Nvidia delays GTX Titan Z - 790 incoming?

[toyota]

290 is cheaper and faster than 780

290x is slower and cheaper than 780 Ti as it should be. difference is small. They don't just look competitive. They are.

Windforce, Tri-X, Vapor-X, DCU2, PCS+, XFX DD, all those are very cool and very quiet. Just as cool and just as quiet as the nVidia counterparts. The AMD exclusive cards, being cooler and quieter than the nvidia ones.

More power draw? Sure if 30W matters to you? sure. It doesn't to me. Other people can decide that for themselves.

where are you getting that the 290 is faster than the 780? they are basically even overall from what I have seen and the 780 probably has a little more ocing headroom.

 

[RampantAndroid]

The AMD exclusive cards, being cooler and quieter than the nvidia ones.

The stock 290 is much louder than a stock 780ti. This is known. Only when you look at the modified cards with 3x120mm fans on them do they get to be bearable noise wise.

And that's my experience with every AMD card I've ever used as well.

 

[Gikaseixas]

where are you getting that the 290 is faster than the 780? they are basically even overall from what I have seen and the 780 probably has a little more ocing headroom.

From Anand's review:

The 290 is so fast and so cheap that on a pure price/performance basis you won’t find anything quite like it. At $400 AMD is delivering 106% of the $500 GeForce GTX 780’s

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7481/the-amd-radeon-r9-290-review/17

 

[toyota]

From Anand's review:

The 290 is so fast and so cheap that on a pure price/performance basis you won’t find anything quite like it. At $400 AMD is delivering 106% of the $500 GeForce GTX 780’s

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7481/the-amd-radeon-r9-290-review/17

I am not talking about price. lol 6%? there are other reviews where its even closer overall and again the 780 has more ocing headroom from what I understand.

 

[Gikaseixas]

I am not talking about price. lol 6%? there are other reviews where its even closer overall and again the 780 has more ocing headroom from what I understand.

I know you're not talking about price. Look at the performance comment, the number. 6% faster

GTX 780 oc's better, can even surpass if you get a good one (oc is a lotery) but he was saying at stock speeds i guess, out of the box. Anand reviews are pretty accurate, that's why most of us read their articles so i used one example.

Show me a few examples where the GTX 780 was found to be faster in a review. I bet you can't.

Techradar - The 290 then is focused 100% on taking down the GTX 780 and, in gaming performance alone, has it beat almost across the board. It also manages to top the GTX Titan in a few tests too
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc...aphics-cards/amd-radeon-r9-290-1196709/review

Hothardware - the Radeon R9 290 and GeForce GTX 780 traded victories, with the 290 coming out on top in four tests and the GeForce in three
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-Radeon-R9-290-Review-Hawaii-Gets-Cheaper/?page=12#ixzz30VJecDrM

HARDOCP -The AMD Radeon R9 290 provides the same gameplay experience and performance as the GeForce GTX 780 in a single-display gaming environment. The R9 290 provided the same performance as the GTX 780, and sometimes was even faster in terms of raw framerates
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/11/04/amd_radeon_r9_290_video_card_review/9#.U2LEgPldWS4

 

[toyota]

I know you're not talking about price. Look at the performance comment, the number. 6% faster

GTX 780 oc's better, can even surpass if you get a good one (oc is a lotery) but he was saying at stock speeds i guess, out of the box. Anand reviews are pretty accurate, that's why most of us read their articles so i used one example.

Show me a few examples where the GTX 780 was found to be faster in a review. I bet you can't.

Techradar - The 290 then is focused 100% on taking down the GTX 780 and, in gaming performance alone, has it beat almost across the board. It also manages to top the GTX Titan in a few tests too
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc...aphics-cards/amd-radeon-r9-290-1196709/review

Hothardware - the Radeon R9 290 and GeForce GTX 780 traded victories, with the 290 coming out on top in four tests and the GeForce in three
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-Radeon-R9-290-Review-Hawaii-Gets-Cheaper/?page=12#ixzz30VJecDrM

HARDOCP -The AMD Radeon R9 290 provides the same gameplay experience and performance as the GeForce GTX 780 in a single-display gaming environment. The R9 290 provided the same performance as the GTX 780, and sometimes was even faster in terms of raw framerates
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/11/04/amd_radeon_r9_290_video_card_review/9#.U2LEgPldWS4

so that looks about even overall like I said. it really depends on the game and the settings but they basically trade blows. factor in the latest 337.50 drivers and consider the 780 has pretty good ocing headroom and the 780 probably comes out on top in few more tests.

 

[tviceman]

290 is cheaper and faster than 780

290x is slower and cheaper than 780 Ti as it should be. difference is small. They don't just look competitive. They are.

Windforce, Tri-X, Vapor-X, DCU2, PCS+, XFX DD, all those are very cool and very quiet. Just as cool and just as quiet as the nVidia counterparts. The AMD exclusive cards, being cooler and quieter than the nvidia ones.

More power draw? Sure if 30W matters to you? sure. It doesn't to me. Other people can decide that for themselves.

The 290 is cheaper NOW than the 780, but for the majority of it's existence it hasn't been cheaper and it's certainly debatable about which is faster, especially after Nvidia's recent several driver improvements.

I got my 780 for $410 after MIR and before selling off my game bundle (which I sold for $40) back in December. My gtx780 clocks to 1202 on the core and 6900mhz on the vram without any voltage modifications. Oh, and it's running on a 450 watt PSU. That is nothing particularly special about a gtx 780, as many can hit 1250-1300mhz. I challenge any 290 to keep up with my gtx780 without water cooling and without plowing through 375 watts before adding in all the other system components. Won't happen. My 780 is faster than 99% of all air-cooled overclocked 290's and probably most water-cooled 290's as well.

 

[Ajay]

actually its because the nforce(hah) was trying to justify the price. thats what you get when you want to screw people over with an 3k price tag.

"screw people over"? If I wanted to develop some CUDA app that I could use for testing with DP compute power or multi-card scaling, this would be a deal compared to NV's professional cards. Great way to see if CUDA would be a good way to go without breaking the bank.

 

[3DVagabond]

so that looks about even overall like I said. it really depends on the game and the settings but they basically trade blows. factor in the latest 337.50 drivers and consider the 780 has pretty good ocing headroom and the 780 probably comes out on top in few more tests.

While the performance promises were massive, the actual results... not so much.

While there were a couple of game specific improvements, there wasn't any real overall improvements. Especially when you consider that these drivers raised the thermal limit.

The 290 is cheaper NOW than the 780, but for the majority of it's existence it hasn't been cheaper and it's certainly debatable about which is faster, especially after Nvidia's recent several driver improvements.

I got my 780 for $410 after MIR and before selling off my game bundle (which I sold for $40) back in December. My gtx780 clocks to 1202 on the core and 6900mhz on the vram without any voltage modifications. Oh, and it's running on a 450 watt PSU. That is nothing particularly special about a gtx 780, as many can hit 1250-1300mhz. I challenge any 290 to keep up with my gtx780 without water cooling and without plowing through 375 watts before adding in all the other system components. Won't happen. My 780 is faster than 99% of all air-cooled overclocked 290's and probably most water-cooled 290's as well.

Remember when the 780 was $700? I'm not sure what the point of past pricing is?

 

[Stuka87]

The stock 290 is much louder than a stock 780ti. This is known. Only when you look at the modified cards with 3x120mm fans on them do they get to be bearable noise wise.

And that's my experience with every AMD card I've ever used as well.

That may be true of reference cards, but every non-reference card has shown to be cool and quiet. And even the reference cards are not "loud". Do they make more noise than a reference 780, yes. Are they unbearably loud? not at all.

 

[toyota]

While the performance promises were massive, the actual results... not so much.

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph7926/62483.png

While there were a couple of game specific improvements, there wasn't any real overall improvements. Especially when you consider that these drivers raised the thermal limit.

it depends on the game. in Hitman the difference is quite large. it was the first game I tested because it was one that had dipped into low 50s before and now stays above 70 fps in the bench. so even if it only helped a little bit overall it still helped since the 290 and 780 were nearly even anyway.

 

[3DVagabond]

it depends on the game. in Hitman the difference is quite large. it was the first game I tested because it was one that had dipped into low 50s before and now stays above 70 fps in the bench. so even if it only helped a little bit overall it still helped since the 290 and 780 were nearly even anyway.

So you got a ~40% improvement in minimums? That is the biggest single GPU improvement I've seen reported anywhere for the 337.5's. :\

 

[toyota]

So you got a ~40% improvement in minimums? That is the biggest single GPU improvement I've seen reported anywhere for the 337.5's. :\

Yes its true. I was not even going to bother with the driver but I wanted to test that game since I knew it was very cpu limited in spots. I have benched and tested the crap out of that game so I really wanted to see if there would be any difference.

and just in case you think I am making this up on the spot you can see here. http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36240991&postcount=112

 

[Silverforce11]

A few other site cover the NV driver, biggest gains were actually Hitman and Rome 2 (cos SLI was broken and now it works with ~70% scaling).

 

[3DVagabond]

Yes its true. I was not even going to bother with the driver but I wanted to test that game since I knew it was very cpu limited in spots. I have benched and tested the crap out of that game so I really wanted to see if there would be any difference.

and just in case you think I am making this up on the spot you can see here. http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36240991&postcount=112

Toyota, until I see something that would make me question your integrity, which I never have, I will take you at your word. I don't doubt your honesty.

 

[RampantAndroid]

That may be true of reference cards, but every non-reference card has shown to be cool and quiet. And even the reference cards are not "loud". Do they make more noise than a reference 780, yes. Are they unbearably loud? not at all.

That's relative. My old 5970 was unbearably loud because, at least back then (and I have read nothing to make me think they fixed this) all AMD cards had a problem with the sleeve bearing where if the fan was hanging on the bearing downwards, it would make MORE noise. I sold that 5970 off at cost for a side grade simply because I hated the noise. Also, I got tired of OCing it's low power clock up from 150 since it was unstable there.

 

[Skurge]

Well past pricing is not relevant here. If add a lottery like OC Headroom, sure the 780 may clock faster, depends on the card. I'll give you that. But out of box and especially crossfire the 290 has the edge for less money. I don't OC my cards, I haven't done so since I had a Radeon 9600XT. So yeah if of headroom matters to you, pay more for 780 and hope it isn't a lemon. I'll take the card that is already faster at stock. 780 uses less power that 290. That is fact. That matters to very few people who buy these cards I would wager. The noise would be a far bigger deal and rightly so. But they seem awfully competitive to me. I'm not sure why you would say they were only made to look so.

 

[Mondozei]

For reasons unknown, the European tech sites are scooping the GPU market these days.

Now German Computerbase write that Titan Z is going to be out the 8th of May. So just a minor delay.

Here's the thing though: the price will not be lowered.

And the specs are consistent with previous leaks. We're looking at 705 MHz base and 876 MHz boost (compare this with Titan Black which is at 889 MHz base and 980 MHz boost, almost 1 GHz).

So it seems we will not likely see a GTX 790 considering Maxwell 28 nm is just a few months ago.

 

[3DVagabond]

So it seems we will not likely see a GTX 790 considering Maxwell 28 nm is just a few months ago.

While I've seen this rumored, there has been no sign of that happening. At least not at the high end. Typically they like more than "just a few months" to recoup the R&D costs from new designs like Titan Black and Titan-Z.

 

[Mondozei]

A Chinese website is now writing that yes, Titan is coming out very soon.
May 8th to be exact.

And the reason for the mini-delay? They say it was the drivers.

Furthermore, they also claim that Titan Z won't be as gimped as many thought it would be. The boostclock is supposedly capable of going up to 1058 MHz, a significant boost from previous leaks.

All this was intermediated from Wccftech, so all caveats apply. Source

Even if the official reason is drivers, it could well be that Nvidia took it back a few weeks before launch to boost the clock speeds after 295X2 came out.

Now TitanZ may indeed get the performance crown, for a salty 3000 dollars. Oh, and on air cooling, too, lest we forget.

 

[sontin]

That is the max clock and not the "average boost".

 

[Gloomy]

A Chinese website is now writing that yes, Titan is coming out very soon.
May 8th to be exact.

And the reason for the mini-delay? They say it was the drivers.

Furthermore, they also claim that Titan Z won't be as gimped as many thought it would be. The boostclock is supposedly capable of going up to 1058 MHz, a significant boost from previous leaks.

All this was intermediated from Wccftech, so all caveats apply. Source

Even if the official reason is drivers, it could well be that Nvidia took it back a few weeks before launch to boost the clock speeds after 295X2 came out.

Now TitanZ may indeed get the performance crown, for a salty 3000 dollars. Oh, and on air cooling, too, lest we forget.

1058 boost with the fan locked to 100 :awe:

 

[dn7309]

People are still talking about heat and noise being a problem with the 290(X)? Do they realize that not all 290(X) comes with reference blower right?

The noise on the 290(X) isn't much of a big deal. I replaced my thermal paste for the reference blower and run the card in quiet mode and the noise is just as loud as the Corsair AF 140 using the LNA while seeing less throttling and performance difference is about 1-2 fps in benchmarks most vs UBER mode.

 

[3DVagabond]

People are still talking about heat and noise being a problem with the 290(X)? Do they realize that not all 290(X) comes with reference blower right?

Of course they are. It's called diversion.

The Titan-Z was pulled at the last minute, apparently because it doesn't compete well with the 295X2. It's slower and twice the price.

Responses:

1,The 290X is really hot and loud.
2, nVidia's last drivers were an awesome improvement.
3, But it's going to be a really cheap compute card.
4, The GTX 780 will beat a 290 after you O/C it.

Note that these don't even have to be true. As long as you get them out there enough it does the trick. It diverts the discussion and after a while people actually start to believe it.

 

[tviceman]

For reasons unknown, the European tech sites are scooping the GPU market these days.

Now German Computerbase write that Titan Z is going to be out the 8th of May. So just a minor delay.

Here's the thing though: the price will not be lowered.

And the specs are consistent with previous leaks. We're looking at 705 MHz base and 876 MHz boost (compare this with Titan Black which is at 889 MHz base and 980 MHz boost, almost 1 GHz).

So it seems we will not likely see a GTX 790 considering Maxwell 28 nm is just a few months ago.

There was never a 790 coming. And as for bigger Maxwell chips coming in "just a few months," if you mean 7-8 months, then yeah it's coming in "just a few months."