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[NYT] Jeb Bush Listed Himself as 'Hispanic' on Voter Form

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werepossum said:
Hmm, that's a good idea.

As to Bush's blunder, I'll hold off making a judgement until we get a formal ruling from Fauxcahontas, but I'll accept most superficial reasons to avoid another Bush or Clinton. No more political dynasties, please.
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Goddamn, if only there was a way for Democrats and Republicans to mutually agree to not vote for Bush or Clinton in the primaries. I would happily make that deal, and not even because I have any particular issue with either. I also want to move on from Clinton/Bush.

bshole said:
Sorry to disappoint you but Bush has already wrapped up the Republican nomination. Money determines elections and the mountains of money Bush is sitting on has ended this race before it ever started. That ship has sailed. Your only chance for new blood will be on the Democratic side. I haven't seen Hillary's numbers yet but I am guessing she hasn't raised enough to buy the election....
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I don't really see who the alternative would be on the R side. On the D side either, but it's still early.
 
eskimospy said:
Not only does that not have anything in it about Obama, but that is as bullshit a source as I've seen in a long time.



A right wing editorial guy and a 'student of presidential IQs' decided to extrapolate IQ by comparing the two guys' scores on two different tests from different years that have never been checked for any measure of reliability between each other. That's an F in any class.

If anyone actually buys that shit that's just embarrassing. Saying Bush had a higher IQ than Kerry based on that is grade A horseshit.
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DSF being a dishonest hack again, surprise surprise! I've lost count of how many times he's honked off about something and his support either says nothing close to what he says it does, or he's simply delivering cherry-picked points that he 'interprets.' You guys always take the time to try and make him smarter too (or at least less intellectually dishonest) - I think he owes someone money at this point. 😉

It's 2015, Bush voters. Time to stop being in denial about the guy! Back in 2004 I started asking people to point me to something that indicated Bush had a brain and could talk while thinking on his feet relating to politics. I've been wanting to find an example of him speaking intelligently regarding ANY topic related to politics - so far nothing, zip, nada. His professors in school thought he was lazy and entitled, utterly forgettable, and the string of business handouts, then subsequent failures, would indicate business brains also elude the man. His time in the White House did nothing to change that perception either.

My request still stands. Anyone got a link or clip of Bush making his own informed statements about say, history? A real link I mean, not a DSF link. I don't want to raise the bar too much and suggest science or math, I'm just looking for an easy, very basic example. Anyone?
 
kage69 said:
DSF being a dishonest hack again, surprise surprise! I've lost count of how many times he's honked off about something and his support either says nothing close to what he says it does, or he's simply delivering cherry-picked points that he 'interprets.' You guys always take the time to try and make him smarter too (or at least less intellectually dishonest) - I think he owes someone money at this point. 😉

It's 2015, Bush voters. Time to stop being in denial about the guy! Back in 2004 I started asking people to point me to something that indicated Bush had a brain and could talk while thinking on his feet relating to politics. I've been wanting to find an example of him speaking intelligently regarding ANY topic related to politics - so far nothing, zip, nada. His professors in school thought he was lazy and entitled, utterly forgettable, and the string of business handouts, then subsequent failures, would indicate business brains also elude the man. His time in the White House did nothing to change that perception either.

My request still stands. Anyone got a link or clip of Bush making his own informed statements about say, history? A real link I mean, not a DSF link. I don't want to raise the bar too much and suggest science or math, I'm just looking for an easy, very basic example. Anyone?
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Which Bush?

W is actually really interesting to listen to in regards to non political things. The main problem is he doesn't do a ton of interviews, so he's not in the press much. If you are talking about Jeb or HW, I can't help. I can't say I've ever heard HW speak since he left office and I've never heard Jeb talk. I'm sure they have, I've just not watched.
 
rudeguy said:
Which Bush?

W is actually really interesting to listen to in regards to non political things. The main problem is he doesn't do a ton of interviews, so he's not in the press much. If you are talking about Jeb or HW, I can't help. I can't say I've ever heard HW speak since he left office and I've never heard Jeb talk. I'm sure they have, I've just not watched.
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If GWB still drank I would probably enjoy going out with him for a beer more than any president in a long time. (I imagine Obama is probably not that interesting in person and think Clinton would talk too much)

I think he was a bad president because he was incurious, stubborn, and analytically lazy. I'm sure he would be awesome to talk to, just wasn't so good at the country running thing.
 
eskimospy said:
If GWB still drank I would probably enjoy going out with him for a beer more than any president in a long time. (I imagine Obama is probably not that interesting in person and think Clinton would talk too much)

I think he was a bad president because he was incurious, stubborn, and analytically lazy. I'm sure he would be awesome to talk to, just wasn't so good at the country running thing.
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And if I still drank, I'd have a beer with Obama. Some of the videos of him away from the spotlight show he is actually an ok guy. And Clinton? Man you know that guy has some stories!

Just because we disagree on things and argue doesn't mean we can't get along. Some of my best friends are raging commie bastards like you. We have a blast arguing and insulting each other.

I firmly believe that us disagreeing and arguing is what makes this country great. It's how new ideas come along and how things change. So we need dirt bags like you around 😛
 
Baasha said:
The notion that the Bush family was lacking in common sense was no surprise.

However, Jeb Bush listing himself as 'Hispanic' to sweep the Latino vote is downright fraudulent and controversial.

Everyone thought Jeb was a brighter bulb than George, but this lame move on his part leaves one to question his judgment. 😀

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...isted-himself-as-hispanic-on-voter-form/?_r=0

My bet is still that Hillary will sweep the 2016 elections.
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Re: Bold. WTH are you talking about?

1. How would voters be expected to know how he filled out his own voter registration form? You do understand that that's the form to allow him to vote, right? It's not an application to run for office.

2. It was in 2009. He was already out of office as the FL gov and he hasn't run for office since 2009. It's been about 6 years.

I don't know if it was a mistake, and if not why he did it, but it sure as hell couldn't be "to sweep the Latino vote".

Fern
 
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rudeguy said:
And if I still drank, I'd have a beer with Obama. Some of the videos of him away from the spotlight show he is actually an ok guy. And Clinton? Man you know that guy has some stories!

Just because we disagree on things and argue doesn't mean we can't get along. Some of my best friends are raging commie bastards like you. We have a blast arguing and insulting each other.

I firmly believe that us disagreeing and arguing is what makes this country great. It's how new ideas come along and how things change. So we need dirt bags like you around 😛
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I have a few friends who have 'met' Clinton, in that they have been at an event where he was shaking hands and saying quick words to people, etc. they say his charisma is off the charts.

I'm glad to hear that some of your good friends are so different! The world tends to self sort in unhealthy ways. Several of my friends here are finance people and we have some pretty sharply different ideas, haha.
 
eskimospy said:
I have a few friends who have 'met' Clinton, in that they have been at an event where he was shaking hands and saying quick words to people, etc. they say his charisma is off the charts.

I'm glad to hear that some of your good friends are so different! The world tends to self sort in unhealthy ways. Several of my friends here are finance people and we have some pretty sharply different ideas, haha.
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I like people who speak their minds and stand up for what they believe in. Even if we don't agree. ..hell...especially if we don't agree! My one buddy is a big old black guy who loves Obama and is a cop. We get brutal with each other but end up crying laughing because one of us always goes too far. I love that kind of thing where you can argue to death but never take it personal.

I try to remember on here that not everyone is like that but I get carried away sometimes. Then I feel bad and post a silly picture.
 
kage69 said:
DSF being a dishonest hack again, surprise surprise! I've lost count of how many times he's honked off about something and his support either says nothing close to what he says it does, or he's simply delivering cherry-picked points that he 'interprets.' You guys always take the time to try and make him smarter too (or at least less intellectually dishonest) - I think he owes someone money at this point. 😉

It's 2015, Bush voters. Time to stop being in denial about the guy! Back in 2004 I started asking people to point me to something that indicated Bush had a brain and could talk while thinking on his feet relating to politics. I've been wanting to find an example of him speaking intelligently regarding ANY topic related to politics - so far nothing, zip, nada. His professors in school thought he was lazy and entitled, utterly forgettable, and the string of business handouts, then subsequent failures, would indicate business brains also elude the man. His time in the White House did nothing to change that perception either.

My request still stands. Anyone got a link or clip of Bush making his own informed statements about say, history? A real link I mean, not a DSF link. I don't want to raise the bar too much and suggest science or math, I'm just looking for an easy, very basic example. Anyone?
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Here's a source indicating that Bush had a higher SAT score than Kerry. Sorry if my posting style somehow bothers you. I don't have a lot of time to spend responding to the pack-like aggression that's so pervasive here.

http://www.universitylanguage.com/blog/20/famous-sat-scores/
 
Got me, he just have been thinking he was his wife atm 😛

I've mentioned it enough before, have met Jeb, like him actually, but still won't vote for him.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Here's a source indicating that Bush had a higher SAT score than Kerry. Sorry if my posting style somehow bothers you. I don't have a lot of time to spend responding to the pack-like aggression that's so pervasive here.

http://www.universitylanguage.com/blog/20/famous-sat-scores/
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Style doesn't enter into it.

Just to clarify, what I posted was:

"I've been wanting to find an example of him speaking intelligently regarding ANY topic related to politics - so far nothing, zip, nada. His professors in school thought he was lazy and entitled, utterly forgettable, and the string of business handouts, then subsequent failures, would indicate business brains also elude the man. His time in the White House did nothing to change that perception either.

My request still stands. Anyone got a link or clip of Bush making his own informed statements about say, history?"

So, is it your "style" that made you imagine Obama in any of your links? Just to clarify things a bit more for you, your words were:

"Yet George Bush had a higher IQ than Kerry and his SAT score was most likely higher than Obama's. That brings us to two possibilities...Bush wasn't as dumb as he looked or perhaps Kerry and Obama are not nearly as intelligent as they appear to be."

What can I say, you're easy to call. I cite your hackish ways, and in response you oblige me with an example. Nice link, but not one that makes me gain any confidence in the SATs, or standardized testing in general really. That same page shows W and Bill Cosby both representing great reasons why.

It doesn't matter. I doubt you and your kind will ever stop clinging to the fantasy of W's 8 year long spectacle of fail somehow meaning nothing. He 'just isn't a good speaker', yeah that's it!
 
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Newell Steamer said:
Bush accidentally labels himself a Hispanic: STFU you sensationalist LULbiral buffoons. You asshats are always reaching and making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Ammo is classified in the wrong category: DUR GUNNA TAKE UR GUNZ!!!
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BULLSHIT! This won't get near coverage as the rightwing nutjob birtherism nonsense. In that case Obama did nothing.
 
kage69 said:
Style doesn't enter into it.

Just to clarify, what I posted was:

"I've been wanting to find an example of him speaking intelligently regarding ANY topic related to politics - so far nothing, zip, nada. His professors in school thought he was lazy and entitled, utterly forgettable, and the string of business handouts, then subsequent failures, would indicate business brains also elude the man. His time in the White House did nothing to change that perception either.

My request still stands. Anyone got a link or clip of Bush making his own informed statements about say, history?"

So, is it your "style" that made you imagine Obama in any of your links? Just to clarify things a bit more for you, your words were:

"Yet George Bush had a higher IQ than Kerry and his SAT score was most likely higher than Obama's. That brings us to two possibilities...Bush wasn't as dumb as he looked or perhaps Kerry and Obama are not nearly as intelligent as they appear to be."

What can I say, you're easy to call. I cite your hackish ways, and in response you oblige me with an example. Nice link, but not one that makes me gain any confidence in the SATs, or standardized testing in general really. That same page shows W and Bill Cosby both representing great reasons why.

It doesn't matter. I doubt you and your kind will ever stop clinging to the fantasy of W's 8 year long spectacle of fail somehow meaning nothing. He 'just isn't a good speaker', yeah that's it!
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I was responding to your first paragraph only (which I thought was obvious and in hindsight I should have clipped the remainder of your post). Please know that I have zero intent to engage in any discussion with you regarding the efficacy of Bush's presidency....especially since you apparently already "know" what I believe. I've found long ago that reasoned discussion is impossible with those who can only think in terms of stereotypes and strawmen.
 
bshole said:
Sorry to disappoint you but Bush has already wrapped up the Republican nomination. Money determines elections and the mountains of money Bush is sitting on has ended this race before it ever started. That ship has sailed. Your only chance for new blood will be on the Democratic side. I haven't seen Hillary's numbers yet but I am guessing she hasn't raised enough to buy the election....
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Mrs. Clinton started out with far more money than Obama and got roundly beaten. Money is certainly a big factor, but it's not the only factor.

Blackjack200 said:
Goddamn, if only there was a way for Democrats and Republicans to mutually agree to not vote for Bush or Clinton in the primaries. I would happily make that deal, and not even because I have any particular issue with either. I also want to move on from Clinton/Bush.

I don't really see who the alternative would be on the R side. On the D side either, but it's still early.
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Yeah, I'd take that deal too.

The chances of either party nominating someone for whom I actually want to vote, let alone am excited to vote, is vanishingly low. It's vastly more likely that the other party nominates someone I'm motivated to vote against.
 
ivwshane said:
By spamming I assume you mean, inconvenient facts, so yeah, lots and lots of spam. Its all good, we all know you use a "spam" blocker😉
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He's a moron who has followed me to at least 2 different forums. He lives with mommy and daddy, doesn't work, doesn't go to school and is damn near 30. I have no respect for him and hope he falls in a hole.
 
bshole said:
Sorry to disappoint you but Bush has already wrapped up the Republican nomination. Money determines elections and the mountains of money Bush is sitting on has ended this race before it ever started. That ship has sailed. Your only chance for new blood will be on the Democratic side. I haven't seen Hillary's numbers yet but I am guessing she hasn't raised enough to buy the election....
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Don't agree with your comment about money. You may be interested in this:

In a paper that tried to isolate the effect of spending in campaigns, here’s what Steve Levitt found:

LEVITT: When a candidate doubled their spending, holding everything else constant, they only got an extra one percent of the popular vote. It’s the same if you cut your spending in half, you only lose one percent of the popular vote. So we’re talking about really large swings in campaign spending with almost trivial changes in the vote.
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What Levitt’s study suggests is that money doesn’t necessarily cause a candidate to win — but, rather, that the kind of candidate who’s attractive to voters also ends up attracting a lot of money. So winning an election and raising money do go together, just as rain and umbrellas go together. But umbrellas don’t cause the rain. And it doesn’t seem as if money really causes electoral victories either, at least not nearly to the extent that the conventional wisdom says. For every well-funded candidate who seems to confirm that money buys elections (paging Michael Bloomberg), you can find counterexamples like Meg Whitman, Linda McMahon, Steve Forbes, and Tom Golisano.
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http://freakonomics.com/2012/01/12/does-money-really-buy-elections-a-new-marketplace-podcast/

I don't know who'll win the nomination. But I do know that the highway to Presidential nominations is littered with the carcasses of 'front runners'.

And to put it simply: It's just way too dang early to tell.

Fern
 
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