Obama - no to Keystone pipeline

[Jhhnn]

It's making the news and it has lots of things that interest everyone in this country.

You're a political neophyte if you think this isn't resonating around the country. How many people do you know that don't like and respect Canada? Obama slapped them in the face with this decision. This project would provide the U.S. with more oil, more jobs, more energy security at a very, very small price. Only a blindly partisan Democrat ass kisser wouldn't see how cynically political this move was by Obama.

Canadians, I'm sure, understand that Repubs forced the issue for attempted political gain, just as they forced the debt ceiling fracas which resulted in a downgrade of US govt securities. They realize that Obama would reject the pipeline when forced into a corner. It's essentially Repubs who have pushed the pipeline further into the future by their own actions, trying to paint Obama in a bad light. They knew it full well all along, so it's not like they're really pushing for the pipeline in a reasonable fashion- they'd rather sacrifice it on the altar of faux outrage they have created.

They're desperate to paint Obama as a "Job Destroyer" even as they already destroyed millions of jobs & attempt to destroy even more jobs by orders of magnitude than this pipeline would ever create. This won't even make a dent in the massive unemployment left behind by the collapse of the greatest Repub sponsored credit bubble in the history of finance. Nor would it be a pimple on the ass of the massive unemployment their "smaller govt" plans would create.

It's not like this country will obtain more oil out of the deal, anyway, given that it's slated for export, or that helping Canadians deplete their reserves faster will increase our energy security, either.

Resonate? Only in the Right Wing Echo Chamber.

 

[spidey07]

LMAO

No one is shedding a tear about these fake invisible were never going to happen in the first place jobs other than the feigned indignant rabid right crybabies.

Let's see what happens when he's pounded over the head with it in ads around election time. It's a clear cut example of his anti-jobs, anti-energy policies and how dangerous his policies and administration are to this nation.

Why, Obama? Why do you keep killing jobs and opportunity? Is it because in your mind the days of keeping our house at 70 degrees and driving a large car are over? Because his policies, words, deeds and actions prove yes, he does believe it. May fuck be upon him and any who support him.

 

[umbrella39]

Try and have some semblance of self-respect and stop pretending to care about these "jobs". You come off as a sad clown when you pull 180's like that.

The only time you EVER talk about people out of work or jobs is when you are calling them lazy piles of shit who are drains on society. You care so much you continually inform us that you are stocking up for the class war. You pretend care about union workers whom you can't wait to climb the walls of your fortress so you can finally get some use out of that M134 minigun. Just stop.

 

[michal1980]

Try and have some semblance of self-respect and stop pretending to care about these "jobs". You come off as a sad clown when you pull 180's like that.

The only time you EVER talk about people out of work or jobs is when you are calling them lazy piles of shit who are drains on society. You care so much you continually inform us that you are stocking up for the class war. You pretend care about union workers whom you can't wait to climb the walls of your fortress so you can finally get some use out of that M134 minigun. Just stop.

And Obama killing the pipeline shows he cares about jobs?

LOL.


Please liberals are the ones that tell people they are too stupid all the time. And that without liberals there lives would be terrible. Because only liberals and goverment can solve all of lifes problems and create utopia.

Heck your entire post is exactly that.

 

[Jhhnn]

Let's see what happens when he's pounded over the head with it in ads around election time. It's a clear cut example of his anti-jobs, anti-energy policies and how dangerous his policies and administration are to this nation.

Why, Obama? Why do you keep killing jobs and opportunity? Is it because in your mind the days of keeping our house at 70 degrees and driving a large car are over? Because his policies, words, deeds and actions prove yes, he does believe it. May fuck be upon him and any who support him.

What'll happen is that reasonable people will see it all for the red herring it really is, another grandstanding episode from Repubs who've proven that they don't give a damn about working people or jobs in the slightest.

And they'll be given ample opportunity to prove that over and over again between now and the election.

 

[monovillage]

".............I am sure there are folks whose concerns are narrowly about the Ogallala or other enivornmental and NIMBY concerns along the proposed route. But the US has tens of thousands of miles of petroleum pipelines, many cris-crossing this same general area. There is nothing unprecedented or unmanageable about this particular line. Had these routing issues been the actual problem, the Obama Administration could easily have approved the line with conditions or route modifications."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/warrenmeyer/2012/01/19/keystone-xl-voting-for-the-stone-age/

 

[Jhhnn]

".............I am sure there are folks whose concerns are narrowly about the Ogallala or other enivornmental and NIMBY concerns along the proposed route. But the US has tens of thousands of miles of petroleum pipelines, many cris-crossing this same general area. There is nothing unprecedented or unmanageable about this particular line. Had these routing issues been the actual problem, the Obama Administration could easily have approved the line with conditions or route modifications."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/warrenmeyer/2012/01/19/keystone-xl-voting-for-the-stone-age/

If the terms in the legislation offered options for conditions or modifications, you'll need to cite them.

Near as I can tell, the terms were "We're giving you 60 days, asshole, to take it or leave it."

Obama left it.

The attributions in your linked article are straight from the right wing spindizzy, btw. What Obama actually said-

Obama, in his statement, pinned the blame for the decision on the Republicans for trying to push the administration to an earlier deadline. "The rushed and arbitrary deadline insisted on by congressional Republicans prevented a full assessment of the pipeline's impact, he said. "This announcement is not a judgment on the merits of the pipeline, but the arbitrary nature of a deadline that prevented the state department from gathering the information necessary to approve the project and protect the American people.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jan/18/obama-administration-rejects-keystone-xl-pipeline

 

[monovillage]

Darn those Republicans for forcing Obama to make a choice before the election.

 

[NeoV]

the right wing cooks on this board crack me up, they cling to any potential anti-Obama story like a newborn to a bottle or a tit

This is another non-story.

All of the 'why Obama why' BS and no consideration of the 'why the need for a 60 day deadline' ? There are 2 parties involved here, not just one side = good, the other side = bad. You may be that simple, but the real world isn't.

 

[senseamp]

Republicans are going to overplay this, make themselves look like the corporate tools that they are.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

the right wing cooks on this board crack me up, they cling to any potential anti-Obama story like a newborn to a bottle or a tit

This is another non-story.

All of the 'why Obama why' BS and no consideration of the 'why the need for a 60 day deadline' ? There are 2 parties involved here, not just one side = good, the other side = bad. You may be that simple, but the real world isn't.

I also like clinging to the second option.......

 

[Jhhnn]

Darn those Republicans for forcing Obama to make a choice before the election.

Well, they don't really have much in the way of substantial issues, or non-contradictory initiatives, so they need to make some up, see if they can bandwagon something, anything to distract the electorate from their own behavior.

It's a Terri Schiavo/ Elian Gonzales kind of thing...

 

[Carmen813]

This thing sounds like a terrorist target.

 

[J-Money]

This thing sounds like a terrorist target.

There is already a bajllion pipelines in the exact same areas that could be. 1 more isn't going to change anything.

 

[umbrella39]

And Obama killing the pipeline shows he cares about jobs?

LOL.


Please liberals are the ones that tell people they are too stupid all the time. And that without liberals there lives would be terrible. Because only liberals and goverment can solve all of lifes problems and create utopia.

Heck your entire post is exactly that.

LOL you answered to an insane spidey reply with silly nonsense, congrats! Pst, yer plonked, ignore my posts.

 

[monovillage]

LOL you answered to an insane spidey reply with silly nonsense, congrats! Pst, yer plonked, ignore my posts.

Why would anyone ignore your posts when you make such an ass out of yourself all the time and invite responses? Part of the fun of posting at ATP&N is making fun of pompous twits.

 

[umbrella39]

Pokes knuckle dragging ALT with stick... you look good sitting next to him at the kids table. Hush...

 

[tweaker2]

There is already a bajllion pipelines in the exact same areas that could be. 1 more isn't going to change anything.

Pardon my using your post to make a point unrelated to yours.

Those bajillion pipelines went through the same time consuming approval process that this newly proposed pipeline has been going through, only the Repubs are slapping a 60 day time limit on it purely for political gain.

It's so blatantly obvious how the Repubs are playing political poker with this pipeline that I can't see how anyone can construe this any other way other than those Repubs who want to play this lame blame game in the first place.

 

[dmcowen674]

".............I am sure there are folks whose concerns are narrowly about the Ogallala or other enivornmental and NIMBY concerns along the proposed route. But the US has tens of thousands of miles of petroleum pipelines, many cris-crossing this same general area. There is nothing unprecedented or unmanageable about this particular line. Had these routing issues been the actual problem, the Obama Administration could easily have approved the line with conditions or route modifications."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/warrenmeyer/2012/01/19/keystone-xl-voting-for-the-stone-age/

OK, is this Journalist you? What a bunch of right wing bull.

Of course you won't mention the fact that this particular pipeline cuts off the Midwest.

Why do you and this Journalist FAIL to mention that fact?

 

[michal1980]

Pardon my using your post to make a point unrelated to yours.

Those bajillion pipelines went through the same time consuming approval process that this newly proposed pipeline has been going through, only the Repubs are slapping a 60 day time limit on it purely for political gain.

It's so blatantly obvious how the Repubs are playing political poker with this pipeline that I can't see how anyone can construe this any other way other than those Repubs who want to play this lame blame game in the first place.

Pst. The pipeline approval process didn't start 60 days ago.

Obama tried to delay it to after the election for personal political gain.

 

[Jhhnn]

Pst. The pipeline approval process didn't start 60 days ago.

Obama tried to delay it to after the election for personal political gain.

Whatever his reasons, he's done that all along. It's clear that he has the power & the right to do so as Prez.

Political gain? I think you're misidentifying who started this fracas with political gain in mind- Republicans.

When you got nothin' but failure under your belt, you need to make up something, anything, to try to drag down the opposition.

When your own policy creates nearly 20M un & under employed Americans, rave about a few 1000 pipeline jobs as if they'll save the economy from your own mismanagement.

When your own Neocon ambitions of world dominance by military means creates failure in Iraq & Afghanistan, never admit you were wrong.

When going to war & cutting top tier taxes simultaneously creates massive budget deficits, demand cuts, cuts, cuts! in the benefits afforded to the weakest members of society.

When the credit bubble collapse of the Ownership Society demands bank bailouts & reform, socialize the losses, privatize the profits, thwart reform so as to maintain socialism for the Rich. Demand more tax cuts for the mythical Job Creators, as if they were actually creating jobs in this country, as if a lack of capital were holding them back.

Given the acrobatic exploits of the Repub leadership, it's remarkable that their fanbois can keep their noses firmly embedded in the buttcracks of that leadership. But they do- they hold on for dear life, afraid they'll be set adrift otherwise, afraid to even open their eyes lest they become disoriented & dizzy...

 

[the DRIZZLE]

Whatever his reasons, he's done that all along. It's clear that he has the power & the right to do so as Prez.

Yes, Obama has the power to fuck over the country for his own benefit and the people have the right to call him out on it. Are you actually saying that we can't criticize the president when he uses his discretion inappropriately?

Your post completely ignores the substance of the issue.

 

[monovillage]

Yes, Obama has the power to fuck over the country for his own benefit and the people have the right to call him out on it. Are you actually saying that we can't criticize the president when he uses his discretion inappropriately?

Your post completely ignores the substance of the issue.

Well said.

 

[Darwin333]

".............I am sure there are folks whose concerns are narrowly about the Ogallala or other enivornmental and NIMBY concerns along the proposed route. But the US has tens of thousands of miles of petroleum pipelines, many cris-crossing this same general area. There is nothing unprecedented or unmanageable about this particular line. Had these routing issues been the actual problem, the Obama Administration could easily have approved the line with conditions or route modifications."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/warrenmeyer/2012/01/19/keystone-xl-voting-for-the-stone-age/

The Obama administrations own State Department conducted a study and concluded that the proposed route was in fact the best option.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, Obama has the power to fuck over the country for his own benefit and the people have the right to call him out on it. Are you actually saying that we can't criticize the president when he uses his discretion inappropriately?

Your post completely ignores the substance of the issue.

Heh. There's as much substance to the issue as there is substance to a gnat in a gymnasium.

Context matters, and in the context of Repub accomplishments, it's like focusing on the gnat to the exclusion of all else.

OMG! It's a horrible, horrible gnat! Something must be done, Immediately! Who the hell let that thing in here, anyway? What an Idiot! Why, the damned thing will lead to the fall of the Republic and make baby Jesus cry! It's not a gnat, it's... Cthulu!

No! Noooo! Nooooo! Aieeeeee!

Like I offered- it's another one of those Terri Schiavo/ Elian Gonzales things- obfuscation & distraction, a big empty emotionally charged bandwagon going nowhere.