowled him over it would have been legal. Arroyo was running behind Arod and coming from the side, as your pic shows. If Arod has already run past Arroyo, then Arroyo is allowed to have any body part in the baseline, as your pic shows and you are asking.

I was assuming you were watching the game. I guess I am wrong because if you did you would realize that Arroyo arrived on the basepath at the same time Arod did. Arod even moved over to the right to avoid the tag, so yes, instead of going through Arroyo he went around.
 

geecee

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Originally posted by: bigj3347
Who cares, as long as the right call was made, which it clearly was on both the Bellhorn HR and the ARod interference, it doesn't matter. There's no denying that ARod purposely swiped at the ball to get it out of Arroyo's glove. All I gotta say is Schilling is MY DADDY.
Heh. Kind of makes you wish the Yanks got Randy Johnson at the deadline so we really could see who was the better pitcher in Arizona their world series year. ;)
 

RedPickle

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: Anubis
i agree speed you are going overboard, I think he shoudl be fined but thats it. no susp needed, it was stupid make him cough up some $$$$ leave it be

I can't believe I am reading this. What he did was not illegal. He did not hurt anyone, he did not incite any fights, he did not put anyone in danger. If you want to fine him for swatting at a ball, you might as well fine Cabrera for knocking down Cairo unnecessarily.

if cabrera got called for it i would be saying teh same thing, he didnt arod did, and it was obvious to everyone that he ment it, IMO fine is justified

A fine for swatting the ball out of someone's hand? People like you are the reason that baseball is going down the drain. Yes it was an illegal move and he was called out for it. Fines are for major things. The carbrera thing was not as big an issue because it did not ultimately affect the play, thanks to a nice throw by Cairo, but if it did would you be asking for fines now for hard slides? Let the players play.
 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
ARod should be suspended and fined for Game 7 for his "malicious and unsportsmanlike" (right out of the rulebook read on Baseball Tonight) swing at Bronson Arroyo's arm.

Shut the hell up with this already. You are a complete moron. How about Cabrera intentionally knocking down Cairo last night? You want to talk "unsportsmanlike"? I have 18 hitbatsmen from the Yankees that can tell you unsportsman like.
I didn't see the Cairo/Cabrera incident. When's the last time you saw someone take a malicious swipe at someone with the ball when they're imminently going to be out? Wow, a hitter got HBP, that happens every night. Here's a quarter, call someone who cares!

Even the Boston fans in this forum agree that your a moron. Go to sleep little boy.
Keep patting Arod on the back, classless Yankee fan. If you were at the game, you would have thrown debris on the field. They brought out the cops in riot gear because of classless fans such as yourself. Keep praising ARod, your true colors of sportsmanship are showing.

At least we aren't morons throwing baseballs back onto the field that can potentially hurt our own players...even Johnny Damon was pissed.
"The crowd greeted the umpires' reversed call by pelting the field with cups, paper wrappers and other debris." That's funny, MLB.COM just edited this article, it used to say "baseballs". How fcking funny!
 

RedPickle

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: Anubis
i agree speed you are going overboard, I think he shoudl be fined but thats it. no susp needed, it was stupid make him cough up some $$$$ leave it be

I can't believe I am reading this. What he did was not illegal. He did not hurt anyone, he did not incite any fights, he did not put anyone in danger. If you want to fine him for swatting at a ball, you might as well fine Cabrera for knocking down Cairo unnecessarily.
So he didn't dislocate any fingers on Arroyo? He knocked his glove clear off the man's hand, how is that not trying to hurt someone maliciously?


Dislocate a finger? I'm sure thats exactly what he was thinking. Intent is a big word you have to use. His intent was not to injure, it was to get on base. If we use your theory, everyone that hits a batter should be fined because there is the "potential" of someone getting hurt. However, its only the one that intend to hurt that are thrown out and fined.
 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: virtueixi
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
ARod should be suspended and fined for Game 7 for his "malicious and unsportsmanlike" (right out of the rulebook read on Baseball Tonight) swing at Bronson Arroyo's arm.

You do know that if it was an accident, it would have been ruled a fair call. So hypothetically, if a person purposly steps into a baseball to get walked, he should also get suspended?

Not to mention that Arod got called out on an interference call. So anyone that interferes from now on is malicious and unsportsmanlike. Right. If anything I give a big hand to Arod for displaying the kind of heart the Yankees need. They need to do anything they can to win against a very good Boston team. Arod is doing everything he can to help the team win. In case you didnt hear the interview, the umps told Arod to run over Arroyo next time instead of swatting the ball out because that wouldn't be interference. Is that better for you?
Arroyo wasn't in the baseline, and if Arod tries to run over his glove that's in the baseline, then that's perfectly within the rules.

Please refer to this picture clearly showing that Arroyo is on the baseline.
http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/mlb/2004/1019/photo/a_rodriguez_ft.jpg
Easy, Mientkavicz was in the baseline, yes. So if ARod bowled him over it would have been legal. Arroyo was running behind Arod and coming from the side, as your pic shows. If Arod has already run past Arroyo, then Arroyo is allowed to have any body part in the baseline, as your pic shows and you are asking.

I was assuming you were watching the game. I guess I am wrong because if you did you would realize that Arroyo arrived on the basepath at the same time Arod did. Arod even moved over to the right to avoid the tag, so yes, instead of going through Arroyo he went around.
Yes AROD ran to his right to avoid the tag and was out of the baseline, Arroyo just pursued him as he ran right, in order to apply the tag. Watch the play again, if anything ARod should have been called out for running out of the baseline.

 

RedPickle

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
ARod should be suspended and fined for Game 7 for his "malicious and unsportsmanlike" (right out of the rulebook read on Baseball Tonight) swing at Bronson Arroyo's arm.

Shut the hell up with this already. You are a complete moron. How about Cabrera intentionally knocking down Cairo last night? You want to talk "unsportsmanlike"? I have 18 hitbatsmen from the Yankees that can tell you unsportsman like.
I didn't see the Cairo/Cabrera incident. When's the last time you saw someone take a malicious swipe at someone with the ball when they're imminently going to be out? Wow, a hitter got HBP, that happens every night. Here's a quarter, call someone who cares!

Even the Boston fans in this forum agree that your a moron. Go to sleep little boy.
Keep patting Arod on the back, classless Yankee fan. If you were at the game, you would have thrown debris on the field. They brought out the cops in riot gear because of classless fans such as yourself. Keep praising ARod, your true colors of sportsmanship are showing.

At least we aren't morons throwing baseballs back onto the field that can potentially hurt our own players...even Johnny Damon was pissed.
"The crowd greeted the umpires' reversed call by pelting the field with cups, paper wrappers and other debris." That's funny, MLB.COM just edited this article, it used to say "baseballs". How fcking funny!

Funny because they made a typo?
 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: Anubis
i agree speed you are going overboard, I think he shoudl be fined but thats it. no susp needed, it was stupid make him cough up some $$$$ leave it be

I can't believe I am reading this. What he did was not illegal. He did not hurt anyone, he did not incite any fights, he did not put anyone in danger. If you want to fine him for swatting at a ball, you might as well fine Cabrera for knocking down Cairo unnecessarily.
So he didn't dislocate any fingers on Arroyo? He knocked his glove clear off the man's hand, how is that not trying to hurt someone maliciously?


Dislocate a finger? I'm sure thats exactly what he was thinking. Intent is a big word you have to use. His intent was not to injure, it was to get on base. If we use your theory, everyone that hits a batter should be fined because there is the "potential" of someone getting hurt. However, its only the one that intend to hurt that are thrown out and fined.
Ok, you put a glove on and let me try and knock it off your hand violently. There is a good possibility your fingers will be bent.
 

RedPickle

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon

I was assuming you were watching the game. I guess I am wrong because if you did you would realize that Arroyo arrived on the basepath at the same time Arod did. Arod even moved over to the right to avoid the tag, so yes, instead of going through Arroyo he went around.
Yes AROD ran to his right to avoid the tag and was out of the baseline, Arroyo just pursued him as he ran right, in order to apply the tag. Watch the play again, if anything ARod should have been called out for running out of the baseline.

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In case you didn't know the baseline isn't just that thin white line down the middle. It spans for a couple of feet. Please learn the rules.
 

SP33Demon

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If all Cabrera did was slide hard into Cairo, then you shouldn't cry about that. It's totally legal.
 

geecee

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Yes AROD ran to his right to avoid the tag and was out of the baseline, Arroyo just pursued him as he ran right, in order to apply the tag. Watch the play again, if anything ARod should have been called out for running out of the baseline.
Why don't you guys settle this the old-fashioned ATOT way? Just start a thread with a poll. ;) :p
 

RedPickle

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: Anubis
i agree speed you are going overboard, I think he shoudl be fined but thats it. no susp needed, it was stupid make him cough up some $$$$ leave it be

I can't believe I am reading this. What he did was not illegal. He did not hurt anyone, he did not incite any fights, he did not put anyone in danger. If you want to fine him for swatting at a ball, you might as well fine Cabrera for knocking down Cairo unnecessarily.
So he didn't dislocate any fingers on Arroyo? He knocked his glove clear off the man's hand, how is that not trying to hurt someone maliciously?


Dislocate a finger? I'm sure thats exactly what he was thinking. Intent is a big word you have to use. His intent was not to injure, it was to get on base. If we use your theory, everyone that hits a batter should be fined because there is the "potential" of someone getting hurt. However, its only the one that intend to hurt that are thrown out and fined.
Ok, you put a glove on and let me try and knock it off your hand violently. There is a good possibility your fingers will be bent.

Again I ask, was the intent to hurt or to reach base. You make no valid argument other than "what if"
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
If all Cabrera did was slide hard into Cairo, then you shouldn't cry about that. It's totally legal.

He did a popup slide and shoved his elbow into Cairo's chest.
 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: SP33Demon

I was assuming you were watching the game. I guess I am wrong because if you did you would realize that Arroyo arrived on the basepath at the same time Arod did. Arod even moved over to the right to avoid the tag, so yes, instead of going through Arroyo he went around.
Yes AROD ran to his right to avoid the tag and was out of the baseline, Arroyo just pursued him as he ran right, in order to apply the tag. Watch the play again, if anything ARod should have been called out for running out of the baseline.

In case you didn't know the baseline isn't just that thin white line down the middle. It spans for a couple of feet. Please learn the rules.[/quote]
Ok, then how is Arroyo supposed to tag Arod with the glove without going into the baseline? You're not making sense here, first you yell that Arroyo was in the baseline! omg! when of course he was, he had to be in order to make the tag. So what exactly is your point?

 

RedPickle

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
If all Cabrera did was slide hard into Cairo, then you shouldn't cry about that. It's totally legal.

I never cried about it. Its called making a point. It is legal alright, but your saying people should get fined if others are intentionally trying to hurt others. Cabrera was intentionally trying to hurt someone whether you think so or not.
 

geecee

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
If all Cabrera did was slide hard into Cairo, then you shouldn't cry about that. It's totally legal.
Actually, Cabrera hit Cairo well after Cairo had released the ball. And he was fairly blatant about coming up to hit him, actually well after his slide was over. If Cabrera hit him while he was releasing or just releasing the ball, it would have been no big deal but that wasn't the case.

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Originally posted by: The Presence
He did a popup slide and shoved his elbow into Cairo's chest.
It was more like a butt to the midsection that knocked Cairo backwards a few feet. Quite intentional.
 

RedPickle

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: SP33Demon

I was assuming you were watching the game. I guess I am wrong because if you did you would realize that Arroyo arrived on the basepath at the same time Arod did. Arod even moved over to the right to avoid the tag, so yes, instead of going through Arroyo he went around.
Yes AROD ran to his right to avoid the tag and was out of the baseline, Arroyo just pursued him as he ran right, in order to apply the tag. Watch the play again, if anything ARod should have been called out for running out of the baseline.

In case you didn't know the baseline isn't just that thin white line down the middle. It spans for a couple of feet. Please learn the rules.
Ok, then how is Arroyo supposed to tag Arod with the glove without going into the baseline? You're not making sense here, first you yell that Arroyo was in the baseline! omg! when of course he was, he had to be in order to make the tag. So what exactly is your point?

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Point is, Arod did not run him over, but rather swatted at his hand. How much angrier would you be if he knocked Arroyo down. I am trying to show you that what Arod did was not as dishonorable as you make him out to be.

 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: Anubis
i agree speed you are going overboard, I think he shoudl be fined but thats it. no susp needed, it was stupid make him cough up some $$$$ leave it be

I can't believe I am reading this. What he did was not illegal. He did not hurt anyone, he did not incite any fights, he did not put anyone in danger. If you want to fine him for swatting at a ball, you might as well fine Cabrera for knocking down Cairo unnecessarily.
So he didn't dislocate any fingers on Arroyo? He knocked his glove clear off the man's hand, how is that not trying to hurt someone maliciously?


Dislocate a finger? I'm sure thats exactly what he was thinking. Intent is a big word you have to use. His intent was not to injure, it was to get on base. If we use your theory, everyone that hits a batter should be fined because there is the "potential" of someone getting hurt. However, its only the one that intend to hurt that are thrown out and fined.
Ok, you put a glove on and let me try and knock it off your hand violently. There is a good possibility your fingers will be bent.

Again I ask, was the intent to hurt or to reach base. You make no valid argument other than "what if"
Um, Baseball Tonight said during the press conference that it was "malicious and unsportsmanlike", reading it right out of the rulebook. But they don't know what they're talking about, right? They just get paid millions of dollars to pull our chains.
 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: geecee
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
If all Cabrera did was slide hard into Cairo, then you shouldn't cry about that. It's totally legal.
Actually, Cabrera hit Cairo well after Cairo had released the ball. And he was fairly blatant about coming up to hit him, actually well after his slide was over. If Cabrera hit him while he was releasing or just releasing the ball, it would have been no big deal but that wasn't the case.
Hmm didn't see it... Cabrera in the least should have been warned then, and if it was a hard hit that could have possibly injured Cairo, then yes he should have been fined/suspended too.
 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: SP33Demon

I was assuming you were watching the game. I guess I am wrong because if you did you would realize that Arroyo arrived on the basepath at the same time Arod did. Arod even moved over to the right to avoid the tag, so yes, instead of going through Arroyo he went around.
Yes AROD ran to his right to avoid the tag and was out of the baseline, Arroyo just pursued him as he ran right, in order to apply the tag. Watch the play again, if anything ARod should have been called out for running out of the baseline.

In case you didn't know the baseline isn't just that thin white line down the middle. It spans for a couple of feet. Please learn the rules.
Ok, then how is Arroyo supposed to tag Arod with the glove without going into the baseline? You're not making sense here, first you yell that Arroyo was in the baseline! omg! when of course he was, he had to be in order to make the tag. So what exactly is your point?

Point is, Arod did not run him over, but rather swatted at his hand. How much angrier would you be if he knocked Arroyo down. I am trying to show you that what Arod did was not as dishonorable as you make him out to be.

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It is dishonorable because no other player has done it all year. Only Arod could find a way to pull a classless stunt like that out of his arse. If Arod had bowled over Mientkavicz, I would say that's ok b/c he was blocking the baseline, it is ARod's right to get to first. Swatting another player's glove off his hand, when you know you're going to be tagged, is "dishonorable". There is no arguing this, all of America has seen ARod's true colors.

 

SP33Demon

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Originally posted by: RedPickle
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
If all Cabrera did was slide hard into Cairo, then you shouldn't cry about that. It's totally legal.

I never cried about it. Its called making a point. It is legal alright, but your saying people should get fined if others are intentionally trying to hurt others. Cabrera was intentionally trying to hurt someone whether you think so or not.
Yes, to reiterate, if Cabrera had hit Cairo hard enough to possibly injure him, then yes I agree he should have been fined/suspended. There's no place for that in baseball.