North Korea reportedly hands Trump another big win by releasing US prisoners

[K1052]

We have an opportunity to get everything we want (US out of the Korean Peninsula, strong Chinese influence in both Koreas). The US administration won’t even understand what we are shooting for so play along and you’ll get a shit load of whatever you want, (cake probably).

ding

 

[FelixDeCat]

You guys are going to feel really stupid for so desperately celebrating this when North Korea doesn’t give up its nuclear weapons.

This is what Im afraid of. The problem with Un's proposal is that it could eventually lead to his downfall and maybe even imprisonment.

 

[fskimospy]

This is what Im afraid of. The problem with Un's proposal is that it could eventually lead to his downfall and maybe even imprisonment.

The thing you should be afraid of is that it’s a transparently dishonest proposal. He has no plans to give up his nuclear weapons. All he would need to do is look at how Trump is handling the Iran deal to know that the US can no longer be trusted to honor its agreements.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

This is what Im afraid of. The problem with Un's proposal is that it could eventually lead to his downfall and maybe even imprisonment.

You need to be afraid of what North Korea has always done. Promise change, then yank the rug out when they get some concessions. Celebrate, as all of us will, when they actually follow through.

 

[K1052]

The thing you should be afraid of is that it’s a transparently dishonest proposal. He has no plans to give up his nuclear weapons. All he would need to do is look at how Trump is handling the Iran deal to know that the US can no longer be trusted to honor its agreements.

SK is likely to give NK a wink and nod that they don't really have to anyway. SK will tolerate a nuclear NK as long as the situation stabilizes.

Building nukes will turn out to be a stellar investment for the Kim regime.

 

[brycejones]

You need to be afraid of what North Korea has always done. Promise change, then yank the rug out when they get some concessions. Celebrate, as all of us will, when they actually follow through.

So much this. We've been down this road again and again.

 

[fskimospy]

You need to be afraid of what North Korea has always done. Promise change, then yank the rug out when they get some concessions. Celebrate, as all of us will, when they actually follow through.

I would be very interested for someone to tell me a plausible scenario in which North Korea gives up its nuclear weapons. A US promise not to invade? Worthless. Chinese promises to extend their nuclear umbrella? Better, but hardly any assurance long term. I can see North Korea promising to end testing and missile launches but actually give up its weapons? Fat chance.

I know Trump supporters are desperate for any good news but this comically premature celebration is just going to make you all look dumb.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I would be very interested for someone to tell me a plausible scenario in which North Korea gives up its nuclear weapons. A US promise not to invade? Worthless. Chinese promises to extend their nuclear umbrella? Better, but hardly any assurance long term. I can see North Korea promising to end testing and missile launches but actually give up its weapons? Fat chance.

I know Trump supporters are desperate for any good news but this comically premature celebration is just going to make you all look dumb.

You're asking for rational from the irrational though.

I mean come on. It's Felix...

 

[Thebobo]

The first president to finally fix the North Korean nuclear issue.

If this come to fruition Donald Trump should get a Nobel Peace Prize!

Four other presidents had "fixed" it as well.

 

[HomerJS]

Yet Bronco gets one just for being elected? Pfft. Little Rocket Man would not have even done this had Trump not pressured the Chinese with trade tariffs. The Chinese were supporting Un.

This wouldn't have happened if the President of SK didn't go into his term claiming in advance he wanted an agreement with NK. Also Un was impressed with SK infrastructure during Olympics and it highlighted how behind his country is.

BTW - Since you became an adult how many serious disputes have you solved yelling, screaming, name calling, cursing and stamping your feet? Once you answer that Trump deserving any Nobel Prize is self evident.

For the record Obama should not have gotten his either. See I can can actually admit that. Its called honesty. You and Trump may want to try it.

 

[UNCjigga]

You guys need to admit that Trump is 10x the president Bronco was. And no way would Hillary make Un do this. Should would have done the usual appeasement dance like all normal politicians do.

No. Just...no. And I say that as someone who'd be supportive of Trump sharing a peace prize with Moon Jae-in and possibly Xi Jinping (it would be HILARIOUS if Kim Jong Un got in on this but that's even less likely than Trump.)

But even if he's more deserving of a peace prize, Trump will never be even 1/10 the President Obama was. Who knows what path Clinton would've taken, but she would not have resorted to brinkmanship to push NK to this conclusion, that's for sure.

I really, really hope Trump gets a win here, because it'd be one of the few occasions where everyone wins with Trump. Hopefully he'll get that peace prize before he's kicked out of office.

 

[pauldun170]

You guys are going to feel really stupid for so desperately celebrating this when North Korea doesn’t give up its nuclear weapons.

North Korea symbolically releasing prisoners? Been there done that.
They know US has a short attention span and releasing prisoners plays good on TV.
It's a gift to whoever is sitting in the white house because they get credit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...d_in_North_Korea#List_of_detained_US_citizens

South Korea has already stated they want US forces to remain.
Reunification isn't going to happen based on North Korean requirements. Kim knows that the current South Korean government will not accept North Korean power structure to remain in place. south Korea is not ready for million North Korea flooding the labor market.
So what's the outcome of this?
The US can sign an official "peace treaty" but there is still the matter of the bajillion sanctions and controls that have been placed on Korea.
We sign peace treaty and now they are going to allow financial institutions with North Korea?
Don't think so.
We sign a "smiley happy face letter with laced with Trump towers logo and we pack up all our troops?
Don't think so.

Token bullshit moves by Kim who has been playing the long game along with Russia.
Russia and been supplying the Koreans for awhile now and for the Koreans to shut down local test sites means absolute dick when the real work has been funneled in over Russian ferries and transport planes. The rest moved over to more more isolated areas farther north through tunnels systems. Are we going to ask them to give up missiles as well?
Good luck with that.

This move is to ease up some of the sanctions and stuff that's imposing excess controls on trade\movement between Russia, China and other trade routes. If Kim is doing this right, he will get some joint industry at the border to restart cash flow into his government and rebuild the economy.

End result is the same.
Any shitbag dictator can get the US to back off and come to the table if it sets off some borrowed Russian nukes and missiles.

Having said that, we should not have waited for North Korea to launch a couple of missiles and blow up a mountain before finalizing the Korean war. Bush\Rumsfeld\Cheney in their big push to come up with boogeymen (Axis of Evil) blew an opportunity and punted NK into Putins hands.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Other than a "possible" prisoner release, Trump hasn't "won" anything yet. We will see how the "meeting" goes. He hasn't fvcked that up..yet. It's pretty clear that Trump is one of the worst negotiators who has ever been in DC. I'd be far more optimistic if even Pompeo or Tillerson were leading the talks.

The 3 big questions (there are more but the central ones) are:

1. Can the US and North Korea agree on a definition of "denuclearization?"

2. Is the US willing to lift sanctions?

3. Can the US accept North Korea being essentially a member of the nuclear club?

I think this is a combination of things in play here...

1. Kim's nuke test site is destroyed.
2. China's finally putting on considerable pressure.
3. Trump is the first president credibly crazy enough to attack NK without giving SK's safety much thought. NK has never had to deal with that before.
4. Kim knows he can start pulling crap again in a few years anyway. Only this time, its possible there won't be a big build up of American troops there.

 

[Jhhnn]

You guys are going to feel really stupid for so desperately celebrating this when North Korea doesn’t give up its nuclear weapons.

There's no way to know for sure, anyway. It's not like Iran where the IAEA monitored production of fissile materials all along.

It's Trump, so who the fuck knows, right? If he renounces the Iran deal then Kim would look like a fool to bargain with him at all. OTOH, imagine how much money oil speculators could make if they knew for sure that he would...

Maybe Little Rocket Man is just being taken for a ride... let's face it- Trump's trademark move is the ol' pump & dump...

 

[WHAMPOM]

good news.

http://www.businessinsider.com/north-korea-releases-us-prisoners-2018-5

North Korea has released three US citizens detained there, the Financial Times reported Wednesday, citing a South Korean activist who campaigns for the release of detainees.

The releases would meet some of the US's demands for North Korea to demonstrate sincerity before a historic meeting between President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un

Worked out so good for the last prisoner NK released did it not.

 

[UberNeuman]

Worked out so good for the last prisoner NK released did it not.

Outhouse plays global strategies and relations the same way a chicken plays tic-tac-toe.

*included, free picture of what a chicken playing tic-tac-toe looks like.

 

[allisolm]

Okay.
1. Why is Trump's personal lawyer making announcements about the release of US prisoners from North Korea?

2. And why is the White House saying they know nothing and aren't involved?

"We can’t confirm the validity of any of the reports currently out about their release,” White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said on Thursday. “But we certainly would see this as a sign of good will if North Korea were to release the three Americans ahead of discussions...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/north-korea-to-release-3-u-s-prisoners-giuliani-says-1525361479

3. And where are they? I've seen nothing about them actually having been released.

 

[Victorian Gray]

The first president to finally fix the North Korean nuclear issue.

If this come to fruition Donald Trump should get a Nobel Peace Prize!

Why? General Secretary XI seems to be the one behind all this.

Pooh strikes again.

 

[kage69]

So much this. We've been down this road again and again.

At least we have the very real change of an American 'president' giving compliments to North Korean dictators though, right?

Funny how KJU is now a very honorable guy, it's like someone has already forgotten their own talking points from just a few weeks ago. My how things have changed since the fat kid was 'pruning the family tree' with 57mm and mortars. Sorry Warmbiers, shitting on the dead and maybe remembering their names is what this prick does.

Back in 2016 I posted here that while I found the idea of Casino Mussolini in office to be abhorrent, there was something to be said for the cowboy/nutjob element when it comes to foreign policy. I stand by those words, but will reserve my grats and praise for a time when they are called for. It's been encouraging of late, but this is far from over.

 

[kage69]

We have an opportunity to get everything we want (US out of the Korean Peninsula, strong Chinese influence in both Koreas). The US administration won’t even understand what we are shooting for so play along and you’ll get a shit load of whatever you want, (cake probably).

That is not going to happen, even with an official end to the war. Sorry guys.

There would be a huge scale back of armor and infantry of course, but there will be at least a single US airbase in South Korea no matter what (Daegu). Security agreements with Seoul are not linked to the Armistice AFAIK, and SK has more to worry about than just NK.

 

[OutHouse]

Outhouse plays global strategies and relations the same way a chicken plays tic-tac-toe.

how would you like your crow?

Okay.
1. Why is Trump's personal lawyer making announcements about the release of US prisoners from North Korea?

2. And why is the White House saying they know nothing and aren't involved?

"We can’t confirm the validity of any of the reports currently out about their release,” White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said on Thursday. “But we certainly would see this as a sign of good will if North Korea were to release the three Americans ahead of discussions...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/north-korea-to-release-3-u-s-prisoners-giuliani-says-1525361479

3. And where are they? I've seen nothing about them actually having been released.

who cares, the hostages are on their way home and a time and date was set for the US/NK summit. its just a day full of wins.

but will reserve my grats and praise for a time when they are called for. It's been encouraging of late, but this is far from over.

Time to own up.

 

[Homerboy]

The first president to finally fix the North Korean nuclear issue.

If this come to fruition Donald Trump should get a Nobel Peace Prize!

I assume by "first president" you mean Moon Jae-in, right? Rest assured this was his doing and not Trumps. Exactly what role do you think Trump played in this?

 

[HomerJS]

I assume by "first president" you mean Moon Jae-in, right? Rest assured this was his doing and not Trumps. Exactly what role do you think Trump played in this?

Here's something that will answer that question.

Since you've become an adult have any major disputes in your life been settled due to yelling, screaming, name calling, cursing and stamping your feet like a toddler?

 

[K1052]

That is not going to happen, even with an official end to the war. Sorry guys.

There would be a huge scale back of armor and infantry of course, but there will be at least a single US airbase in South Korea no matter what (Daegu). Security agreements with Seoul are not linked to the Armistice AFAIK, and SK has more to worry about than just NK.

Trump wanted to withdraw all US military forces from SK unilaterally. His own advisors had to stop him from doing that. I wouldn't make assumptions that the US will retain any presence long term given his inclinations and that suits the other side of this negotiation perfectly.

 

[OutHouse]

I assume by "first president" you mean Moon Jae-in, right? Rest assured this was his doing and not Trumps. Exactly what role do you think Trump played in this?

more frothing at the mouth liberal BS... Evidently trump had a large role in this historic moment that even Moon wants Trump to get the Nobel.
Does giving trump credit make you want to cry?

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-...p-should-get-Nobel-Peace-Prize/5171525092958/