Nvidia 3D Vision vs ATI Eyefinity

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Idontcare

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Originally posted by: Janooo
Originally posted by: Idontcare
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Originally posted by: Janooo
They sad part is that on many occasions it's not their opinion. They are parroting NV PR.
That's annoying. That's the reason people are upset.

Edit: I replied before I read the ^ post. QFT +1

You gonna hold the left arm or the right one? Remember it is all in the name of vanquishing evil, its not treating a fellow human inhumanely, its just bludgeoning a marketing shill and we all know they have no souls anyways.

Remember folks, judge yourselves by your actions, not just by your opinions.

What's your point?
I've stated facts as they are.

:confused: It is a fact that they aren't stating their opinions? :laugh:

So you read minds now huh. See now I could have sworn it was simply your opinion that they aren't stating their opinion.

But, well, but now you've done gone and said its actually a fact that they aren't stating their opinion so I'm a skosh confused.

Er, I meant impressed, I'm impressed you climbed inside their head and once and for all determined they are not stating their opinion, as you know that for fact, so you say. But you knew that I was going to say that already, being a mindz reader and all...
 

OCGuy

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I cant imagine anyone who cares about price or power consumption loading up 6 panels.
 

WelshBloke

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Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: Forumpanda
Originally posted by: Idontcare
What BS we try and tell ourselves so we feel ok about trashing a fellow human being just because they don't express an opinion that parrot's our own. :roll:
Personally I would argue that when a person just repeats a marketing point regardless of arguments made against it and when I know exactly what someone will write as a response simply based on the assertion that the person will be unwilling or unable to ever accept a point that company X's products are not always the best.
Then I would argue that we are no longer dealing with an opinion, and I will treat it as such.

When I know going in to a debate that no matter how much time and research I put into making my point I will be unable to to convince a person that another point of view can be better, and I know the person will post multiple times as a reply to everyone in the thread who makes a contradicting point.
Then yes, I will judge that person based on those actions.

I do have anything against anyone for their opinions, but there is a difference between arguing and opinion and sounding like a broken record, being unable to see other peoples point of view and making every debate one big circle of bad logic that never gets past square 1.

I judge people on their actions, not opinions.

If you firmly believe in what you just posted above, then I have to question why you'd then bother to "battle" with someone whom you have already concluded is beneath you. Fine, pass judgement, that is a passive activity on your part.

Choosing to then make a post in which you communicate that judgement is where you begin to go out of your way to assassinate a person's character. This is also the point where you hazard others passing judgement on you as well, based on your actions, not your opinions.

For your sake, I hope you don't end up encountering anyone you care for that happens to have a mental sickness or disorder...your post, absolute lack of compassion for humans who might just need some. To pass judgement on people, particularly judgement that is tinged with such disdain, as a position of superiority, ugh.

I've met many people, IRL, who were quite functional and yet required compassion and understanding at times. I suppose I could have taken those opportunities to demonize them, castigated them as shills or what not.


I'm impressed with the AT video forums, had no idea we were such the nexus of pure and noble souls who come here to throw stones while flaunting themselves as being without sin.

I am humbled to be in your presence. Might I suggest using that big rock over there to your left, yeah that 20-pounder, that'll be sure to really crack his skull wide open. Now if just a few of your equally-openminded and self-righteous buddies could just grab his arms and hold him down so he doesn't move, now some real justice can be affected...:roll:

Originally posted by: Janooo
They sad part is that on many occasions it's not their opinion. They are parroting NV PR.
That's annoying. That's the reason people are upset.

Edit: I replied before I read the ^ post. QFT +1

You gonna hold the left arm or the right one? Remember it is all in the name of vanquishing evil, its not treating a fellow human inhumanely, its just bludgeoning a marketing shill and we all know they have no souls anyways.

Remember folks, judge yourselves by your actions, not just by your opinions.

Dude , did you just liken forum shills to the mentally ill?

They are a pain but thats going a bit far IMHO.
 

aequasi

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Originally posted by: OCguy
I cant imagine anyone who cares about price or power consumption loading up 6 panels.

lol i know i dont, especially if they are 30", if u have the money for 6 panels, i think u have the money to keep it running
 

T2k

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Originally posted by: Griswold
When I clicked on this thread, I knew it was going to be full of Wreckage's attempts to belittle Eyefinity, just because he happens to be a nvidia fanboy and this technology comes from the other team... listen, it wont matter to most people here if Matrox offers a similar (no, they dont offer up to 6 screens on a single card) technology if its absolutely useless for any gaming purpose!

Ehhh, will people ever freakin' learn to stop presenting their ingorant assumptions as facts? :frown:

http://www.matrox.com/graphics...hics_cards/qid_series/

I had quad-headed Matrox MMS cards in G200 AGP times... :roll:

Currently they can scale up to create an entire video wall if needed - see more at http://www.matrox.com/graphics...s_can_21B156D89593.pdf
 

aequasi

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bold text ftw....
i want to know what happened to the stretch desktop feature ATI has on XP, thats no longer on vista or 7
 

T2k

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Originally posted by: aequasi
bold text ftw....
i want to know what happened to the stretch desktop feature ATI has on XP, thats no longer on vista or 7

?
 

aequasi

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idk, i dont like bold text, i find it worse than cap locks, although i agree with ur point lol

on windows XP with an ATI card, you could stretch your desktop over two monitors and one card.
i had to 20" CRT's running 2560x1600
 

MrK6

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Originally posted by: WelshBloke
Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: Forumpanda
Originally posted by: Idontcare
What BS we try and tell ourselves so we feel ok about trashing a fellow human being just because they don't express an opinion that parrot's our own. :roll:
Personally I would argue that when a person just repeats a marketing point regardless of arguments made against it and when I know exactly what someone will write as a response simply based on the assertion that the person will be unwilling or unable to ever accept a point that company X's products are not always the best.
Then I would argue that we are no longer dealing with an opinion, and I will treat it as such.

When I know going in to a debate that no matter how much time and research I put into making my point I will be unable to to convince a person that another point of view can be better, and I know the person will post multiple times as a reply to everyone in the thread who makes a contradicting point.
Then yes, I will judge that person based on those actions.

I do have anything against anyone for their opinions, but there is a difference between arguing and opinion and sounding like a broken record, being unable to see other peoples point of view and making every debate one big circle of bad logic that never gets past square 1.

I judge people on their actions, not opinions.

If you firmly believe in what you just posted above, then I have to question why you'd then bother to "battle" with someone whom you have already concluded is beneath you. Fine, pass judgement, that is a passive activity on your part.

Choosing to then make a post in which you communicate that judgement is where you begin to go out of your way to assassinate a person's character. This is also the point where you hazard others passing judgement on you as well, based on your actions, not your opinions.

For your sake, I hope you don't end up encountering anyone you care for that happens to have a mental sickness or disorder...your post, absolute lack of compassion for humans who might just need some. To pass judgement on people, particularly judgement that is tinged with such disdain, as a position of superiority, ugh.

I've met many people, IRL, who were quite functional and yet required compassion and understanding at times. I suppose I could have taken those opportunities to demonize them, castigated them as shills or what not.


I'm impressed with the AT video forums, had no idea we were such the nexus of pure and noble souls who come here to throw stones while flaunting themselves as being without sin.

I am humbled to be in your presence. Might I suggest using that big rock over there to your left, yeah that 20-pounder, that'll be sure to really crack his skull wide open. Now if just a few of your equally-openminded and self-righteous buddies could just grab his arms and hold him down so he doesn't move, now some real justice can be affected...:roll:

Originally posted by: Janooo
They sad part is that on many occasions it's not their opinion. They are parroting NV PR.
That's annoying. That's the reason people are upset.

Edit: I replied before I read the ^ post. QFT +1

You gonna hold the left arm or the right one? Remember it is all in the name of vanquishing evil, its not treating a fellow human inhumanely, its just bludgeoning a marketing shill and we all know they have no souls anyways.

Remember folks, judge yourselves by your actions, not just by your opinions.

Dude , did you just liken forum shills to the mentally ill?

They are a pain but thats going a bit far IMHO.
Some people think they are better than other and need to preach. And just like preaching, they shock their audiences because they really have nothing of worth to say.
 

Lonyo

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Originally posted by: T2k
Originally posted by: Griswold
When I clicked on this thread, I knew it was going to be full of Wreckage's attempts to belittle Eyefinity, just because he happens to be a nvidia fanboy and this technology comes from the other team... listen, it wont matter to most people here if Matrox offers a similar (no, they dont offer up to 6 screens on a single card) technology if its absolutely useless for any gaming purpose!

Ehhh, will people ever freakin' learn to stop presenting their ingorant assumptions as facts? :frown:

http://www.matrox.com/graphics...hics_cards/qid_series/

I had quad-headed Matrox MMS cards in G200 AGP times... :roll:

Currently they can scale up to create an entire video wall if needed - see more at http://www.matrox.com/graphics...s_can_21B156D89593.pdf
Who doesn't have crazy numbers of outputs on single cards?
Here's a little something from nvidia: http://www.nvidia.com/object/b...ts_ci.html?id=QDNVS420 Go buy one right now. NV card with 4 outputs.

Most multi-output cards are expensive (more than even a high end graphics card like the HD5850), and not good for 3D gaming type stuff.
I applaud ATI for bringing more usable outputs to consumer level hardware at reasonable pricing, and assuming they trickle it down, we should be seeing lower end cards with 3 outputs (that's what they indicated during previews).

No one can complain because ATI are doing good work for the consumer by bringing what used to be (and currently is) a more high end feature to the mainstream consumer, even if they might not want to use it themselves, or see a need for it right now (or be able to afford the monitors).
 

Janooo

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Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: Janooo
Originally posted by: Idontcare
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Originally posted by: Janooo
The sad part is that on many occasions it's not their opinion. They are parroting NV PR.
That's annoying. That's the reason people are upset.

Edit: I replied before I read the ^ post. QFT +1

You gonna hold the left arm or the right one? Remember it is all in the name of vanquishing evil, its not treating a fellow human inhumanely, its just bludgeoning a marketing shill and we all know they have no souls anyways.

Remember folks, judge yourselves by your actions, not just by your opinions.

What's your point?
I've stated facts as they are.

:confused: It is a fact that they aren't stating their opinions? :laugh:

So you read minds now huh. See now I could have sworn it was simply your opinion that they aren't stating their opinion.

But, well, but now you've done gone and said its actually a fact that they aren't stating their opinion so I'm a skosh confused.

Er, I meant impressed, I'm impressed you climbed inside their head and once and for all determined they are not stating their opinion, as you know that for fact, so you say. But you knew that I was going to say that already, being a mindz reader and all...

Let me clarify with one additional word: "The sad part is that on many occasions it's not originally their opinion. They are parroting NV PR."
Compare their talk with what NV PR says and tell me with a straight face that there are no similarities.
If you believe they don't get ideas from the group then you don't see the reality as it is.
 

Idontcare

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Originally posted by: WelshBloke
Dude , did you just liken forum shills to the mentally ill?

They are a pain but thats going a bit far IMHO.

No, I was speaking to a specific real-life example in mind that had to do with a mentally ill salesperson which to outward appearances seemed like a shill and was needlessly treated as such because my coworkers would not take time to have any compassion on the individual. He did eventually get help.

But thanks anyways for assuming the worst of intentions on my behalf when I wrote that post.

Originally posted by: MrK6
Some people think they are better than other and need to preach. And just like preaching, they shock their audiences because they really have nothing of worth to say.

Ah, still preaching I see. You'll forgive me for not being shocked.
 

WelshBloke

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Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: WelshBloke
Dude , did you just liken forum shills to the mentally ill?

They are a pain but thats going a bit far IMHO.

No, I was speaking to a specific real-life example in mind that had to do with a mentally ill salesperson which to outward appearances seemed like a shill and was needlessly treated as such because my coworkers would not take time to have any compassion on the individual. He did eventually get help.

But thanks anyways for assuming the worst of intentions on my behalf when I wrote that post.

Well excuse me for being confused by your example which appears to have nothing at all to do with anything in this thread. :confused:

 

sandorski

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If I had the money to choose, probably Eyefinity. It just seems to be more useful in all aspects of PC usage.
 

MrK6

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Originally posted by: IdontcareAh, still preaching I see. You'll forgive me for not being shocked.
"I know you are but what am I!?"
I think I proved my point, moving back to the discussion of the hardware. :roll:

 

ronnn

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Originally posted by: Idontcare
I wonder if the folks who say "the bezels won't bother you" (but haven't actually tried it themselves yet)

Of course they haven't tried it, as very few have bought a 5870 and have 3 monitors. But how many who say the bezels bother them have tried it?

Really this is why we read or watch reviews from guys like kyle. They give us some idea of what to buy. If you think Kyle is a liar, than support it.
 

ronnn

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Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Option 3: neither interests me.

30" HP LP3065

Of course it doesn't. There are no 120hz 30" panels, and putting three of them next to each other is a bit unrealistic, considering the space but also cash you'd need. And the monitor would have to accept displayport...

For those of you who want to know what Eyefinity REALLY looks like: http://www.guru3d.com/article/...ity-editorial-review/6

Watch those video's. Personaly I'm sold. Now I just need to make sure you CAN actually use Eyefinity without using the displayport. Oh yeah, and I'll wait a wee bit longer, to make sure the ratio's are okay, unlike in CoD4 for example.

What it REALLY looks like? Those videos look exactly the same as others I have seen. I think the others has shown what it REALLY looks like also.

What we need, Marc, is something like THIS to bring the value of multimonitor gaming home. Nothing less will do IMHO.
In your video links, where the black bezels bisect the image, there is also a "staggering" of the adjacent image. In other words, its like when you open up a world atlas looking at a road that goes from the left page, past the binder, to the right page. They don't line up. Maybe that can be compensated for in software to account for different bezel thicknesses. If not now, maybe in the next revision of the software.

You have tried it, or do you think kyle is full of it when he says video does not do it justice?

 

aequasi

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Originally posted by: ronnn
Originally posted by: Idontcare
I wonder if the folks who say "the bezels won't bother you" (but haven't actually tried it themselves yet)

Of course they haven't tried it, as very few have bought a 5870 and have 3 monitors. But how many who say the bezels bother them have tried it?

Really this is why we read or watch reviews from guys like kyle. They give us some idea of what to buy. If you think Kyle is a liar, than support it.

ive tried it in the past using three crt monitors and i got over it, it didnt really bug me all that much, plus, now they are making monitors with smaller bezel sizes
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: ronnn
Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Option 3: neither interests me.

30" HP LP3065

Of course it doesn't. There are no 120hz 30" panels, and putting three of them next to each other is a bit unrealistic, considering the space but also cash you'd need. And the monitor would have to accept displayport...

For those of you who want to know what Eyefinity REALLY looks like: http://www.guru3d.com/article/...ity-editorial-review/6

Watch those video's. Personaly I'm sold. Now I just need to make sure you CAN actually use Eyefinity without using the displayport. Oh yeah, and I'll wait a wee bit longer, to make sure the ratio's are okay, unlike in CoD4 for example.

What it REALLY looks like? Those videos look exactly the same as others I have seen. I think the others has shown what it REALLY looks like also.

What we need, Marc, is something like THIS to bring the value of multimonitor gaming home. Nothing less will do IMHO.
In your video links, where the black bezels bisect the image, there is also a "staggering" of the adjacent image. In other words, its like when you open up a world atlas looking at a road that goes from the left page, past the binder, to the right page. They don't line up. Maybe that can be compensated for in software to account for different bezel thicknesses. If not now, maybe in the next revision of the software.

You have tried it, or do you think kyle is full of it when he says video does not do it justice?

What is it that you think Kyle "could" see, that we don't see from watching the videos? Do the bezels go away for Kyle if he is there personally and directly in front of him? I'm not thinking so. So, I'm not calling Kyle a liar at all. He may be just like you. That is if your one of the folks saying the bezels don't bother you. I'm sure that some won't be bothered by it. I'm absolutely sure there are more that will.

Well. Now we have your opinion and we have my opinion. Good enough?

 

aequasi

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works for me lol, someone should make a poll for it

i also though, what if someone is using 6 HD projectors... no bezel
 

ronnn

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Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Originally posted by: ronnn
Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Option 3: neither interests me.

30" HP LP3065

Of course it doesn't. There are no 120hz 30" panels, and putting three of them next to each other is a bit unrealistic, considering the space but also cash you'd need. And the monitor would have to accept displayport...

For those of you who want to know what Eyefinity REALLY looks like: http://www.guru3d.com/article/...ity-editorial-review/6

Watch those video's. Personaly I'm sold. Now I just need to make sure you CAN actually use Eyefinity without using the displayport. Oh yeah, and I'll wait a wee bit longer, to make sure the ratio's are okay, unlike in CoD4 for example.

What it REALLY looks like? Those videos look exactly the same as others I have seen. I think the others has shown what it REALLY looks like also.

What we need, Marc, is something like THIS to bring the value of multimonitor gaming home. Nothing less will do IMHO.
In your video links, where the black bezels bisect the image, there is also a "staggering" of the adjacent image. In other words, its like when you open up a world atlas looking at a road that goes from the left page, past the binder, to the right page. They don't line up. Maybe that can be compensated for in software to account for different bezel thicknesses. If not now, maybe in the next revision of the software.

You have tried it, or do you think kyle is full of it when he says video does not do it justice?

What is it that you think Kyle "could" see, that we don't see from watching the videos? Do the bezels go away for Kyle if he is there personally and directly in front of him? I'm not thinking so. So, I'm not calling Kyle a liar at all. He may be just like you. That is if your one of the folks saying the bezels don't bother you. I'm sure that some won't be bothered by it. I'm absolutely sure there are more that will.

Well. Now we have your opinion and we have my opinion. Good enough?

An opinion without trying it is worth little.
 

dguy6789

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I don't really like the idea of bezels with an FPS, but it doesn't bother me at all with racing games. I could treat each monitor like a window in the car that way. I can see it now, surround "video" gaming with monitors all around you imitating the windows in a car. That sounds kind of awesome.
 

aequasi

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maybe they have seen it but havent persoanlly tried it, or just know that even if they did try it it would bother them because they can see the image in their head. dont belittle other peoples opinions