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DucatiMonster696

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Hey look its Kerry's Rumsfeld moment.

LOLOL - Keep playing "RED team vs BLUE team".

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ivwshane

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I know, right? Because the imaginary victims of the Muslim Holocaust in World War 3 must be brought to the World's attention and we must make it clear which side we are on so that they won't hate us. :rolleyes:

Seriously though: just who, other than Assad, is killing Muslims needlessly and how does that affect their opinion of us? What kind of pointless message is that?! Hamas and Al Qaeda do not hate us for "needlessly killing Muslims." Stop imagining things.

Lol. The Syrian conflict is Muslims against Muslims, and that's not very common at all. By making this a "save all Muslims" as opposed to save only those that we think will be pro US. It allows us to take a position without taking a side.

But I see thats too deep for you to understand so dont worry about it.
 

stormkroe

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Does he have to return the Nobel Peace Prize now?

No, silly. Didn't you know? When you do nothing to get it, you can't do anything to lose it. On a serious note, I would love to see the Obamapologists here chime in. $10 says it'll be a quote of Shakespear's timeless "Shall not conservatards continue in rank 'tarding?"
 

Genx87

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Lol. The Syrian conflict is Muslims against Muslims, and that's not very common at all. By making this a "save all Muslims" as opposed to save only those that we think will be pro US. It allows us to take a position without taking a side.

But I see thats too deep for you to understand so dont worry about it.

Is this where you bring out the freedom banner at the end of a gun speech? We have directly or indirectly killed so many muslims in the last decade. Trying to paint this action of killing more muslims as humanitarianism will fail to sway anybody to our side. To honestly think that was a realistic option is simply stupid.
 

BoberFett

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The Syrian conflict is Muslims against Muslims, and that's not very common at all.

Am I missing the sarcasm here?

By making this a "save all Muslims" as opposed to save only those that we think will be pro US. It allows us to take a position without taking a side.

But I see thats too deep for you to understand so dont worry about it.

LOL, bonehead here thinks he's being deep.
 

BoberFett

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McCain during congressional meetings about going to war playing poker.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/03/mccains-poker-scandal/?hpt=hp_c2

What a fucking clown. Time to put the old fart in the nursing home.

I tell you what, if I had to listen to people talk about going to war for 3.5 hours, I'd probably just go to sleep and vote Yes anyway. I mean, who cares? It's just war. We go in, kill the bad guy, go home. What's so hard about it? Bruce Willis does it all the time.
 

BoberFett

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No, silly. Didn't you know? When you do nothing to get it, you can't do anything to lose it. On a serious note, I would love to see the Obamapologists here chime in. $10 says it'll be a quote of Shakespear's timeless "Shall not conservatards continue in rank 'tarding?"

Christ on crutches, we've got Fucktard234, I mean Craig, over in the Discussion Club forum telling us about how we have to attack Syria.

It's fucking looney tunes in here. Republicans slamming war by Obama, Democrats defending their precious Obama when he's about to start lobbing bombs at another country.

Al Qaeda beat us long ago. I'm just going to enjoy watching this country implode. It's fucking hilarious.
 

CZroe

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Lol. The Syrian conflict is Muslims against Muslims, and that's not very common at all.
So you really DO think there was some sort of modern atrocity committed against Muslims by non-Muslims? When did this Muslim Holocaust happen and who is responsible? How is this more "common" than typical violence in the Muslim world and yet we've not heard of it?

By making this a "save all Muslims" as opposed to save only those that we think will be pro US. It allows us to take a position without taking a side.
How is picking one of two Muslim sides to attack saving "all" Muslims? Also, how is it not taking a side?

But I see thats too deep for you to understand so dont worry about it.
Oh, I think it's you who has trouble understanding what you said.

You imagined some "needless Muslim killing" atrocity that doesn't exist and then decided that we could inject ourselves into it to win brownie points with our enemies despite that never being their reason for hating us. Good job.
 
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BoberFett

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So you really DO think there was some sort of modern atrocity committed against Muslims by non-Muslims? When did this Muslim Holocaust happen and who is responsible?


How is picking one of two Muslim sides to attack saving "all" Muslims? Also, how is it not taking a side?


Oh, I think it's you who has trouble understanding what you said.

You imagined some "needless Muslim killing" atrocity that doesn't exist and then decided that we could inject ourselves into it to win brownie points with our enemies despite that never being their reason for hating us. Good job.

ivwshane has really outed himself the last couple weeks as a bonafide moron.
 

ivwshane

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So you really DO think there was some sort of modern atrocity committed against Muslims by non-Muslims? When did this Muslim Holocaust happen and who is responsible? How is this more "common" than typical violence in the Muslim world and yet we've not heard of it?


How is picking one of two Muslim sides to attack saving "all" Muslims? Also, how is it not taking a side?


Oh, I think it's you who has trouble understanding what you said.

You imagined some "needless Muslim killing" atrocity that doesn't exist and then decided that we could inject ourselves into it to win brownie points with our enemies despite that never being their reason for hating us. Good job.


Yeah, you aren't getting it. Our mission will be to destroy chemical weapons depots or manufacturing plants, we won't be taking out assad, therefore we won't actually be picking a side.
Picking a side in this conflict that has nothing to do with us is the worst possible option and a lose lose. Taking a stand against chemical weapons regardless of who uses them is a noble thing to do. Doing nothing is akin to sitting out while the nazis rounded up German Jews. How many lives would have been saved had someone stepped up and condemned such action before it grew into what it eventually became?

And I'm curious, why do they hate us?
 
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CZroe

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Yeah, you aren't getting it. Our mission will be to destroy chemical weapons depots or manufacturing plants, we won't be taking out assad, therefore we won't actually be picking a side.
Picking a side in this conflict that has nothing to do with us is the worst possible option and a lose lose. Taking a stand against chemical weapons regardless of who uses them is a noble thing to do. Doing nothing is akin to sitting out while the nazis rounded up German Jews. How many lives would have been saved has someone stepped up and condemned such action before it grew into what it eventually became?

Just dig your hole deeper, why don't you? Earlier you said that it was specifically an opportunity to show that the US is against needless Muslim killing as if there were some problem with needless Muslim killings in this world. When it was pointed out that it was Muslims killing Muslims, you say that it doesn't matter who used them. You may not realize it, but ignoring that means you also must ignore the religion of the ones being targeted since one proves the other irrelevant since the religion was not why they were being attacked.
 

ivwshane

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Just dig your hole deeper, why don't you? Earlier you said that it was specifically an opportunity to show that the US is against needless Muslim killing as if there were some problem with needless Muslim killings in this world. When it was pointed out that it was Muslims killing Muslims, you say that it doesn't matter who used them. You may not realize it, but ignoring that means you also must ignore the religion of the ones being targeted since one proves the other irrelevant since the religion was not why they were being attacked.

Re read it again, I never stated it wasn't Muslims v Muslims. Which is why I said the president should take the opportunity to make it look like our response is a humanitarian one and one that values all Muslim lives, not just ones that agree with us or about the ones that don't agree with us.

I'll ask you again, why do "they" hate us?
 
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Angry Irishman

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Too bad the republicans were calling him a socialist while the democrats were bashing him for not being democrat enough. He's been the most right leaning of the democrat presidents in recent history, yet you have idiots frothing at the mouth about how he's a Kenyan muslim socialist.

I would think the Republicans would glad to see a democrat acting like a republican, but you just can't please some people.


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Right leaning.....umm nope. Perhaps you didn't listen to his last inauguration speech?
 

Angry Irishman

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If a republican like McCain suggests the exact same thing, it's ok, but if it's Obama, since he's the big "O'bummer" bad black man, suddenly the exact same idea is horrible?

Try thinking outside the box for a change.

Jackasses on both sides of the aisle...fact. Divide and conquer is working though...for the government.
 

Angry Irishman

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Yeah, you aren't getting it. Our mission will be to destroy chemical weapons depots or manufacturing plants, we won't be taking out assad, therefore we won't actually be picking a side.
Picking a side in this conflict that has nothing to do with us is the worst possible option and a lose lose. Taking a stand against chemical weapons regardless of who uses them is a noble thing to do. Doing nothing is akin to sitting out while the nazis rounded up German Jews. How many lives would have been saved had someone stepped up and condemned such action before it grew into what it eventually became?

And I'm curious, why do they hate us?

Do you really think it's that simple? I certainly hope not. There is nothing "surgical" about any military strike even with those newfangled smart weapons.
 

Angry Irishman

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Who said anything about being simple?

The comment stating we won't be actually picking a side and we are waging war against inanimate objects. That's even more silly than saying guns kill people without a person pulling the trigger.

People are going to die and by default we will be taking sides. In any case the US is most certainly taking sides against Assad as a selling point if one chooses to really believes that nonsense. There is no "set to stun" option here and neither side is worth one American life.
 
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Genx87

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Yeah, you aren't getting it. Our mission will be to destroy chemical weapons depots or manufacturing plants, we won't be taking out assad, therefore we won't actually be picking a side.
Picking a side in this conflict that has nothing to do with us is the worst possible option and a lose lose. Taking a stand against chemical weapons regardless of who uses them is a noble thing to do. Doing nothing is akin to sitting out while the nazis rounded up German Jews. How many lives would have been saved had someone stepped up and condemned such action before it grew into what it eventually became?

And I'm curious, why do they hate us?

Ahh yes the invoking of Goodwins law.

Why do they hate us? I'll start with the fact we have been running around bombing muslims under the guise of "freedum" or "national security" for decades. Yet here you are with some stupid idea that bombing Muslims will bring them to our side and be a PR win. It is simply mind boggling how you came to that conclusion.
 

Smoblikat

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Just read an article saying that Assad is moving military equipment to residential areas. Are we going to bomb those areas? Our only hope now is that Obama is forcibly removed from office.

You would prefer Biden o_O
 

Angry Irishman

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You would prefer Biden o_O

Oh good Lord no....

I did get a chance to briefly meet him a few weeks back when he came through for a gas and stop. I don't care much for his politics but I thought he was very personable and even jovial in person.