[NYT] Jeb Bush Listed Himself as 'Hispanic' on Voter Form

[Rakehellion]

Please tell me how a voter ID system would prevent minorities from voting.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Please+tell+me+how+a+voter+ID+system+would+prevent+minorities+from+voting.+

 

[rudeguy]

Apparently Jeb Bush can't.

I've never seen "American" on one of those check boxes.

I purposefully mess up the results because its a stupid question. Race isn't supposed to matter.

 

[Moonbeam]

I think the parties are the result of the voters, not the other way around. We have brainwashed ourselves.

I see a circle. We live in a world of competition with put downs going to the losers. This feeling of worthlessness creates need and self deception. It creates ego that attaches to externals that promise self importance and value, the group, the tribe, the nation, the church, the party, etc. We didn't do this to ourselves directly. It is the result of language, the abstraction of things, the possibility to think and divide, to separate the unity of existence and experience into the past and the future, to create concepts that have no existence, that one thing is good and another evil, which we soon applied to ourselves. Now we have language and we can cause pain with words, vibrations in the air that have no objective meaning. Our egos are fabrications of things that do not exist, fabrications of identity designed to help us escape from our pain. The cunning and the vile, the egotistical, instinctively use this to manipulate others for their own self advantage. We cooperate because we are in pain and have need.

 

[thraashman]

Wait...what? That's your whole case? Some guy saying that voter registration would help a candidate?

Maybe he was right? Maybe that would have prevented Donald Duck and all the dead people from voting for Obama?

Either way, your whole argument is wrong. Please tell me how a voter ID system would prevent minorities from voting.

And oh yea...just because something happened a long time ago doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Democrats are the only part who have actively sought to prevent minorities from voting. You guys wear that badge of honor, not us.

How voter ID laws are being used to disenfranchise minorities

Voter ID laws analysis shows they could make fraud worse and disenfranchise

approximately 11 percent of Americans don’t have a government-issued photo ID

The Big Lie Behind Voter ID Laws

in at least two states — Kansas and Tennessee — they appear to have reduced turnout by 2 percent to 3 percent, according to a report released last week by the Government Accountability Office.

Voter ID laws, as their supporters know, do only one thing very well: They keep otherwise eligible voters away from the polls. In most cases, this means voters who are poor, often minorities, and who don’t have the necessary documents or the money or time to get photo IDs.

Fox News Admits WI Voter ID Laws May Disenfranchise Voters

Study: Voter ID law would exclude up to 700,000 young minorities


I could keep going, but you get the idea... Ok, a smart person would get the idea, you will likely ignore the facts and deny the truth while spewing some hateful and idiotic drivel. But you'll do so after having been given more than enough evidence to prove you wrong beforehand.

 

[fskimospy]

Wait...what? That's your whole case? Some guy saying that voter registration would help a candidate?

Maybe he was right? Maybe that would have prevented Donald Duck and all the dead people from voting for Obama?

Either way, your whole argument is wrong. Please tell me how a voter ID system would prevent minorities from voting.

And oh yea...just because something happened a long time ago doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Democrats are the only part who have actively sought to prevent minorities from voting. You guys wear that badge of honor, not us.

Sorry guy, you're wrong again.

In preclearance (southern) states between 1982 and 2006 (most recent full VRA reauthorization period) the DOJ blocked more than 700 attempted voting changes, the vast majority of which were blocked due to racially discriminatory intent. Quite a lot of those places were run by Republicans.

For a rundown, read Ginsburg's summary of the evidence, it starts on page 13 of her dissent.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-96_6k47.pdf

 

[her209]

I've never seen "American" on one of those check boxes.

I purposefully mess up the results because its a stupid question. Race isn't supposed to matter.

You don't see it because "American" isn't a race, its a nationality.

 

[HomerJS]

Wait...what? That's your whole case? Some guy saying that voter registration would help a candidate?

Maybe he was right? Maybe that would have prevented Donald Duck and all the dead people from voting for Obama?

Either way, your whole argument is wrong. Please tell me how a voter ID system would prevent minorities from voting.

And oh yea...just because something happened a long time ago doesn't mean that it didn't happen. Democrats are the only part who have actively sought to prevent minorities from voting. You guys wear that badge of honor, not us.

I'm not going to do your work. That's just one example, many others. BTW - I consider this significant since this guy is the Speaker of House for PA not just "some guy"

 

[HomerJS]

Sorry guy, you're wrong again.

In preclearance (southern) states between 1982 and 2006 (most recent full VRA reauthorization period) the DOJ blocked more than 700 attempted voting changes, the vast majority of which were blocked due to racially discriminatory intent. Quite a lot of those places were run by Republicans.

For a rundown, read Ginsburg's summary of the evidence, it starts on page 13 of her dissent.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-96_6k47.pdf

that's ok he's wrong alot

 

[HomerJS]

Same here pretty much, with the caveat that it's pretty funny to hear silence and crickets coming from the mental midgets who call Elizabeth Warren "Fauxohontas".

Guess it doesn't count if you're running for office?

I'll answer. She probably did it because it would be advantageous at the time.

Since white males made up the 1/8 rule I don't have a problem with it.

 

[rudeguy]

that's ok he's wrong alot

I am!

But at least I'm not afraid to think for myself and not believe every lie I'm told.

 

[IronWing]

I am!

But at least I'm not afraid to think for myself and not believe every lie I'm told.

Which one did you miss?

 

[rudeguy]

Which one did you miss?

the one where black people can't afford a car or even bus fare.

 

[thraashman]

I am!

But at least I'm not afraid to think for myself and not believe every lie I'm told.

I disagree, you appear to believe EVERY SINGLE lie that you're told by the right wing bullshit machine.

 

[HomerJS]

the one where black people can't afford a car or even bus fare.

Nobody said that.

BTW - Still waiting for the "evidence" of widespread voter fraud. Even when these cases make it to court Republicans still can't show.

Virtually every study shows statistically it doesn't exist.

 

[thraashman]

Nobody said that.

BTW - Still waiting for the "evidence" of widespread voter fraud. Even when these cases make it to court Republicans still can't show.

Virtually every study shows statistically it doesn't exist.

The problem here is that we're arguing with someone who actually agrees with us. Rudeguy, like all conservatives, know perfectly well that there's no vote fraud to stop with voter ids. And they know perfectly well that voter id laws actually disenfranchise. There is not a single fucking conservative who actually believes these voter id laws do what they claim to do. Every single last one is 100% aware the purpose of these laws is to disenfranchise legal voters who are more likely to vote democrat. They LIKE that these laws do that. It's part of the conservative mindset. The same one that likes the lies Fox News or Breitbart tells them. They feel that to cheat to win is still winning. They know that they cannot win based on policies because their policies are harmful for a majority of the nation. They don't care. They're driven by their sick ideology.

The simple truth of the matter is that to be a conservative one has to be a despicable human being. So lying, cheating, destructive behavior, being a general piece of shit, all those are something they're ok with because they're, for lack of a better word, pure evil.

 

[ivwshane]

I am!

But at least I'm not afraid to think for myself and not believe every lie I'm told.

Oh you like to think you think for yourself but there isn't much thinking going on with you. You remind me of an articulate incorruptible

 

[rudeguy]

Oh you like to think you think for yourself but there isn't much thinking going on with you. You remind me of an articulate incorruptible

Simple is good!

 

[boomerang]

The same day in this country when police don't include it in their description of a wanted suspect.

Yeah, I can hear it now: Be on the lookout for a human. :thumbsup:

 

[norseamd]

Yeah, I can hear it now: Be on the lookout for a human.

Hey now I bet the cops in this country would love that shit so they can club and shoot to death everyone they see.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The simple truth of the matter is that to be a conservative one has to be a despicable human being. So lying, cheating, destructive behavior, being a general piece of shit, all those are something they're ok with because they're, for lack of a better word, pure evil.

Tell me something...do you actually believe you're relatively intelligent?

 

[Baasha]

To those saying it's a 'non-story', it would be, if Jeb was a random Joe.

He isn't. He is running for POTUS. Also, the Latino vote has predominantly always swung to the Democrat side so this little faux pas of his has serious consequences.

Also, I did think Jeb was right of center until I heard the shenanigans he pulled regarding his daughter's drug arrest and his shameless excuse for her behavior while simultaneously imposing harsh sentences for minor drug offences on others. Yea, that "equality and justice for all."

George was dumb. Jeb is shrewd. I'd take dumb over a shrew any day of the week.

 

[Brainonska511]

To those saying it's a 'non-story', it would be, if Jeb was a random Joe.

He isn't. He is running for POTUS. Also, the Latino vote has predominantly always swung to the Democrat side so this little faux pas of his has serious consequences.

Also, I did think Jeb was right of center until I heard the shenanigans he pulled regarding his daughter's drug arrest and his shameless excuse for her behavior while simultaneously imposing harsh sentences for minor drug offences on others. Yea, that "equality and justice for all."

George was dumb. Jeb is shrewd. I'd take dumb over a shrew any day of the week.

There are a lot more important issues that stand out as reasons to not vote for Jeb. A checkbox on a voter registration form is a stupid story. If you have to resort to stories like this to justify some position, then I guess that's good for you, but it's like tilting at windmills.

If you want an example of a better issue to focus on: using the force of government to get between a husband and wife and trying to overturn a judicial decision (see: Terry Schiavo).

 

[norseamd]

There are a lot more important issues that stand out as reasons to not vote for Jeb. A checkbox on a voter registration form is a stupid story. If you have to resort to stories like this to justify some position, then I guess that's good for you, but it's like tilting at windmills.

And I am going to make another discussion about one of those concerns.

 

[Baasha]

There are a lot more important issues that stand out as reasons to not vote for Jeb. A checkbox on a voter registration form is a stupid story. If you have to resort to stories like this to justify some position, then I guess that's good for you, but it's like tilting at windmills.

If you want an example of a better issue to focus on: using the force of government to get between a husband and wife and trying to overturn a judicial decision (see: Terry Schiavo).

That may be true if this incident was isolated. It isn't. It shows a pattern of poor judgment and/or willful manipulation; both of which are (or should be) bad in the eyes of the common voter.

People in positions of power, or those trying to get there, have to be scrutinized much more; with great power comes great responsibility. Jeb Bush showing a cavalier attitude towards issues like this should make one stand back and wonder what else he is capable of. That is all. This incident did not happen in a vacuum.

 

[Jimzz]

To those saying it's a 'non-story', it would be, if Jeb was a random Joe.

He isn't. He is running for POTUS. Also, the Latino vote has predominantly always swung to the Democrat side so this little faux pas of his has serious consequences.

Also, I did think Jeb was right of center until I heard the shenanigans he pulled regarding his daughter's drug arrest and his shameless excuse for her behavior while simultaneously imposing harsh sentences for minor drug offences on others. Yea, that "equality and justice for all."

George was dumb. Jeb is shrewd. I'd take dumb over a shrew any day of the week.

It is a non-story as he gained nothing from it. Its as much a story as Obamas birth certificate and other fringe "stories".

Only people that get worked up over things like this are the extreme nuts on both sides of the 2 major parties.