nVidia HQ AF problems again

[FalllenAngell]

Originally posted by: DeathReborn
Some people just find no "fun" in games anymore it seems.

Apparently the "fun" is in putting down the video card you don't have these days.

I joined the board because I thought it would be nice to see what the gamers are saying about hardware these days, looks sort of like a "Ford vs Chevy" war.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: Ackmed

And yes he did put words in my mouth. "You act like everything is rendered purple and they don't want to admit it! " I didnt act or say anything like that. Some NV fans just dont like to hear the truth, that NV is behind in the IQ dept, and that shimmering is a problem to some people.

Wow, you guys really go at it about the video cards.

I was just trying to say that it seems to me you're making a bigger deal out of this than it is. (like when my buddies tried to tell me my X800s AF was some sort of big driver cheat)

What's weird to me is that for something that's such a big deal to some of you isn't the focal point of every review on the web. I've barely seen it mentioned at all.

The size of the "deal" it is, is subjective. You may not notice it a lot, but I do. So it is a big deal to me. But as I said, I dont notice it in every game, so in the games I dont notice is, its not a big deal. Also, as I said, it depends on the hardware as well. I notice it a lot more on LCD's, than CRT's. I dont know why that is, its just my opinion.

I dont know why its not in reviews, some reviews clearly see it as well. Brent has posted about it several times, yet its never in reviews. In fact, the first day I got my GTX, I made a post about it on HardOCP. I had just changed over from a X850 to a GTX, and noticed it right off the bat. Who was the first to respond and to help me get rid of most of it? Brent. Setting it the HQ, and Clamp does help, but its still clearly there to me. Most reviews dont even cover SLI/Super AA, TRAA/AAA, or any thing else other than the cookie cutter mold that reviews have been stuck in for the past several years.

Originally posted by: DeathReborn
The reason most reviews don't mention it is the fact that it's not a widespread concern. It's just those fanboys & IQ Cultists that blow things out of proportion. Yes there is some shimmering in BF2 etc BUT I don't see it when i'm blowing the living hell out of people.

They could make games thsat look like crap but if they're fun to play then i'm all for it. Some people just find no "fun" in games anymore it seems.

It sure seems to be a pretty widespread concern judging by how many people are bothered by it in this topic alone. You dont have to be a fanboy, or an IQ cultist to be bothered by it. But nice sladering generalization.

Sure there are times when I dont notice it, like as you said, when lots of action is on the screen. A LOT of the time in BF2 on certain maps, is walking, or driving a long distance. At that time, its very easy to see, and annoying.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: Ackmed

And yes he did put words in my mouth. "You act like everything is rendered purple and they don't want to admit it! " I didnt act or say anything like that. Some NV fans just dont like to hear the truth, that NV is behind in the IQ dept, and that shimmering is a problem to some people.

Wow, you guys really go at it about the video cards.

I was just trying to say that it seems to me you're making a bigger deal out of this than it is. (like when my buddies tried to tell me my X800s AF was some sort of big driver cheat)

What's weird to me is that for something that's such a big deal to some of you isn't the focal point of every review on the web. I've barely seen it mentioned at all.

Welcome back Rollo.

Its hilarious how the nVidia defenders have nothing to refute the evidence provided by 3D Center or other users yet decide to attack other 7800 owners like Ackmed that have a problem with shimmering. While you zealots may want Ackmed and others to "****** off from nVidia" I doubt nVidia wants its customers defecting to ATi because it has subpar AF. Anyhow, to repeat for the umpteenth time, this issue is about the fact that HQ AF is supposed to disable all opts (still angle dependent) in OpenGL but that does not occur; the user has to manually turn them off and when they do, they get a performance penalty as a result. What this could mean is that all OpenGL benchmarks out there utilizing HQ AF for nVidia cards could be exaggerated and may need to be revisited.

 

[FalllenAngell]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
The size of the "deal" it is, is subjective. You may not notice it a lot, but I do. So it is a big deal to me. But as I said, I dont notice it in every game, so in the games I dont notice is, its not a big deal. Also, as I said, it depends on the hardware as well. I notice it a lot more on LCD's, than CRT's. I dont know why that is, its just my opinion.

I dont know why its not in reviews, some reviews clearly see it as well. Brent has posted about it several times, yet its never in reviews. In fact, the first day I got my GTX, I made a post about it on HardOCP. I had just changed over from a X850 to a GTX, and noticed it right off the bat. Who was the first to respond and to help me get rid of most of it? Brent. Setting it the HQ, and Clamp does help, but its still clearly there to me. Most reviews dont even cover SLI/Super AA, TRAA/AAA, or any thing else other than the cookie cutter mold that reviews have been stuck in for the past several years.

Who's "Brent"?

Sorry to hear it bothers you so much, I don't play much BF2, and don't notice it much in the games I do play.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: xtknight
NVIDIA cards have 'HQ AF'? :Q

I think that's a misnomer if they're talking about the 'image quality' adjustment. I was pretty sure the HQ meant it was rendered in GL_LINEAR_MIPMAP_LINEAR (and d3d) equivalent, not that it was anything angle-independent like ATI's.

Well...?

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell
Who's "Brent"?

Author Brent Justice from HardOCP?

 

[FalllenAngell]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Welcome back Rollo.

Who's "Rollo"?

Its hilarious how the nVidia defenders have nothing to refute the evidence provided by 3D Center or other users yet decide to attack other 7800 owners like Ackmed that have a problem with shimmering. While you zealots may want Ackmed and others to "****** off from nVidia" I doubt nVidia wants its customers defecting to ATi because it has subpar AF. Anyhow, to repeat for the umpteenth time, this issue is about the fact that HQ AF is supposed to disable all opts (still angle dependent) in OpenGL but that does not occur; the user has to manually turn them off and when they do, they get a performance penalty as a result. What this could mean is that all OpenGL benchmarks out there utilizing HQ AF for nVidia cards could be exaggerated and may need to be revisited.

I don't think I've "defended" anyone, or "attacked" anyone here. I've only noted that I haven't noticed the distortion between mipmap transitions much, and the reviews don't seem to either, so to me it seems like another "ATI AF is bad!" type situation like my friends were trying to bug me about in 2004. It looked fine to me then like the 7800GTX quality mode does now.

 

[FalllenAngell]

Originally posted by: xtknight
Author Brent Justice from HardOCP?

LOL- sorry, I read a fair amount of reviews, I've never paid attention to who writes them.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: Ackmed

And yes he did put words in my mouth. "You act like everything is rendered purple and they don't want to admit it! " I didnt act or say anything like that. Some NV fans just dont like to hear the truth, that NV is behind in the IQ dept, and that shimmering is a problem to some people.

Wow, you guys really go at it about the video cards.

I was just trying to say that it seems to me you're making a bigger deal out of this than it is. (like when my buddies tried to tell me my X800s AF was some sort of big driver cheat)

What's weird to me is that for something that's such a big deal to some of you isn't the focal point of every review on the web. I've barely seen it mentioned at all.

Welcome back Rollo.

Its hilarious how the nVidia defenders have nothing to refute the evidence provided by 3D Center or other users yet decide to attack other 7800 owners like Ackmed that have a problem with shimmering. While you zealots may want Ackmed and others to "****** off from nVidia" I doubt nVidia wants its customers defecting to ATi because it has subpar AF. Anyhow, to repeat for the umpteenth time, this issue is about the fact that HQ AF is supposed to disable all opts (still angle dependent) in OpenGL but that does not occur; the user has to manually turn them off and when they do, they get a performance penalty as a result. What this could mean is that all OpenGL benchmarks out there utilizing HQ AF for nVidia cards could be exaggerated and may need to be revisited.

so does the image quality noticeably improve when manually turning them off?

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Ackmed, you know as well as I do that any annoyance derived from shimmering for any particular person, is relative to that particular person. The only person you can speak for is yourself of course. There are a whole lot of other people who probably have worse shimmering than you do, and don't even notice it. The only "fact" you provide here is that you are annoyed by your vid cards shimmering. "Badly" is also relative to the person using the word to describe it.

When you say "badly" it makes it sound like its a bad thing. When in reality, it is hardly noticable unless you're looking for it. And I know you look for it as any ATI fan using an nvidia card would. And I mean, you must really look. No words in your mouth here bud. And nobody did put words in your mouth. It's just you having a tantrum over someone contradicting you. This is what I see when you describe your shimmering woes. That person said, "you may as well say it rendered in purple" and not "You said it rendered in purple". Big difference.

So, keep it real please.

Anyone can see you are not.

I am "keeping it real". Its far from "hardly noticable" to me. And its much more noticable on a LCD with a higher res, than your little CRT. Certain games do it worse than others. Ive said before that BF2 is my favorite game right now, and I play it the most. It also happens to be one of the worst offenders of shimmering to me. Lost Coast in HL2 also does it, even worse than BF2. Im sorry you dont like to hear it, but I dont really care.

And yes he did put words in my mouth. "You act like everything is rendered purple and they don't want to admit it! " I didnt act or say anything like that. Some NV fans just dont like to hear the truth, that NV is behind in the IQ dept, and that shimmering is a problem to some people. I didnt throw a tantrum, that would be your pall otis, why not say the same thing to him?

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

ackmed should just ****** off and buy an X1900 so we dont have to hear his petty arguments about ****** like this. im sorry but its pathetic. its like he doesnt play the games, he just sits there with his telescope out looking for places where NV dont do as well as ATI

ackmed seriously if you dont like the shimmering you can see, suck it up, sell the GTX (or GTX's) and just buy a goddamn ATI card

Wow, are you 12 or what? Again, dont put words in my mouth. I do not need a telescope, its VERY easy to see. I play games very often, probably too much. My BF2 hours are pretty high... I got GTX's because the X1800 was late, and my X850XT/PE couldnt run games at 1920x1200 well enough for me. And my GTX's are sold. I believe NV has the better multi card solution still, and I need multi cards to run 1920x1200 faster enough for me sadly. I dont think its too much to ask, for NV go give us the consumers HQ AF and at least try to match ATi's IQ. I think they will, but the fact is, they dont right now. They've gone backwards since the FX series.

what ever dude your still making mountain out of a mole hill. ill agree 100% that ATI > NV in the IQ stakes, i dont doubt it for one second, upon close inspection watching my mates new X1800 you can tell the difference. but once your actually focusing on playing the game, and not wether theres a shimmer miles away in the distance, you just dont notice it. i play alot of BF2, even though it gets absurdly boring, and i honestly have to look for this "shimmer"

cross fire is now a very able platform and getting better with every revision, i think you should consider it.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: Ackmed

And yes he did put words in my mouth. "You act like everything is rendered purple and they don't want to admit it! " I didnt act or say anything like that. Some NV fans just dont like to hear the truth, that NV is behind in the IQ dept, and that shimmering is a problem to some people.

Wow, you guys really go at it about the video cards.

I was just trying to say that it seems to me you're making a bigger deal out of this than it is. (like when my buddies tried to tell me my X800s AF was some sort of big driver cheat)

What's weird to me is that for something that's such a big deal to some of you isn't the focal point of every review on the web. I've barely seen it mentioned at all.

Welcome back Rollo.

Its hilarious how the nVidia defenders have nothing to refute the evidence provided by 3D Center or other users yet decide to attack other 7800 owners like Ackmed that have a problem with shimmering. While you zealots may want Ackmed and others to "****** off from nVidia" I doubt nVidia wants its customers defecting to ATi because it has subpar AF. Anyhow, to repeat for the umpteenth time, this issue is about the fact that HQ AF is supposed to disable all opts (still angle dependent) in OpenGL but that does not occur; the user has to manually turn them off and when they do, they get a performance penalty as a result. What this could mean is that all OpenGL benchmarks out there utilizing HQ AF for nVidia cards could be exaggerated and may need to be revisited.

Here we go again! similar to this thread

Joker's AEG witch hunting begins again on innocent members.

What is wrong with "defending nvidia" ? Does it automatically mark people as proNvidia or AEG ? you are way out of control lately, Joker.

How much shimmering there is, is subjective. It is a well known bug and with the 80s driver its not that bad anymore.
since the amount of shimmering is subjective, his reason / evidence to refute is based on his experience with the card, and therefore it is valid.
I don't see you yourself using a 7800, so you have no evidence of shimmering ( at least with the newest driver), so you are basing your entire conclusion on a reviewer's view of shimmmering, which is in term " subjective" over "subjective"... umm . it looks like you are the one who has nothing to retute / stand on in blindly believing a reviews subjective view on a subjective problem. ..

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: Ackmed
You post about shimming, was the game. It shimmers on every card. Its a simple fact that NV cards have far more shimmering than ATi's. Some people just dont want to admit it.

LOL

These message boards are a riot.

I have a 7800GTX, and while it may not have all the bells and whistles of the new ATI cards, I don't notice the distortion at the mipmap boundaries much either.

You act like everything is rendered purple and they don't want to admit it!

The simple fact is that is my GTX's shimmer, badly in my favorite game, BF2. And a lot in HL2 as well. I didnt act as if its rendered purple, dont put words in my mouth. It is very annoying however. Im glad that it doesnt bother you, but it is an issue for many others. And for others its not.

Ackmed, you know as well as I do that any annoyance derived from shimmering for any particular person, is relative to that particular person. The only person you can speak for is yourself of course. There are a whole lot of other people who probably have worse shimmering than you do, and don't even notice it. The only "fact" you provide here is that you are annoyed by your vid cards shimmering. "Badly" is also relative to the person using the word to describe it.

When you say "badly" it makes it sound like its a bad thing. When in reality, it is hardly noticable unless you're looking for it. And I know you look for it as any ATI fan using an nvidia card would. And I mean, you must really look. No words in your mouth here bud. And nobody did put words in your mouth. It's just you having a tantrum over someone contradicting you. This is what I see when you describe your shimmering woes. That person said, "you may as well say it rendered in purple" and not "You said it rendered in purple". Big difference.

So, keep it real please.

Anyone can see you are not.

ackmed should just ****** off and buy an X1900 so we dont have to hear his petty arguments about ****** like this. im sorry but its pathetic. its like he doesnt play the games, he just sits there with his telescope out looking for places where NV dont do as well as ATI

ackmed seriously if you dont like the shimmering you can see, suck it up, sell the GTX (or GTX's) and just buy a goddamn ATI card

Agreed!

 

[crazydingo]

People who dont notice shimmering; good for you! dont click on this thread and related topics.

People who notice shimmering; participate and hope it gets fixed.

Honestly if you are in former group, why do you have a problem. Its not a problem to you, good for you. Enjoy. Why do you have a problem with others wanting it to be fixed.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: crazydingo
People who dont notice shimmering; good for you! dont click on this thread and related topics.

People who notice shimmering; participate and hope it gets fixed.

Honestly if you are in former group, why do you have a problem. Its not a problem to you, good for you. Enjoy. Why do you have a problem with others wanting it to be fixed.

But didn't you try to point out that this thread was not about shimmering? And even went as far to say that I should "read" the thread and quote and bold someones statements?
I truly wish you all would make up your minds and actually know what the point is that you're trying to convey. One guy says its not about shimmering, but about optimizations not being turned off when HQ is set. Another guy says, If you don't notice shimmering, don't click on this thread (inside the thread :roll: ) but if you do, you are welcome.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: crazydingo
People who dont notice shimmering; good for you! dont click on this thread and related topics.

People who notice shimmering; participate and hope it gets fixed.

Honestly if you are in former group, why do you have a problem. Its not a problem to you, good for you. Enjoy. Why do you have a problem with others wanting it to be fixed.

But didn't you try to point out that this thread was not about shimmering? And even went as far to say that I should "read" the thread and quote and bold someones statements?
I truly wish you all would make up your minds and actually know what the point is that you're trying to convey. One guy says its not about shimmering, but about optimizations not being turned off when HQ is set. Another guy says, If you don't notice shimmering, don't click on this thread (inside the thread :roll: ) but if you do, you are welcome.

BIG SIGH

Obviously you want to derail the thread with personal arguments. The point of this thread is that HQ mode in OpenGL doesnt turn off all the opts. *Some* people have the opinion that to bench fairly, you have to set the mode to HQ for Nvidia cards. With this new development that doesnt hold true.

Another reason to go HQ mode is to lessen shimmering (the point you keep harping on and how it doesnt effect you). Like I said above, good for you. But you shouldnt have a problem with others raising the issue and trying to get it corrected. After all you have nothing to lose but looks like you are overtly sensitive when an issue regarding one IHV comes up, guess which one?

If you want to argue further, keep it to PMs.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
This is more than about shimmering with nVidia. The entire point of that article is that you STILL have shimmering in HQ AF in OpenGL because opts are not turned off. Once they are turned off manually, you get a performance penalty. This has nothing to do with ATi but its funny seeing the usual suspects trying to deflect the issue at hand.

Do you have a nVidia card that this seems bother you so much?

From the looks of that article, you can enable the high quality if you desire anyway?

He had a GTX I believe.

I find it funny that we went through a 1200 oage thread to get rid of Rollo, but now that he's gone, Joker has taken on the role of posting any negative article he can find about Nvidia. The same thing Rollo used to do with articles about ATI. And boy that sure did piss off the ATI fanbois.

Should I have tucked the issue away and act like it doesn't exist? If ATi had a similar problem I'd be talking about it as well. I'm particularly picky about the AF issue with nVidia cards because it's the one thing that always bothered me about my GTX.

ok, talk about this ATI problem as well
purpose dots rendering.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: crazydingo
People who dont notice shimmering; good for you! dont click on this thread and related topics.

People who notice shimmering; participate and hope it gets fixed.

Honestly if you are in former group, why do you have a problem. Its not a problem to you, good for you. Enjoy. Why do you have a problem with others wanting it to be fixed.

But didn't you try to point out that this thread was not about shimmering? And even went as far to say that I should "read" the thread and quote and bold someones statements?
I truly wish you all would make up your minds and actually know what the point is that you're trying to convey. One guy says its not about shimmering, but about optimizations not being turned off when HQ is set. Another guy says, If you don't notice shimmering, don't click on this thread (inside the thread :roll: ) but if you do, you are welcome.

pawned!

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: beggerking
pawned!

You wish.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed


I am "keeping it real". Its far from "hardly noticable" to me. And its much more noticable on a LCD with a higher res, than your little CRT. Certain games do it worse than others. Ive said before that BF2 is my favorite game right now, and I play it the most. It also happens to be one of the worst offenders of shimmering to me. Lost Coast in HL2 also does it, even worse than BF2. Im sorry you dont like to hear it, but I dont really care.

And yes he did put words in my mouth. "You act like everything is rendered purple and they don't want to admit it! " I didnt act or say anything like that. Some NV fans just dont like to hear the truth, that NV is behind in the IQ dept, and that shimmering is a problem to some people. I didnt throw a tantrum, that would be your pall otis, why not say the same thing to him?

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

ackmed should just ****** off and buy an X1900 so we dont have to hear his petty arguments about ****** like this. im sorry but its pathetic. its like he doesnt play the games, he just sits there with his telescope out looking for places where NV dont do as well as ATI

ackmed seriously if you dont like the shimmering you can see, suck it up, sell the GTX (or GTX's) and just buy a goddamn ATI card

Wow, are you 12 or what? Again, dont put words in my mouth. I do not need a telescope, its VERY easy to see. I play games very often, probably too much. My BF2 hours are pretty high... I got GTX's because the X1800 was late, and my X850XT/PE couldnt run games at 1920x1200 well enough for me. And my GTX's are sold. I believe NV has the better multi card solution still, and I need multi cards to run 1920x1200 faster enough for me sadly. I dont think its too much to ask, for NV go give us the consumers HQ AF and at least try to match ATi's IQ. I think they will, but the fact is, they dont right now. They've gone backwards since the FX series.

Again dude, nobody is putting words in your mouth. He said you "ACT like". It is how he perceives the way you act. Who better than to tell you that you are a mediocre, or a great actor than someone other than yourself? This is the way he, and others, perceive you and there is nothing you can do to change that, except to change your mannerism's. Until then, you have to deal with people's comments, like it or not.
Why have you not sold your GTX's if you are so sensitive to shimmering? Is it possibly because you are pleased with the performance and it outweighs your shimmering issues? You tell me.

"Its far from hardly noticable to me." - Exactly what I mean.

"than your little CRT" - So who is twelve?

"Im sorry you dont like to hear it, but I dont really care." - Who says I didn't like to hear it? Are you putting words in my mouth now? The irony. And we all know you don't care about much of anything except ATI.

"Some NV fans just dont like to hear the truth, that NV is behind in the IQ dept, and that shimmering is a problem to some people. I didnt throw a tantrum, that would be your pall otis, why not say the same thing to him?" - Maybe tantrum was the wrong word. I should have said "hissy fit". And why should I say anything derogatory about otis' comments when I agree with him? Sell your GTX's and buy ATi exclusively never even considering Nvidia cards again. Apparently, you seem to be scarred for life. Yet still use the Nv cards. ????? So whats going on upstairs in that grey matter?

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: beggerking
pawned!

You wish.

make up your mind..

Is this thread about :

1. optimization ( for all NV users)?
or
2. whether you notice shimmering or not ( some NV users)?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: ExtremePVDman

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I havent noticed any shimmering, but its obvious the precision isnt changing if the fps doesnt change with it on/off.

Bullshit 101, I play CS:S and I notice the blood stains and some floor tiles have shimmering. This is with a 7800 GT with highest quality in the control panel and the CS:S control panel

Ok? It could be different configurations...

And i havent played CS:S for months if its a new driver bug.

Edit: CS:S is D3D anyway and completely unrelated to this bug. So... cry more?

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: crazydingo
People who dont notice shimmering; good for you! dont click on this thread and related topics.

People who notice shimmering; participate and hope it gets fixed.

Honestly if you are in former group, why do you have a problem. Its not a problem to you, good for you. Enjoy. Why do you have a problem with others wanting it to be fixed.

lol.. now THAT's a solution! only ppl who can slam nv are invited to read this thread

By the way CD, do you own one of these cards and are you being effected/bothered by it?

but back to the topic, can someone who is experiencing this tell me if manually turning these "opts" off noticeably increase image quality?

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: crazydingo
People who dont notice shimmering; good for you! dont click on this thread and related topics.

People who notice shimmering; participate and hope it gets fixed.

Honestly if you are in former group, why do you have a problem. Its not a problem to you, good for you. Enjoy. Why do you have a problem with others wanting it to be fixed.

lol.. now THAT's a solution! only ppl who can slam nv are invited to read this thread

Like always, putting words into my mouth.

People take offense to this issue even when they dont notice it. What do you stand to lose if this is fixed? Nothing.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: crazydingo
Like always, putting words into my mouth.

People take offense to this issue even when they dont notice it. What do you stand to lose if this is fixed? Nothing.

i'm just tired of hearing this crap over and over... shimmering is not even what this thread is about...

and what do you stand to gain from this?

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
i'm just tired of hearing this crap over and over...

I'm too (to an extent) but when I feel so I just dont click on the threads. I think I'm participating in a shimmering thread after a gap of 2-3 months or more.

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
shimmering is not even what this thread is about...

Agree but apparently keysplyr2003 thinks shimmering is the only thing this thread about.

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
and what do you stand to gain from this?

Nothing. I too dont notice shimmering (6600GT) but then I dont game much these days. If Nvidia fixes it, it makes my upgrade more compelling.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: crazydingo
Like always, putting words into my mouth.

People take offense to this issue even when they dont notice it. What do you stand to lose if this is fixed? Nothing.

i'm just tired of hearing this crap over and over... shimmering is not even what this thread is about...

and what do you stand to gain from this?

2nd that! tired of hearing old news over and over.

Obviously nothing is resolved in this thread.

According to the thread about Ati image problem with purple dots , the solution is and has always been
"wait for the next driver update" This applies to ATI as well as NV.