NV 12VHPWR issues revisited

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Fallen Kell

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bro its 2025 and nothing ever happens anymore, its a pirates world and laws basically don't exist unless you step on the wrong toes
Actually that is exactly why the insurance companies would be the ones to do this because they want to cover their own asses so they don't have to pay out. And yes, you are absolutely correct, the state/government won't do anything unless 10+ babies died from it... But in the same fashion, no one is regulating what an insurance company will need to pay out for in terms of claims, all they have to do is stipulate that they won't cover it and the insurance company is then protected from having to cover it in any future claim case.
 

Bigos

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A friend insists on 5070Ti and it seems all of the models use the 12V-2X6 connector. I guess it means there is no choice.

From what I understand, this version of the connector is "safer". The card also uses quite a lot less power than 4090/5090 that were burning. I would also expect the failure rate to be quite low overall, but I do not want a friend's house to burn for being the unlucky 1%...

Can 5070Ti with 12V-2X6 be considered "safe"? Are there cards with additional safety measures I could look into?
 

DrMrLordX

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Can 5070Ti with 12V-2X6 be considered "safe"? Are there cards with additional safety measures I could look into?
If he really wants it to be safe, he should possibly consider using one of the Ampinel or Thermal Grizzly devices. But yes lower wattage cards are less likely to cause problems.
 

coercitiv

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From what I understand, this version of the connector is "safer". The card also uses quite a lot less power than 4090/5090 that were burning. I would also expect the failure rate to be quite low overall, but I do not want a friend's house to burn for being the unlucky 1%...

Can 5070Ti with 12V-2X6 be considered "safe"? Are there cards with additional safety measures I could look into?
I would argue that ~250W is where the safe land ends for this connector, that's the napkin math upper threshold for a worst case scenario where only 2 wires can take most of the amperage and still stay close to max spec. Anything above that will introduce a slooowly increasing risk, culminating at whatever failure rate there is with 4090/5090 cards (still low, but not low enough considering the evidence in this thread).

That being said, I think your friend will be safe with a 5070 Ti as long as you take the most common precautions - good quality PSU with good quality cables (don't use an adapter, buy 12V-2x6 cable from PSU manufacturer if you have to) , proper insertion of the 12V-2x6 connector in a position where no strong bending is applied (at sharp angle). In other words make sure the card has ample room in the case of your friend's choice. Don't cut corners, Nvidia did that already for us :p

It would also be a great idea to limit the card power a little, lower it by 10-15% or better yet choose a card with dual bios and enable the "silent" one which usually does that in a more reliable manner.
 
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Ranulf

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I'm sorry, its a cool design but a fan... a bloody fan. We need a fan for power cables because Nvidia et. al are retards, cheap retards and made a bad design. I sent a picture of what a melted connector looked like to a buddy who got a new 5070. Told him to use two different pci-e cables on his y adapter that came with the card.
 

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Call it what you like but pretty sure it would bring some peace of mind to many 5090 owners.
What would REALLY do that is nVidia OWNING UP to the TOTAL CALAMITY of that power connection, and SCRAP IT from next gen onward.

As for this gen, nVidia should OWN UP to it when there are cables burned, AND PRAY that none of these instances result in a fire: been lucky thus far ... but one of these days, their luck runs out ...
 
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amenx

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What would REALLY do that is nVidia OWNING UP to the TOTAL CALAMITY of that power connection, and SCRAP IT from next gen onward.

As for this gen, nVidia should OWN UP to it when there are cables burned, AND PRAY that none of these instances result in a fire: been lucky thus far ... but one of these days, their luck runs out ...
2 separate things:

- ownership of the problem (Nvidia, AIBs incl Sapphire).
- and what current owners can do to prevent damage to their expensive GPUs

The more practical folks look to the latter.
 

amenx

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The most practical folks refuse to buy 5090s.
All relative. PC enthusiasts as a whole are not practical people but derive some personal value from their hobby. Similar to other hobbies, ie audiophiles who may spend $10000 on a pre-amp or DAC. Difference is in their budgets. Pretty sure many 5090 owners would be interested in ways to mitigate potential damage for their HW, and perhaps on a lesser level more practical folks who may have Sapphire 9700XTs or RTX 5080s.

Sadly at this stage not many solutions other than Asrock Taichi PSUs with thermal sensing cables. Until there is a major revision to the connector that completely eliminates the problem, all we can do is look at whatever solutions we may have at hand.
 

DrMrLordX

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ie audiophiles who may spend $10000 on a pre-amp or DAC. Difference is in their budgets.
It isn't the price that's the issue (per se). People aren't going to spend any amount of money on a pre-amp or a DAC that catches on fire!
 

amenx

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It isn't the price that's the issue (per se). People aren't going to spend any amount of money on a pre-amp or a DAC that catches on fire!
5090 owners are pretty much aware of what they're getting into. They've seen these issues before and many were 4090 owners. And most will likely be 6090 owners. Their risk/reward outlay had already been considered, incl downtime for RMAs or HW write off. I know one 5090 owner who had melted connectors and he went right out and bought another 5090.

If you visit the massive 5090 owners club thread (1400+ pages) @ overclock.net, very little discussion on connectors melting. Majority are enjoying their cards and quite a few are pushing their limits (1000w+).
 

DrMrLordX

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5090 owners are pretty much aware of what they're getting into.
My point is, the entire market should reject this product as faulty and not spend money on it. Any other behavior can't be considered "practical".
 
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