Nvidia 3D Vision vs ATI Eyefinity

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T2k

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Also, I'd have to not only invest in a 120Hz monitor, but also the glasses/receiver thingy.
You have to invest in a new monitor for Eyefinity as well unless your current monitor uses display port.

When I stop gaming, the 120Hz monitor is kinda useless as are the glasses.

Wha? It's still a monitor like any other...why would it suddenly become useless. :confused:

Umm because its pretty lame resolution...?
 

T2k

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Originally posted by: uclaLabrat
Originally posted by: Wreckage
For those who missed it.
http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/products/gxm/th2go/

# Run three independent monitors from your notebook or desktop computer even if that system only supports a one monitor output*
# A three monitor setup lets you organize your workspace more efficiently, multi-task more comfortably and make fewer errors
# Open a different application on each monitor or stretch one application across three monitors for the ultimate in Surround Graphics
# Experience Surround Gaming by expanding supported 3D games across three monitors; achieve a much wider in-game field of view

Dude, no one cares that you want to denigrate eyefinity as "old tech", matrox's solution was hacked together and not nearly as elegant as running the 3 monitors from one vid card.

We get it. Let it go.

Dude, just WTF are you talking about? Talking too much BS...?

I still have my Parhelia somewhere - it was a perfectly fine 3-monitor setup back then, right before 9700 Pro arrived.

"Hacked together..."

...stop spreading FUD when you obviously don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about.
 

T2k

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Originally posted by: dguy6789
Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: dguy6789


You do realize that 3D Vision is old technology that's been tried and failed before right? You know that, but you are conveniently leaving it out when you're saying Eyefinity is old technology. :thumbsdown:

Great, link to a competing technology that works with current games and cards.

I linked to a similar current technology that works with current games and video cards. So everyone launches personal attacks against me as if I insulted their mother. :roll:

I did not leave out anything more than is being discussed. Other people have mentioned how images look distorted on Eyefinity and how it requires you to buy a Displayport monitor. Should people who leave that out also be attacked for "distorting the truth"?

This thread is explicitly about Nvidia 3D Vision vs ATI Eyefinity, yet we are not allowed to discuss the pros and cons. Awesome.

Sigh.

Ridiculous.

You try playing a modern game using triple monitors with a Matrox card and then get back to me. You're downplaying Eyefinity by calling it old and already done before(which is not even a negative, you're just trying to make it sound like one) even though 3D Vision is even older.

:roll:

Literally all FPS worked fine with my Parhelia back then - I even posted a bunch of shots on WSGF, I'll see if I can find them...


...here we go: http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3631/ut2k3sg.jpg
 

bfdd

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I've never been a huge fan of 3d glasses and all that stuff, but having personally played with Nvidia's 3D Vision and talking to one of their engineers about it, I actually like it and wouldn't mind having it for certain games. It was actually pretty fucking cool if you had the setup with the like actual glasses and not the red/blue crap. I was really really surprised.
 

T2k

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Originally posted by: bfdd
I've never been a huge fan of 3d glasses and all that stuff, but having personally played with Nvidia's 3D Vision and talking to one of their engineers about it, I actually like it and wouldn't mind having it for certain games. It was actually pretty fucking cool if you had the setup with the like actual glasses and not the red/blue crap. I was really really surprised.

FYI Dell is running a promo w/ this 3D Vision kit (glasses, 120Hz 22" Samsung LCD, GTX260 1.8GB) included when you order their latest-greates Lynnfield-based Studio XPS 8000 machines... for $1,800 you get an i7 860 w/ 8GB memory, 1TB HDD etc etc Vista->Win7 64-bit and the whole NV 3D Vision shebang.
 

MarcVenice

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Originally posted by: BFG10K
Option 3: neither interests me.

30" HP LP3065

Of course it doesn't. There are no 120hz 30" panels, and putting three of them next to each other is a bit unrealistic, considering the space but also cash you'd need. And the monitor would have to accept displayport...

For those of you who want to know what Eyefinity REALLY looks like: http://www.guru3d.com/article/...ity-editorial-review/6

Watch those video's. Personaly I'm sold. Now I just need to make sure you CAN actually use Eyefinity without using the displayport. Oh yeah, and I'll wait a wee bit longer, to make sure the ratio's are okay, unlike in CoD4 for example.
 

cusideabelincoln

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I'm not particularly interested in either setup, as they would both cost me money I don't have right now. But after watching the HARDOCP and Guru3D videos of Eyefinity in action, I feel like I'm so behind the times. They were quite impressive demonstrations and I can see how the 3x1 setup would offer a competitive advantage in many games. I play a lot of TF2, L4D, and Counter-Strike, and now I feel like I'm being restricted after watching those videos and only having non-widescreen monitors with a max resolution of 1280x1024. Well I've gamed at 1600x1200, but the difference wasn't huge over 1280x1024.

So I'd choose Eyefinity just based off a competitive advantage. Anything that makes the gaming experience more intuitive is good in my books, whether this be added peripheral vision, higher resolution, higher framerates, or higher refresh rates.
 

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When I clicked on this thread, I knew it was going to be full of Wreckage's attempts to belittle Eyefinity, just because he happens to be a nvidia fanboy and this technology comes from the other team... listen, it wont matter to most people here if Matrox offers a similar (no, they dont offer up to 6 screens on a single card) technology if its absolutely useless for any gaming purpose!

Anyway, the majority here doesnt seem to agree with him. Eyefinity is also my favourite for two reasons: its also immensely useful for my work besides the interesting possibilities a 3 monitor setup for gaming provides, but it also doesnt force me to (currently) buy a certain 120Hz screen (one I would most likely never buy in the first place) to work - Eyefinity works with my Eizos.

3D just doesnt beat more screen real estate for my user profile. But I'm sure, eventually one day, we'll see both of them offer both technologies. I have no doubt about that.
 

WelshBloke

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
Well 3D was done years ago by Elza. Besides the headaches are annoying.

Eyefinity is the way of the future. My next monitor/video card upgrade will probably be towards that. I really want to play games like World of Warcraft in Highres multimonitor.

:thumbsup: Nice to see you being openminded there Wreckage. ;)


Oh wait :evil:

 
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Originally posted by: WelshBloke
Originally posted by: Wreckage
Well 3D was done years ago by Elza. Besides the headaches are annoying.

Eyefinity is the way of the future. My next monitor/video card upgrade will probably be towards that. I really want to play games like World of Warcraft in Highres multimonitor.

:thumbsup: Nice to see you being openminded there Wreckage. ;)


Oh wait :evil:

ICWUTUDIDTHERE!!!
 

Idontcare

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I wonder if the folks who say "the bezels won't bother you" (but haven't actually tried it themselves yet) are the same folks who say "3D glasses give you headaches" (but haven't actually tried it themselves yet either).

I had a video card with a pair of 3D glasses, it had to have been about 10yrs ago, definitely was before the stock market crash in 2001. It worked just fine, as advertised, and did not give me headaches.

Nevertheless I eventually stopped using it for two reasons - first the glasses themselves at the time were bulky and a tad heavy, and after a few hours wearing them the thought of wearing them for another three hours really taxed me.

And second the video card itself only supported one monitor and I really like having two monitors with the matrox cards at the time. So I switched out the 3D for multiple screens. But I've always wanted 3D since then.

I'm just curious how much of this anti-bezel vs. anti-3D headache bellyaching is really posters parroting what they've read and been convinced must be true versus speaking from actual firsthand personal experience. One is signal, the other is just noise.
 

Minas

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Idontcare: This is the trouble with expensive hardware upgrades that you can't simply try out, you can only take so much from a demo video or a review, or indeed the opinion of some random poster on a tech forum. ;)

Personally I want both technologies, but at a better stage of development and with more developer support than currently exists.
 

Dribble

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I'd like both - 3D on three 30 inch displays :)

Even without 3D I'd still like my three displays to be 120hz because they are better for gaming.

It's not really an ati vs nvidia thing anyway. All nvidia need to do is add a third display output to the GT300 which is pretty trivial to do and they can have eye infinity too. All ati need is some 3D drivers - the shutter glasses aren't an nvidia invention - lots of companies have made them for years.
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Option 3: neither interests me.

30" HP LP3065

Of course it doesn't. There are no 120hz 30" panels, and putting three of them next to each other is a bit unrealistic, considering the space but also cash you'd need. And the monitor would have to accept displayport...

For those of you who want to know what Eyefinity REALLY looks like: http://www.guru3d.com/article/...ity-editorial-review/6

Watch those video's. Personaly I'm sold. Now I just need to make sure you CAN actually use Eyefinity without using the displayport. Oh yeah, and I'll wait a wee bit longer, to make sure the ratio's are okay, unlike in CoD4 for example.

What it REALLY looks like? Those videos look exactly the same as others I have seen. I think the others has shown what it REALLY looks like also.

What we need, Marc, is something like THIS to bring the value of multimonitor gaming home. Nothing less will do IMHO.
In your video links, where the black bezels bisect the image, there is also a "staggering" of the adjacent image. In other words, its like when you open up a world atlas looking at a road that goes from the left page, past the binder, to the right page. They don't line up. Maybe that can be compensated for in software to account for different bezel thicknesses. If not now, maybe in the next revision of the software.

 

cusideabelincoln

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Originally posted by: Idontcare
I wonder if the folks who say "the bezels won't bother you" (but haven't actually tried it themselves yet) are the same folks who say "3D glasses give you headaches" (but haven't actually tried it themselves yet either).

No doubt there are people who proclaim your scenario just as there are people who proclaim the vice versa. The real question is just how pervasive each stance truly is. I would find it silly for someone to say 3D gives him headaches without trying it, as the only way to know is to actually try it.

Keysplayr posted:
Maybe that can be compensated for in software to account for different bezel thicknesses. If not now, maybe in the next revision of the software.

It can be and it will be, according to the various reviews (HOCP mentions this).
 

darXoul

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Neither, I consider both useless gadgetry at this time.

Reasons?

3D Vision: crappy 120 Hz monitors, bulky glasses, eye strain, lack of support/poor support in many games like flickering, AA problems, etc. etc. A great idea that simply fails in its current (still) highly immature state.

Eyefinity: space/power consumption/ergonomics/tons of other issues plus the deal breaker - bezels that I simply can't imagine anyone can "forget" when playing any game. A horrible idea IMO, but of course, YMMV.
 

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Originally posted by: Idontcare
What BS we try and tell ourselves so we feel ok about trashing a fellow human being just because they don't express an opinion that parrot's our own. :roll:
Personally I would argue that when a person just repeats a marketing point regardless of arguments made against it and when I know exactly what someone will write as a response simply based on the assertion that the person will be unwilling or unable to ever accept a point that company X's products are not always the best.
Then I would argue that we are no longer dealing with an opinion, and I will treat it as such.

When I know going in to a debate that no matter how much time and research I put into making my point I will be unable to to convince a person that another point of view can be better, and I know the person will post multiple times as a reply to everyone in the thread who makes a contradicting point.
Then yes, I will judge that person based on those actions.

I do have anything against anyone for their opinions, but there is a difference between arguing and opinion and sounding like a broken record, being unable to see other peoples point of view and making every debate one big circle of bad logic that never gets past square 1.

I judge people on their actions, not opinions.
 

Janooo

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Originally posted by: Idontcare
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I like these strawman bait-n-switch arguments where we substitute Keys with some other thing we are supposed to see as evil and vilify so that then its ok that we be haten on keys because its cool to hate evil things.

Amirite?

What BS we try and tell ourselves so we feel ok about trashing a fellow human being just because they don't express an opinion that parrot's our own. :roll:

We can't just leave it at they say their opinion and we say ours and that's it. No. Instead we have to trash their opinion, or character so as to undermine or make illegitimate their opinion, on our way to stating our own opinion.

Disgusting.

Keep it up people, with a little persistence you'll be sure and get the kind of forum you deserve.

The sad part is that on many occasions it's not their opinion. They are parroting NV PR.
That's annoying. That's the reason people are upset.

Edit: I replied before I read the ^ post. QFT +1
 

Idontcare

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Originally posted by: Forumpanda
Originally posted by: Idontcare
What BS we try and tell ourselves so we feel ok about trashing a fellow human being just because they don't express an opinion that parrot's our own. :roll:
Personally I would argue that when a person just repeats a marketing point regardless of arguments made against it and when I know exactly what someone will write as a response simply based on the assertion that the person will be unwilling or unable to ever accept a point that company X's products are not always the best.
Then I would argue that we are no longer dealing with an opinion, and I will treat it as such.

When I know going in to a debate that no matter how much time and research I put into making my point I will be unable to to convince a person that another point of view can be better, and I know the person will post multiple times as a reply to everyone in the thread who makes a contradicting point.
Then yes, I will judge that person based on those actions.

I do have anything against anyone for their opinions, but there is a difference between arguing and opinion and sounding like a broken record, being unable to see other peoples point of view and making every debate one big circle of bad logic that never gets past square 1.

I judge people on their actions, not opinions.

If you firmly believe in what you just posted above, then I have to question why you'd then bother to "battle" with someone whom you have already concluded is beneath you. Fine, pass judgement, that is a passive activity on your part.

Choosing to then make a post in which you communicate that judgement is where you begin to go out of your way to assassinate a person's character. This is also the point where you hazard others passing judgement on you as well, based on your actions, not your opinions.

For your sake, I hope you don't end up encountering anyone you care for that happens to have a mental sickness or disorder...your post, absolute lack of compassion for humans who might just need some. To pass judgement on people, particularly judgement that is tinged with such disdain, as a position of superiority, ugh.

I've met many people, IRL, who were quite functional and yet required compassion and understanding at times. I suppose I could have taken those opportunities to demonize them, castigated them as shills or what not.

I'm impressed with the AT video forums, had no idea we were such the nexus of pure and noble souls who come here to throw stones while flaunting themselves as being without sin.

I am humbled to be in your presence. Might I suggest using that big rock over there to your left, yeah that 20-pounder, that'll be sure to really crack his skull wide open. Now if just a few of your equally-openminded and self-righteous buddies could just grab his arms and hold him down so he doesn't move, now some real justice can be affected...:roll:

Originally posted by: Janooo
They sad part is that on many occasions it's not their opinion. They are parroting NV PR.
That's annoying. That's the reason people are upset.

Edit: I replied before I read the ^ post. QFT +1

You gonna hold the left arm or the right one? Remember it is all in the name of vanquishing evil, its not treating a fellow human inhumanely, its just bludgeoning a marketing shill and we all know they have no souls anyways.

Remember folks, judge yourselves by your actions, not just by your opinions.
 

Janooo

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Originally posted by: Idontcare
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Originally posted by: Janooo
They sad part is that on many occasions it's not their opinion. They are parroting NV PR.
That's annoying. That's the reason people are upset.

Edit: I replied before I read the ^ post. QFT +1

You gonna hold the left arm or the right one? Remember it is all in the name of vanquishing evil, its not treating a fellow human inhumanely, its just bludgeoning a marketing shill and we all know they have no souls anyways.

Remember folks, judge yourselves by your actions, not just by your opinions.

What's your point?
I've stated facts as they are.
 

BladeVenom

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Originally posted by: Janooo
Originally posted by: Idontcare
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Originally posted by: Janooo
They sad part is that on many occasions it's not their opinion. They are parroting NV PR.
That's annoying. That's the reason people are upset.

Edit: I replied before I read the ^ post. QFT +1

You gonna hold the left arm or the right one? Remember it is all in the name of vanquishing evil, its not treating a fellow human inhumanely, its just bludgeoning a marketing shill and we all know they have no souls anyways.

Remember folks, judge yourselves by your actions, not just by your opinions.

What's your point?
I've stated facts as they are.

He's trying to take the topic off of how superior ATI's newest product is over Nvidia's sure to fail, again, 3d product.

I still have a pair of the old 3d glasses from the CRT days. They are a cute little novelty, but no one liked to use them very long.
 

aequasi

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to be honest, id have to go with eyefinity, with the 5870X2 coming out, running 6 apple cinema 30" or dell 30" would be absolutely amazing, for anything lol. and with 30" of screen and only 2" of bezel, its hardly noticable for me
Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Originally posted by: BFG10K
Option 3: neither interests me.

30" HP LP3065

Of course it doesn't. There are no 120hz 30" panels, and putting three of them next to each other is a bit unrealistic, considering the space but also cash you'd need. And the monitor would have to accept displayport...

For those of you who want to know what Eyefinity REALLY looks like: http://www.guru3d.com/article/...ity-editorial-review/6

Watch those video's. Personaly I'm sold. Now I just need to make sure you CAN actually use Eyefinity without using the displayport. Oh yeah, and I'll wait a wee bit longer, to make sure the ratio's are okay, unlike in CoD4 for example.

What it REALLY looks like? Those videos look exactly the same as others I have seen. I think the others has shown what it REALLY looks like also.

What we need, Marc, is something like THIS to bring the value of multimonitor gaming home. Nothing less will do IMHO.
In your video links, where the black bezels bisect the image, there is also a "staggering" of the adjacent image. In other words, its like when you open up a world atlas looking at a road that goes from the left page, past the binder, to the right page. They don't line up. Maybe that can be compensated for in software to account for different bezel thicknesses. If not now, maybe in the next revision of the software.

i saw that monitor like 2 months ago and i thought it was amazing, until i saw the resolution... not a very friendly one, especially if u want to use more than one..

oh yeah and lets not for get the $4000 price tag...
 

bfdd

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Originally posted by: T2k
Originally posted by: bfdd
I've never been a huge fan of 3d glasses and all that stuff, but having personally played with Nvidia's 3D Vision and talking to one of their engineers about it, I actually like it and wouldn't mind having it for certain games. It was actually pretty fucking cool if you had the setup with the like actual glasses and not the red/blue crap. I was really really surprised.

FYI Dell is running a promo w/ this 3D Vision kit (glasses, 120Hz 22" Samsung LCD, GTX260 1.8GB) included when you order their latest-greates Lynnfield-based Studio XPS 8000 machines... for $1,800 you get an i7 860 w/ 8GB memory, 1TB HDD etc etc Vista->Win7 64-bit and the whole NV 3D Vision shebang.

That's actually not to bad.