Obama - no to Keystone pipeline

[GuitarDaddy]

The president definately did the right thing.

This project has very little potential to create permenant jobs and revenue for the US. You could create more permenant jobs and revenue by building a few Mc Donalds. And the potential environmental downside is HUGE for this project.

Not to mention the repubs have tried to completely bypass any critical review of the project and shove it down our throats all for the benifit of a handful of their oil company cronies.

 

[thraashman]

The president definately did the right thing.

This project has very little potential to create permenant jobs and revenue for the US. You could create more permenant jobs and revenue by building a few Mc Donalds. And the potential environmental downside is HUGE for this project.

Not to mention the repubs have tried to completely bypass any critical review of the project and shove it down our throats all for the benifit of a handful of their oil company cronies.

Well remember, to Republicans the word "oil" is never bad (even if immediately followed by the word "spill"). And the words "environment", "safety", and "regulation" are always bad. The word "reasonible" is not in their vocabulary, and the word "fucktard" is pretty much an accurate description of anyone with an (R) associated to them.

 

[Darwin333]

You're talking about Canada, not Zimbabwe. The United States can just take it by force. The US can rescind any recognition of Canadian sovereignty. That is quite a bit of leverage.

Let me get this straight, instead of letting the Canadians build this pipeline your backup plan is to invade Canada and build it ourselves???? Did you seriously just post that? At the very least why not let them spend their money to build the pipeline and then invade them and "take it by force"?

Not much of our imports come from the ME.

Enough to royally fuck our economy if they abruptly stop.

Moreover, why are Canadian imports preferred over Middle Eastern? That's a value judgment that I don't share.

Because they aren't taking the money we send them and using it to try and blow us up? Because they are just a tad more stable than the ME region? Because they can transport it to us in the safest way possible?

I was directly asked about Canada's actions and its effects upon me. You were not asked about anything.

Ahh, my apologies. I didn't realize that you and someone else were both talking about something irrelevant to the conversation.

 

[Darwin333]

What is a reasonable time frame? Will a reasonable time frame overlap with the lifetime of the pipeline?

How about we use 2 decades and work from there.

 

[michal1980]

I've said (in multiple posts now) the pipeline should be allowed after the routing issue was resolved. Nebraska isn't exactly liberal stronghold in case you haven't looked. What should not have happened is Congress sticking their nose into it trying to force the approval ahead of the IG report. Odds are TransCanada would have rerouted the pipeline to follow existing ones and negated the entire issue even before the IG was done.

Wrong.

Obama delayed the decision to after the election because of politics. He didnt want to upset private sector unions when he was going to deny them jobs.

He was always going to reject the pipeline.

 

[soundforbjt]

Because they aren't taking the money we send them and using it to try and blow us up? Because they are just a tad more stable than the ME region? Because they can transport it to us in the safest way possible?

Why do we bother using any arab oil? If Canada has enough leftover to export, why not get it from Canada and tell the arabs to pound sand? We can then not worry about the middle east and bring our troops home and close some bases.

 

[monovillage]

Well remember, to Republicans the word "oil" is never bad (even if immediately followed by the word "spill"). And the words "environment", "safety", and "regulation" are always bad. The word "reasonible" is not in their vocabulary, and the word "fucktard" is pretty much an accurate description of anyone with an (R) associated to them.

The word "reasonible" isn't in our vocabularies because it's misspelled! However reasonable is in our vocabularies. I usually try to avoid the word "fucktard", but after your post I can see it fits you like a glove.

 

[etrigan420]

I usually try to avoid the word "fucktard", but after your post I can see it fits you like a glove.

Thus proving his point...

Obama did the right thing.

Repub wanted to force the issue, he put their dicks in the dirt.

Bummer about those 2 guys that wont be getting either one of the long term jobs the pipeline would have created though, I feel bad for them.

 

[Darwin333]

Why do we bother using any arab oil? If Canada has enough leftover to export, why not get it from Canada and tell the arabs to pound sand? We can then not worry about the middle east and bring our troops home and close some bases.

This pipeline would pave the road to us being able to do that.

 

[monovillage]

Thus proving his point...

Obama did the right thing.

Repub wanted to force the issue, he put their dicks in the dirt.

Bummer about those 2 guys that wont be getting either one of the long term jobs the pipeline would have created though, I feel bad for them.

I think we'll see this is going to be a negative issue for Obama in the coming election. I think it's going to hurt him politically with the Independents and the uncommitted. Let's see how it plays out.

 

[Darwin333]

The president definately did the right thing.

This project has very little potential to create permenant jobs and revenue for the US. You could create more permenant jobs and revenue by building a few Mc Donalds. And the potential environmental downside is HUGE for this project.

Not to mention the repubs have tried to completely bypass any critical review of the project and shove it down our throats all for the benifit of a handful of their oil company cronies.

You mean like Obama's State Departments study on the environmental impact?

 

[Fern]

well, how much costlier would it be for Canada to take it to their West coast? Probably not ideal with that terrain.
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I haven't visited that part of the world so am not very familiar with it personally. But I'm thinking the Rocky Mtns are in the way of any West coast pipeline. If so, I think that would be a difficult project for any number of reasons, including the need to pump that oil over the mountains.

Fern

 

[monovillage]

I haven't visited that part of the world so am not very familiar with it personally. But I'm thinking the Rocky Mtns are in the way of any West coast pipeline. If so, I think that would be a difficult project for any of reasons, including the pump that oil over the mountains.

Fern

It's not that bad in some areas, maybe they could run it alongside a new high speed rail line and get the billions in funding that way? It would also make it more palatable to all but the most strident environmentalist groups.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Thus proving his point...

Obama did the right thing.

Repub wanted to force the issue, he put their dicks in the dirt.

Bummer about those 2 guys that wont be getting either one of the long term jobs the pipeline would have created though, I feel bad for them.

As opposed to all those long-term jobs that the stimulus bill was supposed to create? Even if the pipeline jobs arent' 'long term', they're private sector jobs, not tax draining, debt raising public sector jobs.

 

[michal1980]

More centrally planed business

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-administration-says-no-oil-yes-biofuels

Obama gives money to biofuel plant.

So the president says no to privately funded jobs, but yes to publicly funded ones?


Again, can someone on the left tell me how this is not socialism?

 

[Joepublic2]

Seems like a dumb move, we need more private sector jobs now more than ever.

Smart move by Obama. The jobs argument is empty rhetoric, and protecting exports from Venezuela is just the usual hogwash from the usual suspects.

Hearing Obama haters whine about "short sightedness," lol god that's good stuff.
I guess all those jobs created by the Transcontinental pipeline are still there huh?

Oil from tar sands is a stupid idea, good riddance.

Why is the protecting exports from Venezuela so far fetched, the Obama administration and Chavez administration are pretty tight. Temporary jobs are still way better than no jobs.

Why is oil from tar sands such a bad idea? The only thing I really know about shale oil is that it's more expensive than well oil and it hasn't made economic sense to extract it until just recently; from what I'm reading about it it doesn't seem to be as dirty or dangerous as deep well offshore drilling, which I'm not necessarily against, either, as long as the companies and shareholders doing it are truly held responsible for their actions, which as we saw with BP they are not (the gulf disaster was an accountability, regulatory one more than a technical one IMO).

 

[etrigan420]

As opposed to all those long-term jobs that the stimulus bill was supposed to create?

Are we talking about the stimulus, or the pipeline?

Even if the pipeline jobs arent' 'long term', they're private sector jobs, not tax draining, debt raising public sector jobs.

lolol.

 

[etrigan420]

I think we'll see this is going to be a negative issue for Obama in the coming election. I think it's going to hurt him politically with the Independents and the uncommitted. Let's see how it plays out.

Meh, like most anything, it all depends on how either group plays it.

I don't think it's going to hurt him with right leaning independents as much as it's going to help him with left leaning ones...but who knows?

 

[CitizenKain]

More centrally planed business

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-administration-says-no-oil-yes-biofuels

Obama gives money to biofuel plant.

So the president says no to privately funded jobs, but yes to publicly funded ones?


Again, can someone on the left tell me how this is not socialism?

So how is socialism?

 

[Whiskey16]

I haven't visited that part of the world so am not very familiar with it personally. But I'm thinking the Rocky Mtns are in the way of any West coast pipeline.

Four mountain ranges on a direct route to Kitimat. That northern section of the Rockies is the easiest of them.

The Trans Mountain Pipeline from Alberta to Vancouver was approved and built in the 1950's through National Parks and multiple First Nations territory. As such, approved expansion of that is unlikely along with any future development upon that same route.

The proposed Enbridge northern route is likely a no go as all but one First Nations along the route are adamantly opposed to such development upon their territory. Not even this current antagonistic federal government could have a mind to impose such will.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

nvm

 

[Jhhnn]

I think we'll see this is going to be a negative issue for Obama in the coming election. I think it's going to hurt him politically with the Independents and the uncommitted. Let's see how it plays out.

I doubt that. The whole thing is a contrived fracas by Repubs, another chunk of red meat for their base, and a duh-version from the real reasons we have a depressed economy- their own policies during the Bush years, and extending back to Reagan.

Couple Repub raving over a few thousand pipeline jobs with their demands to cut the federal workforce by 10%, millions of jobs, to see the disconnect. It's bullshit, and anybody with more than a few grey cells to rub together knows it.

 

[monovillage]

I doubt that. The whole thing is a contrived fracas by Repubs, another chunk of red meat for their base, and a duh-version from the real reasons we have a depressed economy- their own policies during the Bush years, and extending back to Reagan.

Couple Repub raving over a few thousand pipeline jobs with their demands to cut the federal workforce by 10%, millions of jobs, to see the disconnect. It's bullshit, and anybody with more than a few grey cells to rub together knows it.

It's making the news and it has lots of things that interest everyone in this country.

You're a political neophyte if you think this isn't resonating around the country. How many people do you know that don't like and respect Canada? Obama slapped them in the face with this decision. This project would provide the U.S. with more oil, more jobs, more energy security at a very, very small price. Only a blindly partisan Democrat ass kisser wouldn't see how cynically political this move was by Obama.

 

[spidey07]

Not only that it will piss off the unions. There are very few Americans that he didn't piss off.

Why, Obama? Why?

 

[umbrella39]

LMAO

No one is shedding a tear about these fake invisible were never going to happen in the first place jobs other than the feigned indignant rabid right crybabies.