obama successfully reaches across to Republicans.

[SpatiallyAware]

I'm not disputing that. I'm taking issue with your gross misrepresentation of a photo taken in London and your statement saying it was a "photo from an article about their disruption of the Senate protests".

Doc.... Dontcha know.... It's totally different when eski does these things as it's for the greater good. But no one else can even skirt on the outside of a theoretical statement without him completely losing control of himself.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm not disputing that. I'm taking issue with your gross misrepresentation of a photo taken in London....a "photo from an article about their disruption of the Senate protests".

I had a number of articles about it open, most of which simply had videos which I wasn't going to link to. I mistakenly linked a photo from an article about a different set of protests about Syria. Hell, I only posted a photo at all due to your stupid attempt to impugn the credibility of Code Pink.

If you think mistakenly linking a photo from one protest against intervention Syria when talking about a different protest against intervention in Syria is a "gross misrepresentation", that's your business. I find it far more likely that you're just trying to pick a fight.

EDIT: What would even be the purpose of such "gross misrepresentation" anyway?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

And now for the backpedaling.......


We all know what he would do if someone he was debating with did this.... He would literally never let it go, and try to distort every single point based on a misconstrued statement.

 

[Incorruptible]

Just because both sides are a-holes (and they certainly are) doesn't mean they should be allowed to do whatever they want to each other. If chemical weapons are ok, how about bioweapons? Nukes? Is there a line?

Also, is there a non-crackpot source that the rebels used chemicals on themselves? (BBC etc.)

US involvement will only make the situation worse. Nothing good can come out of this. These rebels are backed by al-qaida and will implement strict Islamic sharia law. Why is obama stupid enough to help them?

 

[BoberFett]

Stop being ridiculous.

Stop being intellectually dishonest.

 

[fskimospy]

Stop being intellectually dishonest.

I don't think that phrase means what you think it means.

 

[yllus]

And? That's the point. War should be reactionary. Or do you actually believe in that preemptive war tripe? Initiating violence makes you the aggressor.

I believe in being prudent. If you can spend $100 million by placing a number of bases in West Germany that give the USSR serious doubt about coming through the Fulda Gap (and tell it you're serious about contributing to West Germany's defence), that's a lot better than spending $10 trillion and 10 million lives because your only option is to react and try to take back that land after the fact.

Ah, so as long as you ignore everything bad about a massive military spread around the world, it's a great thing?

You're exhibiting one of the stereotypical behaviours of libertarians that make the rest of us roll our eyes and dismiss you: Simplifying everything to the point of lunacy. It's the main reason that Ron Paul and others of his archetype aren't taken seriously.

There are good and bad things about having a large military. Imagine that - good and bad, existing at the same time! The good is, as I've mentioned, you're able to be in many places at once and potentially head off problems before they grow in size. That has had a significant impact on the world, and I tend to believe it's been mostly in a positive direction, for both the U.S. and the world at large.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Nah, Matt just likes trolling. Michal is the dimmest.

What I get out of michal is more, "attachment to conservatard memes." He's working with garbage so his output is garbage, but he does seem to be able to do the simple math of that little world. He is blind to high-level thought, not quite suffering from categorical and unrelenting dimness.

Matt, OTOH, seems to be unclear on pretty much everything.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I had a number of articles about it open, most of which simply had videos which I wasn't going to link to. I mistakenly linked a photo from an article about a different set of protests about Syria. Hell, I only posted a photo at all due to your stupid attempt to impugn the credibility of Code Pink.

Thanks for fessing up! But let's get a few facts straight. I merely wanted to know what Code Pink was doing in regard to Syria involvement as I hadn't seen them in the media until this morning after I asked my question. Secondly, I am genuinely happy that they're protesting. Your "stupid attempt" comment speaks volumes about your apparent lack of respect for me. Looks like I'll be crying myself to sleep tonight once more you brute!

If you think mistakenly linking a photo from one protest against intervention Syria when talking about a different protest against intervention in Syria is a "gross misrepresentation", that's your business. I find it far more likely that you're just trying to pick a fight.

EDIT: What would even be the purpose of such "gross misrepresentation" anyway?

I'm taking you at your word...it was a mistake. But I find it kind of humorous that you're now accusing me of wanting to pick a fight by just pointing out your mistake. You sir are 'King of the Fight Pickers' at ATPN and I could never hold a candle to you.

 

[BoberFett]

I don't think that phrase means what you think it means.

I'm not surprised you don't understand intellectual honesty.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Lol.

 

[BoberFett]

I believe in being prudent. If you can spend $100 million by placing a number of bases in West Germany that give the USSR serious doubt about coming through the Fulda Gap (and tell it you're serious about contributing to West Germany's defence), that's a lot better than spending $10 trillion and 10 million lives because your only option is to react and try to take back that land after the fact.

Then there's no war that can't be justified. We were right to spend a trillion dollars fighting Saddam, because he could have triggered the communication device that called the aliens he was working with in for a worldwide attack on 'Murica!

Hey, as long as we're spending real money fighting imaginary enemies, let's make it interesting.

You're exhibiting one of the stereotypical behaviours of libertarians that make the rest of us roll our eyes and dismiss you: Simplifying everything to the point of lunacy. It's the main reason that Ron Paul and others of his archetype aren't taken seriously.

And you're exhibiting stereotypical behaviors of the average Democrat and Republicans. Paranoia and poor decision making skills: Believing our enemies are everywhere just waiting to pounce, and spending trillions and killing millions on imaginary threats. It's the main reason libertarians think the mainstream is nuts.

There are good and bad things about having a large military. Imagine that - good and bad, existing at the same time! The good is, as I've mentioned, you're able to be in many places at once and potentially head off problems before they grow in size. That has had a significant impact on the world, and I tend to believe it's been mostly in a positive direction, for both the U.S. and the world at large.

And you're wrong. But don't worry, much better men than you have been wrong about war.

Rough numbers: Since WW2, in inflation adjusted dollars, we've spent $30 to 40 trillion dollars on "defense". Please explain what we've gotten for that investment. A stable middle east? Ended the worldwide drug problem? Ceased violence in Africa?

 

[bshole]

That has had a significant impact on the world, and I tend to believe it's been mostly in a positive direction, for both the U.S. and the world at large.

Based on what evidence? Examples?

 

[dank69]

Thanks for fessing up! But let's get a few facts straight. I merely wanted to know what Code Pink was doing in regard to Syria involvement as I hadn't seen them in the media until this morning after I asked my question. Secondly, I am genuinely happy that they're protesting. Your "stupid attempt" comment speaks volumes about your apparent lack of respect for me. Looks like I'll be crying myself to sleep tonight once more you brute!


I'm taking you at your word...it was a mistake. But I find it kind of humorous that you're now accusing me of wanting to pick a fight by just pointing out your mistake. You sir are 'King of the Fight Pickers' at ATPN and I could never hold a candle to you.

You must think we're all pretty stupid to try shoveling that shit. As if you were genuinely interested in what Code Pink is up to. Seems legit. Makes much more sense that what I was thinking, because I was thinking you were poking fun of the hypocrisy you assumed existed in the liberal organization, and Doc would never do such a thing.

 

[dank69]

What I get out of michal is more, "attachment to conservatard memes." He's working with garbage so his output is garbage, but he does seem to be able to do the simple math of that little world. He is blind to high-level thought, not quite suffering from categorical and unrelenting dimness.

Matt, OTOH, seems to be unclear on pretty much everything.

Michal has extreme difficulty following any conversation. Matt does not.
Michal doesn't even understand when he is being insulted becuase he doesn't even understand the insult. I'd actually peg Matt as above average intelligence and just truthy and bitter. There is no way Michal scores over 80 on any general intelligence test.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You must think we're all pretty stupid to try shoveling that shit. As if you were genuinely interested in what Code Pink is up to. Seems legit. Makes much more sense that what I was thinking, because I was thinking you were poking fun of the hypocrisy you assumed existed in the liberal organization, and Doc would never do such a thing.

I think it must really be hard for you grasp the possibility that both could be true....and if that makes you "pretty stupid"...then so be it.

 

[dank69]

I think it must really be hard for you grasp the possibility that both could be true....and if that makes you "pretty stupid"...then so be it.

Oh, so now it was you were genuinely interested AND poking fun at the assumed hypocrisy (which turned out to not exist), not just genuinely interested? If someone had told me a post ago that at least part of your motivation was attempting to frame some liberals as hypocrites I would have thought they were crazy. No wait. That isn't right. I would have thought that it was obvious and any claim to the contrary was ridiculous.

So how often do you check in with Code Pink to see what they are up to? You know, since you are so genuinely interested in them.

 

[Incorruptible]

So when is Hollywood going to come out and condemn this? They had no problem doing it to bush but have a problem when it comes to obama.

 

[moonbogg]

Its just degrade and deter, unless your family is asleep at night and you live down the street from a military facility in Syria...the it becomes fucking BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! all night long. So much for degrade and deter as the shrapnel starts raining down on your house with your kids screaming for someone to make it stop.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Michal has extreme difficulty following any conversation. Matt does not.
Michal doesn't even understand when he is being insulted becuase he doesn't even understand the insult. I'd actually peg Matt as above average intelligence and just truthy and bitter. There is no way Michal scores over 80 on any general intelligence test.

Do you have your m-numbers mixed up?

 

[dank69]

Do you have your m-numbers mixed up?

Nope. I've seen Matt concede points when reasoned with.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Oh, so now it was you were genuinely interested AND poking fun at the assumed hypocrisy (which turned out to not exist), not just genuinely interested? If someone had told me a post ago that at least part of your motivation was attempting to frame some liberals as hypocrites I would have thought they were crazy. No wait. That isn't right. I would have thought that it was obvious and any claim to the contrary was ridiculous.

So how often do you check in with Code Pink to see what they are up to? You know, since you are so genuinely interested in them.

I said I was "merely interested" not "genuinely interested" in how Code Pink was reacting to Syria involvement. Your apparent lack of reading comprehension skills isn't going to help you win any Mensa awards...just saying. I also see that you have a keen ability to dishonestly twist my words in such a way as to insinuate that I'm being somehow hypocritical. Oh...so clever of you!

For the record, I was "genuinely" happy to hear that Code Pink was protesting and weren't being hypocrites (even though I was beginning to suspect otherwise). dank69, you're trying so damn hard to smear me in any way possible and, in the likely case you haven't figured this out by now, you're making yourself look like a complete idiot in the process...just saying.

 

[ivwshane]

Is this where you bring out the freedom banner at the end of a gun speech? We have directly or indirectly killed so many muslims in the last decade. Trying to paint this action of killing more muslims as humanitarianism will fail to sway anybody to our side. To honestly think that was a realistic option is simply stupid.

And yet there are people who believe Obama is a supporter of the Muslim brotherhood because a dumbass congressman once said so. You thinking that people aren't easily swayed by propaganda is what's simply stupid. You overestimate the intelligence of people.

The comment stating we won't be actually picking a side and we are waging war against inanimate objects. That's even more silly than saying guns kill people without a person pulling the trigger.

People are going to die and by default we will be taking sides. In any case the US is most certainly taking sides against Assad as a selling point if one chooses to really believes that nonsense. There is no "set to stun" option here and neither side is worth one American life.

That has zero to do with what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is the message. Your use of the "guns don't kill people, people do", is a perfect example of using messaging to produce changes in the way people think. Do people buy into messages like that? Absolutely!

 

[Genx87]

And yet there are people who believe Obama is a supporter of the Muslim brotherhood because a dumbass congressman once said so. You thinking that people aren't easily swayed by propaganda is what's simply stupid. You overestimate the intelligence of people.

Are you expecting our great propaganda machine to reach Muslims about this idea of yours? Meanwhile they can look in their cities and see the carnage we have left and worry about when the next drone missile comes in while seeing American bombs dropping on another country(syria)? How stupid do you believe these people to be?

 

[ivwshane]

Are you expecting our great propaganda machine to reach Muslims about this idea of yours? Meanwhile they can look in their cities and see the carnage we have left and worry about when the next drone missile comes in while seeing American bombs dropping on another country(syria)? How stupid do you believe these people to be?

You do realize that there are Muslims that exist outside of Syria, right? And I'm sure you also realize how effective propaganda is considering its been used by our government on us and it's used by various groups that try and push their agenda on the American people every day.
So how dumb do I think these Muslims are to fall for propaganda? About as dumb as Americans.