nVidia HQ AF problems again

[FalllenAngell]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: Ackmed
You post about shimming, was the game. It shimmers on every card. Its a simple fact that NV cards have far more shimmering than ATi's. Some people just dont want to admit it.

LOL

These message boards are a riot.

I have a 7800GTX, and while it may not have all the bells and whistles of the new ATI cards, I don't notice the distortion at the mipmap boundaries much either.

You act like everything is rendered purple and they don't want to admit it!

The simple fact is that is my GTX's shimmer, badly in my favorite game, BF2. And a lot in HL2 as well. I didnt act as if its rendered purple, dont put words in my mouth. It is very annoying however. Im glad that it doesnt bother you, but it is an issue for many others. And for others its not.

From what I've read in message boards like this, all video cards have this sort of distortion to some extent in some games?

In reviews, I think I've only seen one or two where the reviewers even noticed it.

Last, I hardly ever notice it on my GTX. (but I don't play BF2)

So I just come to the conclusion it's not that big of a deal, no offense intended.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: Ackmed
You post about shimming, was the game. It shimmers on every card. Its a simple fact that NV cards have far more shimmering than ATi's. Some people just dont want to admit it.

LOL

These message boards are a riot.

I have a 7800GTX, and while it may not have all the bells and whistles of the new ATI cards, I don't notice the distortion at the mipmap boundaries much either.

You act like everything is rendered purple and they don't want to admit it!

The simple fact is that is my GTX's shimmer, badly in my favorite game, BF2. And a lot in HL2 as well. I didnt act as if its rendered purple, dont put words in my mouth. It is very annoying however. Im glad that it doesnt bother you, but it is an issue for many others. And for others its not.

Ackmed, you know as well as I do that any annoyance derived from shimmering for any particular person, is relative to that particular person. The only person you can speak for is yourself of course. There are a whole lot of other people who probably have worse shimmering than you do, and don't even notice it. The only "fact" you provide here is that you are annoyed by your vid cards shimmering. "Badly" is also relative to the person using the word to describe it.

When you say "badly" it makes it sound like its a bad thing. When in reality, it is hardly noticable unless you're looking for it. And I know you look for it as any ATI fan using an nvidia card would. And I mean, you must really look. No words in your mouth here bud. And nobody did put words in your mouth. It's just you having a tantrum over someone contradicting you. This is what I see when you describe your shimmering woes. That person said, "you may as well say it rendered in purple" and not "You said it rendered in purple". Big difference.

So, keep it real please.

Anyone can see you are not.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: Ackmed
You post about shimming, was the game. It shimmers on every card. Its a simple fact that NV cards have far more shimmering than ATi's. Some people just dont want to admit it.

LOL

These message boards are a riot.

I have a 7800GTX, and while it may not have all the bells and whistles of the new ATI cards, I don't notice the distortion at the mipmap boundaries much either.

You act like everything is rendered purple and they don't want to admit it!

The simple fact is that is my GTX's shimmer, badly in my favorite game, BF2. And a lot in HL2 as well. I didnt act as if its rendered purple, dont put words in my mouth. It is very annoying however. Im glad that it doesnt bother you, but it is an issue for many others. And for others its not.

Ackmed, you know as well as I do that any annoyance derived from shimmering for any particular person, is relative to that particular person. The only person you can speak for is yourself of course. There are a whole lot of other people who probably have worse shimmering than you do, and don't even notice it. The only "fact" you provide here is that you are annoyed by your vid cards shimmering. "Badly" is also relative to the person using the word to describe it.

When you say "badly" it makes it sound like its a bad thing. When in reality, it is hardly noticable unless you're looking for it. And I know you look for it as any ATI fan using an nvidia card would. And I mean, you must really look. No words in your mouth here bud. This is what I see when you describe your shimmering woes.

So, keep it real please.

Anyone can see you are not.

good post :thumbsup:

i couldnt have said it better.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: Ackmed
You post about shimming, was the game. It shimmers on every card. Its a simple fact that NV cards have far more shimmering than ATi's. Some people just dont want to admit it.

LOL

These message boards are a riot.

I have a 7800GTX, and while it may not have all the bells and whistles of the new ATI cards, I don't notice the distortion at the mipmap boundaries much either.

You act like everything is rendered purple and they don't want to admit it!

The simple fact is that is my GTX's shimmer, badly in my favorite game, BF2. And a lot in HL2 as well. I didnt act as if its rendered purple, dont put words in my mouth. It is very annoying however. Im glad that it doesnt bother you, but it is an issue for many others. And for others its not.

Ackmed, you know as well as I do that any annoyance derived from shimmering for any particular person, is relative to that particular person. The only person you can speak for is yourself of course. There are a whole lot of other people who probably have worse shimmering than you do, and don't even notice it. The only "fact" you provide here is that you are annoyed by your vid cards shimmering. "Badly" is also relative to the person using the word to describe it.

When you say "badly" it makes it sound like its a bad thing. When in reality, it is hardly noticable unless you're looking for it. And I know you look for it as any ATI fan using an nvidia card would. And I mean, you must really look. No words in your mouth here bud. This is what I see when you describe your shimmering woes.

So, keep it real please.

Anyone can see you are not.

good post :thumbsup:

i couldnt have said it better.

Yeah thanks, but next thing for Ackmed to say is that I'm stalking him which I am not of course. Only commenting on his posts as others do.

 

[CP5670]

I can't make any sense of that translated stuff. What's the article saying? I think I remember reading an English article from the same site on this G70 AF problem several months ago.

I thought it was well known that HQ doesn't eliminate the problem, only alleviates it a bit. You really have to use HQ and LOD clamp together. The shimmering is most easily noticeable in games with simple level geometry but high resolution textures (especially grid/lattice type textures, like small floor tiles), which applies to a lot of older games. I haven't encountered any major performance hit from HQ though, usually less than 5% from what I can make out, although I haven't run any real benchmarks with it. If the performance drop was as big as the 30% that site claims, it would be instantly noticeable.

I don't know why we have to put up with this crap on such expensive video cards. I wonder if the Quadro versions of these cards have the same kind of AF. I doubt it would be acceptable in the workstation market.

 

[5150Joker]

This is more than about shimmering with nVidia. The entire point of that article is that you STILL have shimmering in HQ AF in OpenGL because opts are not turned off. Once they are turned off manually, you get a performance penalty. This has nothing to do with ATi but its funny seeing the usual suspects trying to deflect the issue at hand.

 

[Matt2]

I ahve never ever seen shimmering on my Nvidia cards. Someone name a spot in a game and I will make a video with FRAPs to prove it.

I'm not syaing the shimmering isnt there for a lot of people, but it's not for me and I know plenty of people on this board that haven't seen it either.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
This is more than about shimmering with nVidia. The entire point of that article is that you STILL have shimmering in HQ AF in OpenGL because opts are not turned off. Once they are turned off manually, you get a performance penalty. This has nothing to do with ATi but its funny seeing the usual suspects trying to deflect the issue at hand.

:thumbsup:

 

[FalllenAngell]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
This is more than about shimmering with nVidia. The entire point of that article is that you STILL have shimmering in HQ AF in OpenGL because opts are not turned off. Once they are turned off manually, you get a performance penalty. This has nothing to do with ATi but its funny seeing the usual suspects trying to deflect the issue at hand.

Do you have a nVidia card that this seems bother you so much?

From the looks of that article, you can enable the high quality if you desire anyway?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
This is more than about shimmering with nVidia. The entire point of that article is that you STILL have shimmering in HQ AF in OpenGL because opts are not turned off. Once they are turned off manually, you get a performance penalty. This has nothing to do with ATi but its funny seeing the usual suspects trying to deflect the issue at hand.

Do you have a nVidia card that this seems bother you so much?

From the looks of that article, you can enable the high quality if you desire anyway?

Yes I have a 6800 Go Ultra. I also had a 7800 GTX that I sold last month after owning it since it's release. I think you're missing the point of the article - you can disable opts but with that comes a performance penalty.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
This is more than about shimmering with nVidia. The entire point of that article is that you STILL have shimmering in HQ AF in OpenGL because opts are not turned off. Once they are turned off manually, you get a performance penalty. This has nothing to do with ATi but its funny seeing the usual suspects trying to deflect the issue at hand.

Do you have a nVidia card that this seems bother you so much?

From the looks of that article, you can enable the high quality if you desire anyway?

He had a GTX I believe.

I find it funny that we went through a 1200 oage thread to get rid of Rollo, but now that he's gone, Joker has taken on the role of posting any negative article he can find about Nvidia. The same thing Rollo used to do with articles about ATI. And boy that sure did piss off the ATI fanbois.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
This is more than about shimmering with nVidia. The entire point of that article is that you STILL have shimmering in HQ AF in OpenGL because opts are not turned off. Once they are turned off manually, you get a performance penalty. This has nothing to do with ATi but its funny seeing the usual suspects trying to deflect the issue at hand.

Do you have a nVidia card that this seems bother you so much?

From the looks of that article, you can enable the high quality if you desire anyway?

He had a GTX I believe.

I find it funny that we went through a 1200 oage thread to get rid of Rollo, but now that he's gone, Joker has taken on the role of posting any negative article he can find about Nvidia. The same thing Rollo used to do with articles about ATI. And boy that sure did piss off the ATI fanbois.

I think you are reaching there a bit. Rollo used to create threads on driver release notes .. lol

This is something different, sneaky, not acknowledged.

 

[nib95]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
This is more than about shimmering with nVidia. The entire point of that article is that you STILL have shimmering in HQ AF in OpenGL because opts are not turned off. Once they are turned off manually, you get a performance penalty. This has nothing to do with ATi but its funny seeing the usual suspects trying to deflect the issue at hand.

Do you have a nVidia card that this seems bother you so much?

From the looks of that article, you can enable the high quality if you desire anyway?

He had a GTX I believe.

I find it funny that we went through a 1200 oage thread to get rid of Rollo, but now that he's gone, Joker has taken on the role of posting any negative article he can find about Nvidia. The same thing Rollo used to do with articles about ATI. And boy that sure did piss off the ATI fanbois.

I think you are reaching there a bit. Rollo used to create threads on driver release notes .. lol

This is something different, sneaky, not acknowledged.

You cant compare Rollo to Joker. Joker has posted a trhead thats useful to us as it provides facts. Rollo used to talk crap, with for example, suggestions that a 7800 GTX 512mb was a good investment as a reason to get one over an X1900 XTX.
Hows that for garbage?

Dont compare the users, there is no comparison to make.

 

[FalllenAngell]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
This is more than about shimmering with nVidia. The entire point of that article is that you STILL have shimmering in HQ AF in OpenGL because opts are not turned off. Once they are turned off manually, you get a performance penalty. This has nothing to do with ATi but its funny seeing the usual suspects trying to deflect the issue at hand.

Do you have a nVidia card that this seems bother you so much?

From the looks of that article, you can enable the high quality if you desire anyway?

Yes I have a 6800 Go Ultra. I also had a 7800 GTX that I sold last month after owning it since it's release. I think you're missing the point of the article - you can disable opts but with that comes a performance penalty.

So you apparently think disabling optomizations would not have a performance penalty?!

What would the point of the optomizations be then?

Anyway, so this is a big concern to you on your 6800GO Ultra then? What games are the optomiztions giving you trouble with, and what sort of troubles?
(just curious- I haven't noticed any problems with playing OpenGL games in "Quality Mode" on my 7800GTX, but I've only played a little Riddick and Quake 4. (so I could be missing something)

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
This is more than about shimmering with nVidia. The entire point of that article is that you STILL have shimmering in HQ AF in OpenGL because opts are not turned off. Once they are turned off manually, you get a performance penalty. This has nothing to do with ATi but its funny seeing the usual suspects trying to deflect the issue at hand.

Do you have a nVidia card that this seems bother you so much?

From the looks of that article, you can enable the high quality if you desire anyway?

He had a GTX I believe.

I find it funny that we went through a 1200 oage thread to get rid of Rollo, but now that he's gone, Joker has taken on the role of posting any negative article he can find about Nvidia. The same thing Rollo used to do with articles about ATI. And boy that sure did piss off the ATI fanbois.

Should I have tucked the issue away and act like it doesn't exist? If ATi had a similar problem I'd be talking about it as well. I'm particularly picky about the AF issue with nVidia cards because it's the one thing that always bothered me about my GTX.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
This is more than about shimmering with nVidia. The entire point of that article is that you STILL have shimmering in HQ AF in OpenGL because opts are not turned off. Once they are turned off manually, you get a performance penalty. This has nothing to do with ATi but its funny seeing the usual suspects trying to deflect the issue at hand.

Do you have a nVidia card that this seems bother you so much?

From the looks of that article, you can enable the high quality if you desire anyway?

He had a GTX I believe.

I find it funny that we went through a 1200 oage thread to get rid of Rollo, but now that he's gone, Joker has taken on the role of posting any negative article he can find about Nvidia. The same thing Rollo used to do with articles about ATI. And boy that sure did piss off the ATI fanbois.

I think you are reaching there a bit. Rollo used to create threads on driver release notes .. lol

This is something different, sneaky, not acknowledged.

Maybe.

But anyone with at least a shred of neutrality can see the similiarities.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: nib95

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
This is more than about shimmering with nVidia. The entire point of that article is that you STILL have shimmering in HQ AF in OpenGL because opts are not turned off. Once they are turned off manually, you get a performance penalty. This has nothing to do with ATi but its funny seeing the usual suspects trying to deflect the issue at hand.

Do you have a nVidia card that this seems bother you so much?

From the looks of that article, you can enable the high quality if you desire anyway?

He had a GTX I believe.

I find it funny that we went through a 1200 oage thread to get rid of Rollo, but now that he's gone, Joker has taken on the role of posting any negative article he can find about Nvidia. The same thing Rollo used to do with articles about ATI. And boy that sure did piss off the ATI fanbois.

I think you are reaching there a bit. Rollo used to create threads on driver release notes .. lol

This is something different, sneaky, not acknowledged.

You cant compare Rollo to Joker. Joker has posted a trhead thats useful to us as it provides facts. Rollo used to talk crap, with for example, suggestions that a 7800 GTX 512mb was a good investment as a reason to get one over an X1900 XTX.
Hows that for garbage?

Dont compare the users, there is no comparison to make.

Thank you. Again I just find it funny how the usual suspects are pointing fingers at the messenger and not addressing the actual issue. In fact in the original post I even asked others here with 7800s to evaluate the problem on their own and post it here.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
This is more than about shimmering with nVidia. The entire point of that article is that you STILL have shimmering in HQ AF in OpenGL because opts are not turned off. Once they are turned off manually, you get a performance penalty. This has nothing to do with ATi but its funny seeing the usual suspects trying to deflect the issue at hand.

Do you have a nVidia card that this seems bother you so much?

From the looks of that article, you can enable the high quality if you desire anyway?

He had a GTX I believe.

I find it funny that we went through a 1200 oage thread to get rid of Rollo, but now that he's gone, Joker has taken on the role of posting any negative article he can find about Nvidia. The same thing Rollo used to do with articles about ATI. And boy that sure did piss off the ATI fanbois.

Should I have tucked the issue away and act like it doesn't exist? If ATi had a similar problem I'd be talking about it as well. I'm particularly picky about the AF issue with nVidia cards because it's the one thing that always bothered me about my GTX.

I'm just pointing out the fact that between yesterday and today there are 3 or 4 threads created by you with anti-Nvidia slants. It just seems awfully familiar to Rollo's thread creating habits that everyone hated so much.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
This is more than about shimmering with nVidia. The entire point of that article is that you STILL have shimmering in HQ AF in OpenGL because opts are not turned off. Once they are turned off manually, you get a performance penalty. This has nothing to do with ATi but its funny seeing the usual suspects trying to deflect the issue at hand.

Do you have a nVidia card that this seems bother you so much?

From the looks of that article, you can enable the high quality if you desire anyway?

He had a GTX I believe.

I find it funny that we went through a 1200 oage thread to get rid of Rollo, but now that he's gone, Joker has taken on the role of posting any negative article he can find about Nvidia. The same thing Rollo used to do with articles about ATI. And boy that sure did piss off the ATI fanbois.

Should I have tucked the issue away and act like it doesn't exist? If ATi had a similar problem I'd be talking about it as well. I'm particularly picky about the AF issue with nVidia cards because it's the one thing that always bothered me about my GTX.

I'm just pointing out the fact that between yesterday and today there are 3 or 4 threads created by you with anti-Nvidia slants. It just seems awfully familiar to Rollo's thread creating habits that everyone hated so much.

Rollo posted FUD threads and was called on it. This thread is based on evidence found by a respected website and it's findings have been confirmed by others. If I were looking to post FUD, I would've worded the original post much differently rather than mentioning that some users found no perf. penalty after turning off opts and then asking others here to confirm or refute the findings.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: nib95

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
This is more than about shimmering with nVidia. The entire point of that article is that you STILL have shimmering in HQ AF in OpenGL because opts are not turned off. Once they are turned off manually, you get a performance penalty. This has nothing to do with ATi but its funny seeing the usual suspects trying to deflect the issue at hand.

Do you have a nVidia card that this seems bother you so much?

From the looks of that article, you can enable the high quality if you desire anyway?

He had a GTX I believe.

I find it funny that we went through a 1200 oage thread to get rid of Rollo, but now that he's gone, Joker has taken on the role of posting any negative article he can find about Nvidia. The same thing Rollo used to do with articles about ATI. And boy that sure did piss off the ATI fanbois.

I think you are reaching there a bit. Rollo used to create threads on driver release notes .. lol

This is something different, sneaky, not acknowledged.

You cant compare Rollo to Joker. Joker has posted a trhead thats useful to us as it provides facts. Rollo used to talk crap, with for example, suggestions that a 7800 GTX 512mb was a good investment as a reason to get one over an X1900 XTX.
Hows that for garbage?

Dont compare the users, there is no comparison to make.

Rollo posted articles with facts to back up his claims too. He was just straight forward about it.

Also, he said the 7800GTX 512 was a good investment to turn around and sell for a profit. Big difference.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: nib95

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Matt2

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
This is more than about shimmering with nVidia. The entire point of that article is that you STILL have shimmering in HQ AF in OpenGL because opts are not turned off. Once they are turned off manually, you get a performance penalty. This has nothing to do with ATi but its funny seeing the usual suspects trying to deflect the issue at hand.

Do you have a nVidia card that this seems bother you so much?

From the looks of that article, you can enable the high quality if you desire anyway?

He had a GTX I believe.

I find it funny that we went through a 1200 oage thread to get rid of Rollo, but now that he's gone, Joker has taken on the role of posting any negative article he can find about Nvidia. The same thing Rollo used to do with articles about ATI. And boy that sure did piss off the ATI fanbois.

I think you are reaching there a bit. Rollo used to create threads on driver release notes .. lol

This is something different, sneaky, not acknowledged.

You cant compare Rollo to Joker. Joker has posted a trhead thats useful to us as it provides facts. Rollo used to talk crap, with for example, suggestions that a 7800 GTX 512mb was a good investment as a reason to get one over an X1900 XTX.
Hows that for garbage?

Dont compare the users, there is no comparison to make.

Rollo posted articles with facts to back up his claims too. He was just straight forward about it.

Also, he said the 7800GTX 512 was a good investment to turn around and sell for a profit. Big difference.

We all know what Rollo did and don't care anymore because he's gone. He wasn't banned for his years of trolling, it's his AEG affiliation that got him rightly booted. Now back to the topic.

 

[FalllenAngell]

Originally posted by: Matt2
Also, he said the 7800GTX 512 was a good investment to turn around and sell for a profit. Big difference.

LOL- you guys must be talking about EBay. It's nuts how people there will pay more for something than it costs new there.

I sold a handheld GPS there once for $10 less than I bought it for a year earlier!

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: FalllenAngell

Originally posted by: Matt2
Also, he said the 7800GTX 512 was a good investment to turn around and sell for a profit. Big difference.

LOL- you guys must be talking about EBay. It's nuts how people there will pay more for something than it costs new there.

I sold a handheld GPS there once for $10 less than I bought it for a year earlier!

Hopefully there's someone out there who'll buy my 7800GTs for $300... hehe.

 

[RobertR1]

For the record, my x800xtpe had tons of shimmering in Chronicles of Riddick, regardless of the AI setting. My buddy's 7800GTX KO has a lot of shimmering in BF2 (the only game he really plays) but it doesn't bother him. I played through Chronicles of Riddick because it was a fun game. Shimmering isn't enough to stop be from playing a fun game but given a choice I'd prefer it to be gone.

Hopefully nvidia can fix this Open GL specific issue with their next driver release.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
lol Nvidia cares about its customer :! now to wait and see all AEG member do damage control :!

Most the nV crowd are afraid to speak up because they know they will be accussed of being a AEG witch, and the stake and kindling are just waiting. You ATI "paper boys" practically have a clear playing field for now, so my advice is enjoy it while it last

i would have to agree with you there, im hesitant about posting here now. i have enjoyed the use of NV cards for a long time, i have used ATI as well but nothing more recent than the 9500pro i have.

ive been really pleased with NV purchases and will continue to purchase again (based on research of course) i have to say i really dont notice shimmering, im usually to busy playing the game, Riddick however the shimmer was actually quite a distraction. thats the only time ive noticed it.

i darent actually post anything good or defending nvidia cause ill just get the AEG treatment.

Exactly! like what happened in this thread, I got called out only because I don't agree 1900xtx beat 7800 512 in EVERY benchmark in every game.

Shimmering problem was a known problem for the longest time. I don't see the point of posting this review...
Recent driver helped in lessen shiimmering in some game, but it is still there.