Obama to unveil big increase in required mpg

[hiromizu]

ah f0ck it

 

[Slew Foot]

So Obama says this will add $1600 to the cost of a car by 2016. Does this only apply to people making 250K or more?

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
So Obama says this will add $1600 to the cost of a car by 2016. Does this only apply to people making 250K or more?

apparently the costs are recouped in gas savings in 3 years.

 

[Sacrilege]

More pages of right wing whining. I love it. Now it's all a conspiracy to make Americans into un-individualist Soviet workers, to castrate the American sense of independence, to drive all industry out of America so we are surfs of our hippie overlords. The right sounds like delirious dinosaurs, scared of any change to the status quo. But they are first to complain about our dependence on "Muslim Terrorist" or "Commie Chavez" oil. More drilling in America would have a minute dent on our oil inputs. But why use science, facts, and simple arithmetic when you can sputter emotive whining about the Libruls.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: spacejamz

is everything a conspiracy with you? If you are so unhappy here, why don't you move to someplace where you are not so paranoid?

being inundated with advertising all your life isn't a conspiracy.

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: spacejamz

is everything a conspiracy with you? If you are so unhappy here, why don't you move to someplace where you are not so paranoid?

being inundated with advertising all your life isn't a conspiracy.

so all of the manufacturers out there are in kahootz with each other to determine which ads we see and don't see???

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Still don't understand why people are so against this. As mentioned 35MPG is the same standard set by the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, which updated CAFE standards for the first time in a long time. It sounds like the deadline is simply being moved up slightly. Don't forget that the Energy Independence and Security Act received broad bipartisan support in Congress and was then signed into law by President Bush. It also seems like the automakers are supportive of this new requirement, as it's better than the alternatives that California and other states were seeking.

because the end result of car that gets 42MPG is not the product that american consumers want...

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
More pages of right wing whining. I love it. Now it's all a conspiracy to make Americans into un-individualist Soviet workers, to castrate the American sense of independence, to drive all industry out of America so we are surfs of our hippie overlords. The right sounds like delirious dinosaurs, scared of any change to the status quo. But they are first to complain about our dependence on "Muslim Terrorist" or "Commie Chavez" oil. More drilling in America would have a minute dent on our oil inputs. But why use science, facts, and simple arithmetic when you can sputter emotive whining about the Libruls.

Well after 8 years of ineptitude from their party it's understandable why they feel we might not be capable of doing great things anymore.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Zorkorist

Originally posted by: Zorkorist
Thw Government (and Unions) have been slowly killing the Auto Industry with regulations as well as contracts.

Obama is only escalating it.

-John

Can you imagine trying to start a bew car business today?

It wouldn't be allowed.

-John

Do you mean like Tesla motors? They are now partnering with Daimler to produce electric cars. And despite claims that govt regulations are killing them, "He hopes to get much of that (funding) from two federal Energy Dept. programs to support green technologies."

Hats off to Daimler for recognizing the future of automobiles and investing in the future.

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Electric car startup Tesla Motors has a new partner: German giant Daimler (DAI). On May 19, at the tony Hay-Adams Hotel in Washington, Daimler announced it has taken a 10% stake, worth about $50 million, in the San Carlos (Calif.) auto pioneer
The two companies had already been working together. Daimler was planning to build 1,000 all-electric versions of its small Smartcar using Tesla's battery technology. But Daimler wanted more than just a simple supplier-customer relationship, explains Dieter Zetsche, chairman of the board of management of Daimler and head of Mercedes-Benz Cars. "We are in a time of change," he says. "This industry is going through a kind of paradigm shift, and has to reinvent itself ultimately to be independent of petroleum and without CO2 emissions. We need fast technology change."

Making changes fast is hard for big companies. So more than just looking to Tesla for new technology, Daimler wants an infusion of entrepreneurial spirit. "We want to think out of the box," says Zetsche. "We want to go down new paths, and we believe the combination of such a young, very ingenious company and a very experienced, longtime successful company is a good one in order to find new approaches fast."

The deal brings credibility as well as money to five-year-old Tesla, which has garnered headlines for both its speedy Roadster as well as for its recent stumbles. "It validates the effort Tesla has made in pushing the electric vehicle," says Jeff Schuster, executive director for forecasting for J.D. Power & Associates (which, like BusinessWeek, is a unit of The McGraw-Hill Companies (MHP)). "It certainly is a boost to that company to have a company like Daimler investing."


That confidence has been shaken a bit recently. The Roadster had cost overruns and delays, and the company has suffered through layoffs and the firing of its first CEO. Now, Tesla has a plan to offer a less expensive but still speedy electric sedan, the Model S, for $49,900. But Musk needs $400 million more to put the car into production. He hopes to get much of that from two federal Energy Dept. programs to support green technologies. But he hasn't snared the funding yet, and some auto experts and ex-Tesla employees doubt the company can pull it all off. "There are lot more steps to go before Tesla is a viable car company," says George Peterson, president of automotive consulting firm AutoPacific.

Tapping Daimler's Expertise
Musk hopes that the deal with Daimler will help put some of the doubts to rest. "It's important to recognize Daimler is very meticulous," he says. "A huge part of their commitment is due to the Model S. They've gone through the Model S development costs line by line."

As part of the deal, Daimler will help Tesla with the new car's engineering. "Tesla is interested in some components, some knowhow, and some technology to add to their vibrant, very energetic startup approach," says Zetsche.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Zorkorist

Originally posted by: Zorkorist
Thw Government (and Unions) have been slowly killing the Auto Industry with regulations as well as contracts.

Obama is only escalating it.

-John

Can you imagine trying to start a bew car business today?

It wouldn't be allowed.

-John

Do you mean like Tesla motors? They are now partnering with Daimler to produce electric cars. And despite claims that govt regulations are killing them, "He hopes to get much of that (funding) from two federal Energy Dept. programs to support green technologies."

Hats off to Daimler for recognizing the future of automobiles and investing in the future.

Text

Electric car startup Tesla Motors has a new partner: German giant Daimler (DAI). On May 19, at the tony Hay-Adams Hotel in Washington, Daimler announced it has taken a 10% stake, worth about $50 million, in the San Carlos (Calif.) auto pioneer
The two companies had already been working together. Daimler was planning to build 1,000 all-electric versions of its small Smartcar using Tesla's battery technology. But Daimler wanted more than just a simple supplier-customer relationship, explains Dieter Zetsche, chairman of the board of management of Daimler and head of Mercedes-Benz Cars. "We are in a time of change," he says. "This industry is going through a kind of paradigm shift, and has to reinvent itself ultimately to be independent of petroleum and without CO2 emissions. We need fast technology change."

Making changes fast is hard for big companies. So more than just looking to Tesla for new technology, Daimler wants an infusion of entrepreneurial spirit. "We want to think out of the box," says Zetsche. "We want to go down new paths, and we believe the combination of such a young, very ingenious company and a very experienced, longtime successful company is a good one in order to find new approaches fast."

The deal brings credibility as well as money to five-year-old Tesla, which has garnered headlines for both its speedy Roadster as well as for its recent stumbles. "It validates the effort Tesla has made in pushing the electric vehicle," says Jeff Schuster, executive director for forecasting for J.D. Power & Associates (which, like BusinessWeek, is a unit of The McGraw-Hill Companies (MHP)). "It certainly is a boost to that company to have a company like Daimler investing."


That confidence has been shaken a bit recently. The Roadster had cost overruns and delays, and the company has suffered through layoffs and the firing of its first CEO. Now, Tesla has a plan to offer a less expensive but still speedy electric sedan, the Model S, for $49,900. But Musk needs $400 million more to put the car into production. He hopes to get much of that from two federal Energy Dept. programs to support green technologies. But he hasn't snared the funding yet, and some auto experts and ex-Tesla employees doubt the company can pull it all off. "There are lot more steps to go before Tesla is a viable car company," says George Peterson, president of automotive consulting firm AutoPacific.

Tapping Daimler's Expertise
Musk hopes that the deal with Daimler will help put some of the doubts to rest. "It's important to recognize Daimler is very meticulous," he says. "A huge part of their commitment is due to the Model S. They've gone through the Model S development costs line by line."

As part of the deal, Daimler will help Tesla with the new car's engineering. "Tesla is interested in some components, some knowhow, and some technology to add to their vibrant, very energetic startup approach," says Zetsche.

The auto industry just needs to be taken out of Detroit to somewhere much more dynamic. It's interesting to see if Silicon Valley's auto company will succeed.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
More pages of right wing whining. I love it. Now it's all a conspiracy to make Americans into un-individualist Soviet workers, to castrate the American sense of independence, to drive all industry out of America so we are surfs of our hippie overlords. The right sounds like delirious dinosaurs, scared of any change to the status quo. But they are first to complain about our dependence on "Muslim Terrorist" or "Commie Chavez" oil. More drilling in America would have a minute dent on our oil inputs. But why use science, facts, and simple arithmetic when you can sputter emotive whining about the Libruls.

Well after 8 years of ineptitude from their party it's understandable why they feel we might not be capable of doing great things anymore.

Red your signature should say "but Bush...."

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
More pages of right wing whining. I love it. Now it's all a conspiracy to make Americans into un-individualist Soviet workers, to castrate the American sense of independence, to drive all industry out of America so we are surfs of our hippie overlords. The right sounds like delirious dinosaurs, scared of any change to the status quo. But they are first to complain about our dependence on "Muslim Terrorist" or "Commie Chavez" oil. More drilling in America would have a minute dent on our oil inputs. But why use science, facts, and simple arithmetic when you can sputter emotive whining about the Libruls.

Well after 8 years of ineptitude from their party it's understandable why they feel we might not be capable of doing great things anymore.

Red your signature should say "but Bush...."

Why, he was just a part of the debacle.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
More pages of right wing whining. I love it. Now it's all a conspiracy to make Americans into un-individualist Soviet workers, to castrate the American sense of independence, to drive all industry out of America so we are surfs of our hippie overlords. The right sounds like delirious dinosaurs, scared of any change to the status quo. But they are first to complain about our dependence on "Muslim Terrorist" or "Commie Chavez" oil. More drilling in America would have a minute dent on our oil inputs. But why use science, facts, and simple arithmetic when you can sputter emotive whining about the Libruls.

Well after 8 years of ineptitude from their party it's understandable why they feel we might not be capable of doing great things anymore.

Red your signature should say "but Bush...."

Why, he was just a part of the debacle.

Because he's always a part of your debate, it will save you time.

 

[glenn1]

Originally posted by: IGBT

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
Is this mpg even achievable without cutting weight or less horsepower on gas vehicle? Before everyone scream hybrid not everyone can afford 30-40k car.

you forgot. the eco-KOOKS don't want you to drive. the whole point of this is to demoblize the common citizen and force you all into public transportation and make you live in soviet style transit villages.

I hope so. Too many proles drive already and the sight of them is disturbing the views or neighborhoods, and they're not doing nearly as much for the environments as those of us in the creative class.

 

[Elias824]

Normally im really not an Obama fan, but I think this really needed to be done. After seeing oil at $140 and how much havoc it caused, I really think its necessary.

 

[TruePaige]

If the government would get behind electric vehicles I believe we could have 140MPG equivalent vehicles within 4 years.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Sacrilege
More pages of right wing whining. I love it. Now it's all a conspiracy to make Americans into un-individualist Soviet workers, to castrate the American sense of independence, to drive all industry out of America so we are surfs of our hippie overlords. The right sounds like delirious dinosaurs, scared of any change to the status quo. But they are first to complain about our dependence on "Muslim Terrorist" or "Commie Chavez" oil. More drilling in America would have a minute dent on our oil inputs. But why use science, facts, and simple arithmetic when you can sputter emotive whining about the Libruls.

Well after 8 years of ineptitude from their party it's understandable why they feel we might not be capable of doing great things anymore.

Red your signature should say "but Bush...."

Why, he was just a part of the debacle.

Because he's always a part of your debate, it will save you time.

Red's going take it to the grave.. "... but Bush... " As some of these libs get older in their wheelchairs, I can picture in my mind them yelling "... but Bush" when the nurse tries to give them their meds.. heheheh

 

[ZeGermans]

good. Hopefully this will eliminate the SUV as a viable product.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
good. Hopefully this will eliminate the SUV as a viable product.

Not all SUVs are your enemy

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: sandorski
A goal has been set. A Goal that the Industry had no intention of setting. They'll achieve it, because they have to.

Industry would set the goal if that's what people wanted to buy. If people don't want to buy it, industry shouldn't make it. Instead, you're heaping inefficiency on inefficiency by forcing the industry to build cars that people don't want just to meet some arbitrary standard. Meanwhile, people are punished because they pay higher taxes to support these failing companies. It's not hard to see why a company fails when the government mandates that the company builds cars that people don't want. You accused industry of being myopic previously, yet the converse is the real problem here.

Where do people get these ridiculous notions they have free will and buy the products they want. The American people are a pack of programmed buying sheep that spend on junk they don't need because they are impelled by that programming to do just that. We have spent trillions of hours watching ads. Wake the fuck up. You haven't the faintest idea what YOU want. You don't even know who YOU are.

Oh, and I do know where you get the ridiculous ideas. They are part of the program too.

Give me a hot chick with swollen lips and a dilated pupil in her left eye and I can make you want to drive a Tonka toy.

is everything a conspiracy with you? If you are so unhappy here, why don't you move to someplace where you are not so paranoid?

All your saying to me is that you'd be miserable and paranoid if you could see what I see. The fact is that I see what I see because I'm not miserable or paranoid.

 

[ProfJohn]

This is a perfect example of Democrats stepping on our personal freedoms in the name of 'social good'

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
It is Obama plan all along, to tax the hell out of us with a so call righteous reason.

I believe Karl Marx wrote down the ideology behind working for the good of the collective in his Communist Manifesto. Who would have thought those ideals would be pushed by the majority party in control of America?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Hacp
I'm conflicted. On one hand, the union rats will finally disappear once the big 3 fails. On the other, he is practically gifting the market to foreign automakers.

something about not being foreign makes it easier to high MPG cars?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
All your saying to me is that you'd be miserable and paranoid if you could see what I see. The fact is that I see what I see because I'm not miserable or paranoid.

LSD makes people see things too. Doesn't make their visions reality.

 

[teclis1023]

This is fake progress.

Progress is: "By 2016, all cars manufactured in the United States must be electric"