North Korea reportedly hands Trump another big win by releasing US prisoners

[HomerJS]

This would not have happened had Trump not stood up to little rocket man Un. He would have still been firing missles and demanding money to stop doing so. Trump said no and that he would face fire and fury if he actually hit anything. Then he put major trade pressure on China. China kept NK afloat with backdoor food, supplies and cash. China backed down and put pressure on fat boy Un.

Un finally backed down, released prisoners and wants to join the world economy.

Trump should get the Nobel Peace Prize..

Now.

To date Trump hasn't accomplished anything surpassing previous Presidents. I thought you were against undeserving NPPs?

Careful, your consistency thong is showing.

 

[Thebobo]

/unbumb because no one cares

 

[FelixDeCat]

To date Trump hasn't accomplished anything surpassing previous Presidents. I thought you were against undeserving NPPs?

Careful, your consistency thong is showing.

Refute anything I said. Trump is the greatest president of the 21st century. Obama was a clown and only appeased NK just like all typical politicians do.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

This would not have happened had Trump not stood up to little rocket man Un. He would have still been firing missles and demanding money to stop doing so. Trump said no and that he would face fire and fury if he actually hit anything. Then he put major trade pressure on China. China kept NK afloat with backdoor food, supplies and cash. China backed down and put pressure on fat boy Un.

Un finally backed down, released prisoners and wants to join the world economy.

Trump should get the Nobel Peace Prize..

Now.

If Trump gets a real & verifable end to the conflict I’ll support this idea. Getting Kim to sit down and release 3 prisoners is not enough.
Before you spout partisan shit look up to post #72 for my opinion

 

[HomerJS]

Refute anything I said. Trump is the greatest president of the 21st century. Obama was a clown and only appeased NK just like all typical politicians do.

I and most sane people refute it.

He does excel at one thing. The most corrupt President in history. I can back that up with facts not just make baseless pronouncements.

 

[brycejones]

Refute anything I said. Trump is the greatest president of the 21st century. Obama was a clown and only appeased NK just like all typical politicians do.

I give this troll post only 1/10. Felix you need to be more original, you've used the same shtick too often now. Time for some new material.

 

[Thebobo]

/unbumb #2

 

[Despoiler]

This is why Moon is suggesting Trump get the Nobel prize even though he had nothing to do with the push to peace. Trump is a vapid, narcissistic, ego-maniac that is easily emotionally manipulated.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...cohen-government-contract-20180509-story.html

 

[Amused]

Prisoner release from NK historic??? No, not really.

We've had prisoner exchanges in just about every administration. Something much more historic is currently happening. What's truly historic is the discovery of Michael Cohen's pay to play LLC by the lawyer of a porn star who is suing our president after being paid off during a campaign to keep quiet.

But wait, it gets better: We've never had a president pay off a porn star to cover up having banged her while his wife was home with their 4 month old son... and have that lead to the discovery that his lawyer was selling access to the administration. That's a first in our nation's history.

Now THAT my friends is the very definition of historic.

 

[hal2kilo]

Refute anything I said. Trump is the greatest president of the 21st century. Obama was a clown and only appeased NK just like all typical politicians do.

Hey, good Incorruptable imitation.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I give this troll post only 1/10. Felix you need to be more original, you've used the same shtick too often now. Time for some new material.

I doubt that he has any new material. None of the trolls hereabouts seem to. They all just seem to endlessly repeat themselves. The same talking points, posted over and over and over and over. <shrug>

 

[soundforbjt]

Trump’s holding a rally in Indiana about the released prisoners, anyone want to take bets on how much time he actually spends on that? It’ll be ME, ME , ME, look what I did.

 

[brycejones]

Trump’s holding a rally in Indiana about the released prisoners, anyone want to take bets on how much time he actually spends on that? It’ll be ME, ME , ME, look what I did.

It was amazing the way he led the SEAL team in with Sessions at his side.

 

[umbrella39]

I give this troll post only 1/10. Felix you need to be more original, you've used the same shtick too often now. Time for some new material.

He needs to hire a new writer...

 

[Atreus21]

The thing you should be afraid of is that it’s a transparently dishonest proposal. He has no plans to give up his nuclear weapons. All he would need to do is look at how Trump is handling the Iran deal to know that the US can no longer be trusted to honor its agreements.

Well, it can when they're passed by congress.

 

[ivwshane]

Remember when john Kelly went off on a congresswoman for supposedly taking credit for getting funding for the new fbi building? I wonder what he has to say about this because it certainly looks like trump is more interested in the press coverage he will get because of this as opposed to actually recovering some Americans.

 

[fskimospy]

Well, it can when they're passed by congress.

Oh really.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Ballistic_Missile_Treaty

So nope, totally wrong. What right wing media source did you hear this from? They are lying to you yet again.

I wish people would stop trying to bring up this nonsense and somehow blame Obama for Trump’s decision to violate international agreements and shred our credibility.

 

[Atreus21]

Oh really.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Ballistic_Missile_Treaty

So nope, totally wrong. What right wing media source did you hear this from? They are lying to you yet again.

I wish people would stop trying to bring up this nonsense and somehow blame Obama for Trump’s decision to violate international agreements and shred our credibility.

What am I missing? That was ratified by the US Senate. The Iran deal wasn't.

 

[zinfamous]

Trump’s holding a rally in Indiana about the released prisoners, anyone want to take bets on how much time he actually spends on that? It’ll be ME, ME , ME, look what I did.

He used the 3am TV spot to brag that the ratings for 3am were probably the best ever. Prisoners released after 1.5 years in NK, the president wants us to know that the ratings for the event are probably great.

What an objectively subhuman piece of garbage.

Also, one of those released, a journalist, is already criticizing the president's withdrawal from the Iran nuclear agreement. LoL--he can't possibly like that. Let's hope Donny tinyfingers indignantly tweets about this.

Also, there are still 5 US prisoners in NK. I didn't know that, wonder why we haven't been hearing more about it. My guess is this will be the limit of concessions that NK will allow during the meeting in June. We'll get the rest of the prisoners, and that's about it.

 

[fskimospy]

What am I missing? That was ratified by the US Senate. The Iran deal wasn't.

It was ratified by the US Senate and GWB unilaterally decided to exit the treaty anyway, just as Trump just did.

Senate ratification did nothing, so your argument that having the Senate ratify the Iran deal would have kept it in place seems misplaced, no?

 

[Atreus21]

It was ratified by the US Senate and GWB unilaterally decided to exit the treaty anyway, just as Trump just did.

Senate ratification did nothing, so your argument that having the Senate ratify the Iran deal would have kept it in place seems misplaced, no?

Not exactly what I'm saying. I'm saying that treaties established by executive fiat can be easily undone by the same measure, particularly when there's partisan rancor around them. Obamacare has been difficult to dislodge, despite ferocious partisan rancor, in part because it was one of the few of Obama's signature achievements that successfully went through congress.

DACA, the Paris accord, and the Iran deal, didn't. All an opposing president has to do is sign his name on a memo. All three issues are rightly questions for the legislature to decide, as Obamacare was.

It seems to me that democrats bet the farm on Hillary winning to perpetuate these policies. If so, that was foolish.

 

[fskimospy]

Not exactly what I'm saying. I'm saying that treaties established by executive fiat can be easily undone by the same measure, particularly when there's partisan rancor around them. Obamacare has been difficult to dislodge, despite ferocious partisan rancor, in part because it was one of the few of Obama's signature achievements that successfully went through congress.

DACA, the Paris accord, and the Iran deal, didn't. All an opposing president has to do is sign his name on a memo. All three issues are rightly questions for the legislature to decide, as Obamacare was.

It seems to me that democrats bet the farm on Hillary winning to perpetuate these policies. If so, that was foolish.

The ABM treaty successfully went through Congress with broad bipartisan approval and was easily undone through executive fiat. Having the Iran deal go through Congress would have done exactly nothing to prevent Trump from sabotaging it. Nothing.

I mean it goes without saying that the Iran deal never would have made it through the Senate as a treaty anyway due to reflexive Republican opposition so it was either this deal on executive authority or nothing. The deal was far, far better than nothing as North Korea so clearly shows, but...well... here we are.

 

[K1052]

Not exactly what I'm saying. I'm saying that treaties established by executive fiat can be easily undone by the same measure, particularly when there's partisan rancor around them. Obamacare has been difficult to dislodge, despite ferocious partisan rancor, in part because it was one of the few of Obama's signature achievements that successfully went through congress.

DACA, the Paris accord, and the Iran deal, didn't. All an opposing president has to do is sign his name on a memo. All three issues are rightly questions for the legislature to decide, as Obamacare was.

It seems to me that democrats bet the farm on Hillary winning to perpetuate these policies. If so, that was foolish.

Ratification isn't really a meaninful impediment to the executive withdrawing. Carter pulled out of the Taiwan Mutual defense treaty unilaterally and the already pointed out Bush withdrawal from the ABM treaty.

Trump will probably withdraw from NAFTA, Congressional approval be dammed.

 

[Atreus21]

The ABM treaty successfully went through Congress with broad bipartisan approval and was easily undone through executive fiat.

Yes, 30 years later.

Having the Iran deal go through Congress would have done exactly nothing to prevent Trump from sabotaging it. Nothing.

Do you truly think Trump wouldn't unilaterally repeal Obamacare if he could?

Again, that's beside the point. If you want any shot at permanence, get it through congress.

I mean it goes without saying that the Iran deal never would have made it through the Senate as a treaty anyway due to reflexive Republican opposition so it was either this deal on executive authority or nothing. The deal was far, far better than nothing as North Korea so clearly shows, but...well... here we are.

Reflexive Republican opposition doing the will of those who put them in power. Control of one branch of government doesn't grant the right to circumvent another branch except to do actions which are easily reversed.

 

[Atreus21]

Ratification isn't really a meaninful impediment to the executive withdrawing. Carter pulled out of the Taiwan Mutual defense treaty unilaterally and the already pointed out Bush withdrawal from the ABM treaty.

Trump will probably withdraw from NAFTA, Congressional approval be dammed.

No treaty is completely safe from unilateral action. But certainly those arrived at by acts of congress are much more durable than those established by executive order.