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NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! /me got the law handed to him tonight
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This is the obvious question:
Isn't the job of a marine to protect Citizens and not endanger them?
I mean If every gov employee can get away with speeding then whats not stopping them from speeding a little faster and faster. As long as they know they are gonna get out of it. Although you definitly weren't driving out of control its still 16 over the limit is quite steep. I think 10 and under is acceptable.
I mean look at the movie the Glass Shield All cops protect each other and if you don't you may get your ass beat.
I just heard on the radio that in japan and the american goverment. If a navy officer is accused of any crime the navy doesn't have to give them to japanese authorities until the trial has been determined to be neccessary. Although the case I was hearing is that the US has just started voluntarily giving over the personel because the japanese where getting angry.
I think the same thing about UN delagates. Every few years you hear about some delagate who drunkly causes $150,000 in damages and doesn't is protected.
Yeah, he "uses his position to get out of a ticket" like i use "my position" to get a discount at hundreds of locations around the country. Like the starbucks employee "uses his position" to get free coffee. I don't know what planet some of you are from, but you need to step out of your bubble and into the real world. Jesus, it's not like the guy asked to be let off because he was military. Are you going to arrest the blonde for flirting as well?
Vic
Elite Member
There is only ONE law, not one for one type of people and one for a different kind. I will be happy to compensate and respect our hard-working military people in any way possible, but they should never be above the law. That way lies corruption.
You want to know how this works when it goes too far? Roughly 10 years ago, a friend of mine was driving down a highway when a cop's wife crossed the center line and they hit very offset head-on. All the evidence at the scene showed that it was the cop's wife fault: the impact was well into my friend's lane, etc. The stretch of the highway my friend was on was a long mostly straight downhill section. After the accident, he was knocked unconscious and the brakes in his car were disabled. His car coasted downhill for about a quarter-mile or so before it stopped into an embankment. Wanna see how the "Good 'Ol Boy" network fixes everything for their buddies? Despite the fact that my friend was in a coma for 3 days, they said it was a "hit-and-run" and put all the fault on him, and cleared the cop's wife who crossed the center line in the first place. :| <^>
You want to know how this works when it goes too far? Roughly 10 years ago, a friend of mine was driving down a highway when a cop's wife crossed the center line and they hit very offset head-on. All the evidence at the scene showed that it was the cop's wife fault: the impact was well into my friend's lane, etc. The stretch of the highway my friend was on was a long mostly straight downhill section. After the accident, he was knocked unconscious and the brakes in his car were disabled. His car coasted downhill for about a quarter-mile or so before it stopped into an embankment. Wanna see how the "Good 'Ol Boy" network fixes everything for their buddies? Despite the fact that my friend was in a coma for 3 days, they said it was a "hit-and-run" and put all the fault on him, and cleared the cop's wife who crossed the center line in the first place. :| <^>
"All men are equal before the law."
Or at least, they should be. There was a thread in ATOT awhile back asking why cops are despised. The debate here eloquently answers that question: Selective Enforcement/Abuse of Power.
There is a HUGE difference between government and the private sector. Government is the only entity we the people allow the use of force. It is the only entity that can enforce the law. The two, of course, go hand in hand; one cannot have one without the other. Once you agree with the principle of selective enforcement, you're on the road to fascism.
If someone in the private sector wants to give a cop a free donut, that's fine. If someone breaks a law and gets off because he's well-connected because he gives cops free donuts, that's just wrong.
ThaGrandCow, I respect you for being part of our military, but I do not believe that you understand that the action you attempted (to get out of the ticket) undermines the values our nation was founded on.
Or at least, they should be. There was a thread in ATOT awhile back asking why cops are despised. The debate here eloquently answers that question: Selective Enforcement/Abuse of Power.
There is a HUGE difference between government and the private sector. Government is the only entity we the people allow the use of force. It is the only entity that can enforce the law. The two, of course, go hand in hand; one cannot have one without the other. Once you agree with the principle of selective enforcement, you're on the road to fascism.
If someone in the private sector wants to give a cop a free donut, that's fine. If someone breaks a law and gets off because he's well-connected because he gives cops free donuts, that's just wrong.
ThaGrandCow, I respect you for being part of our military, but I do not believe that you understand that the action you attempted (to get out of the ticket) undermines the values our nation was founded on.
Brutuskend
Lifer
Yes, and I WON!
And lost. 🙁
And lost. 🙁
getting free coffee doesn't endanger anyone's lives.
the monetary issue is besides the point. I don't think anyone has problems with trying to weasel your way out of paying. But speed limits are there for a reason, and it's dangerous when people don't feel as though it applies to them.
I'm all for the way they used to do it in england, where the ticket fines were scaled to your income. Because as it is, a 300 dollar fine for the convertible-driving plastic surgeon for speeding along in the breakdown lane of the highway means nothing, effectively meaning that he can drive on the shoulder when he wants.
that reminds me of the thread with the story about the guy who was mad a doc parked in front of his house so he took two of his cars and perpendicular parked them right up against the doctor's car. and then the doc got a page and rammed his cars and sent him the bill 😀
alkemyst
No Lifer
Are you one of those Marines/Miltary guys that talk about I could have died / we fought well / I was lucky to survive all the while working a pencil pushing job stateside?
Around here it's getting played out being military / firefighter etc....those guys that fought and died served well, some guy jumping on their bandwagon is just a freak and it happens all the time. It's usually the most cowardly, puniest ones that are the loudest.
The best quote I ever heard was in a bar when this guy (who kept bragging about being a Marine and all this crap of seeing action meanwhile being a 130-150lb pencil neck) goes to a bigger guy who told him we was a pu*#y and the only action he saw was probably the hole he drilled in the womens bathroom he cleaned (or something like that) "Look you stupid F*@k! I am a marine and I will kick your...." mid-sentence he was punched dead in the face and freaking started crying "man that was totally uncalled for *sniff sniff* I served my country *sniff sniff*".
the guy ended up buying the 'marine' a drink and that was the last we hear of his bragging.
Around here it's getting played out being military / firefighter etc....those guys that fought and died served well, some guy jumping on their bandwagon is just a freak and it happens all the time. It's usually the most cowardly, puniest ones that are the loudest.
The best quote I ever heard was in a bar when this guy (who kept bragging about being a Marine and all this crap of seeing action meanwhile being a 130-150lb pencil neck) goes to a bigger guy who told him we was a pu*#y and the only action he saw was probably the hole he drilled in the womens bathroom he cleaned (or something like that) "Look you stupid F*@k! I am a marine and I will kick your...." mid-sentence he was punched dead in the face and freaking started crying "man that was totally uncalled for *sniff sniff* I served my country *sniff sniff*".
the guy ended up buying the 'marine' a drink and that was the last we hear of his bragging.
ThaGrandCow
Diamond Member
Gladly.
My name is PFC Stanton, and I'm based out of the reserve center here in Roanoke, VA at the moment. You can get the phone number from yellowpages.com, and if you can't find it I'll give it to you when I get home from work tonight. Make sure you spell my name right, I believe there's a Staunton running around the center too and I want to make sure they grab me when they tell me this story about the angry man who called up demanding I be punished for ranting on an internet forum about getting a ticket. Feel free to call up, I did nothing wrong. You seem to be on some kind of crusade against anyone having any favors done to them in life. As I stated before, I never specifically asked the cop to let me go, and I never came out and said I was a Marine. All I did was let the EGA on my wallet sit face up instead of sitting face down, and had a set of my camos on my front seat (they were already there). Did I do anything wrong? Hell no. Did I "abuse my ethical commitment" or however that crap argument you threw out there was stated? Hell no again. Did I try to use my position to get an unfair advantage? Not in my opinion. You ever get a ticket before? Did you start acting all remorseful in hopes that the cop would take pity and let you go? Did you start apologizing profusely? If you were a woman, would you have cried? Has a cop ever clocked you at more than 10 over, then he knocked the ticket down to say 59 in a 50 so you would have less of a fine? If he did would you have requested that he write you a ticket for the correct higher speed limit? Human nature, as I stated before.
In fact, if you call up, please record the conversation and post it in an MP3 so I can hear it. I'd absolutely love to hear the laugh they give when you tell them the story.
As for the other people that said "you got out of a ticket before and went speeding again???":
I was coasting down a hill and went a bit faster than I thought I was going. It was on a straight stretch of freeway and there were no pedestrians around for miles. It's not like I was tearing through the city streets doing 90. 65-70 is standard flow of traffic on that stretch of road anyways. The police put cars out there because they know just about everyone is over the limit so they can fill their quotas quickly. I can see someone coming back in a few minutes saying "well then you should be going the limit and nothing over." Standard flow of traffic in many areas is well above the limit. Look on almost any turnpike, or any of the major roads in CA or otherwise heavily populated cities with a lot of people trying to get somewhere fast. I've been in CA recently and the standard flow of traffic is 80. In a 55. The cops will actually pull you over if you're not doing at least 70 and tell you to speed up because you are endangering the other drivers on the road.
Your company GIVES you those benefits. The government STRICTLY forbids using your position for personal gain.
As for the blonde flirting with the cop.....how is that illegal? It isn't illegal. If the cop caves in then it is his problem. What he did to get out of past tickets is illegal. It is a violation of his code of ethics.
As for my position. I am a US Federal employee. That is all that needs to be said. My position with the government is at high risk for terrorist attacks. Everyone at my command takes this very seriously. A person from my division was actually killed in the 9/11 attacks.
ThaGrandCow
Diamond Member
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Are you one of those Marines/Miltary guys that talk about I could have died / we fought well / I was lucky to survive all the while working a pencil pushing job stateside?
Around here it's getting played out being military / firefighter etc....those guys that fought and died served well, some guy jumping on their bandwagon is just a freak and it happens all the time. It's usually the most cowardly, puniest ones that are the loudest.
The best quote I ever heard was in a bar when this guy (who kept bragging about being a Marine and all this crap of seeing action meanwhile being a 130-150lb pencil neck) goes to a bigger guy who told him we was a pu*#y and the only action he saw was probably the hole he drilled in the womens bathroom he cleaned (or something like that) "Look you stupid F*@k! I am a marine and I will kick your...." mid-sentence he was punched dead in the face and freaking started crying "man that was totally uncalled for *sniff sniff* I served my country *sniff sniff*".
the guy ended up buying the 'marine' a drink and that was the last we hear of his bragging.
Nope, my position is as a Combat Engineer. I go in with the first wave of the grunts and do all the work the grunts refuse to do (clearing landmines :Q) and a lot they wish they could do (playing with mass quantities of explosives and blowing lots of sh!t up 😀) I do lots of other stuff too, but it's all as far from being a pencil pusher as possible.
ThaGrandCow
Diamond Member
So the woman who flirts with the cop and gets out of it, that's legal. But me in my car, if I get out of it I'm breaking the law because the cop could cave for a hot woman but not because he notices that I'm in the military and decides to cut me a break?
I'm still waiting for a reason that I broke the law, other than "you abused your position"
How?
Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow
Gladly.
My name is PFC Stanton, and I'm based out of the reserve center here in Roanoke, VA at the moment. You can get the phone number from yellowpages.com, and if you can't find it I'll give it to you when I get home from work tonight. Make sure you spell my name right, I believe there's a Staunton running around the center too and I want to make sure they grab me when they tell me this story about the angry man who called up demanding I be punished for ranting on an internet forum about getting a ticket. Feel free to call up, I did nothing wrong. You seem to be on some kind of crusade against anyone having any favors done to them in life. As I stated before, I never specifically asked the cop to let me go, and I never came out and said I was a Marine. All I did was let the EGA on my wallet sit face up instead of sitting face down, and had a set of my camos on my front seat (they were already there). Did I do anything wrong? Hell no. Did I "abuse my ethical commitment" or however that crap argument you threw out there was stated? Hell no again. Did I try to use my position to get an unfair advantage? Not in my opinion. You ever get a ticket before? Did you start acting all remorseful in hopes that the cop would take pity and let you go? Did you start apologizing profusely? If you were a woman, would you have cried? Has a cop ever clocked you at more than 10 over, then he knocked the ticket down to say 59 in a 50 so you would have less of a fine? If he did would you have requested that he write you a ticket for the correct higher speed limit? Human nature, as I stated before.
In fact, if you call up, please record the conversation and post it in an MP3 so I can hear it. I'd absolutely love to hear the laugh they give when you tell them the story.
As for the other people that said "you got out of a ticket before and went speeding again???":
I was coasting down a hill and went a bit faster than I thought I was going. It was on a straight stretch of freeway and there were no pedestrians around for miles. It's not like I was tearing through the city streets doing 90. 65-70 is standard flow of traffic on that stretch of road anyways. The police put cars out there because they know just about everyone is over the limit so they can fill their quotas quickly. I can see someone coming back in a few minutes saying "well then you should be going the limit and nothing over." Standard flow of traffic in many areas is well above the limit. Look on almost any turnpike, or any of the major roads in CA or otherwise heavily populated cities with a lot of people trying to get somewhere fast. I've been in CA recently and the standard flow of traffic is 80. In a 55. The cops will actually pull you over if you're not doing at least 70 and tell you to speed up because you are endangering the other drivers on the road.
You can sugarcoat it anyway you want. Just like people sugarcoat pirating software. It doesn't make it anymore legal. Am I actually going to pursue this?? No. I truthfully have better things to do with my time. I just hope that one day you get busted with your attitude.
Yeah I have had a number of tickets myself. I haven't been lucky enough to get out of them. Of course I haven't received a ticket since I started my federal service so I honestly don't know how I would handle the situation but I would not try to use my position to get out of the ticket. I have better ethics and morals than that.
I guess I take my position seriously.
I have no problems with people doing favors for each other. It is all about who you know but I do not agree with any favors that violate the law.
A cop does have some discretion as to whether or not to write the ticket.
The first time I ever got pulled over for speeding the cop let me go. i deserved the ticket (I was doing 85-90 mph, passed him in the left lane & kept on going), but he let me go.
I have NO problem with a cop extending the favor to someone else, & if a marine is who he gives it to it's A-OK in my book.
Viper GTS
The first time I ever got pulled over for speeding the cop let me go. i deserved the ticket (I was doing 85-90 mph, passed him in the left lane & kept on going), but he let me go.
I have NO problem with a cop extending the favor to someone else, & if a marine is who he gives it to it's A-OK in my book.
Viper GTS
Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow
So the woman who flirts with the cop and gets out of it, that's legal. But me in my car, if I get out of it I'm breaking the law because the cop could cave for a hot woman but not because he notices that I'm in the military and decides to cut me a break?
I'm still waiting for a reason that I broke the law, other than "you abused your position"
How?
I swear.....why did you get out of the tickets in the past? Because you used your position for personal gain. That is illegal. I don't care about the ifs, ands, and buts. You got out because of your position. Now I could be wrong about your code of ethics. As I stated, I am not military. I just know that every federal employee is supposed to follow the same code of ethics as me.
Hell the biggest thing drilled into my head is the fact that I am not even supposed to do anything that could be interpreted as a violation of the code of ethics.
OMG, spare us all. So he has gotten out of a couple of speeding tickets here and there. So what? Lets say you were in the military and a cop decided to cut you a break even though you didn't ask to be let off... what would you do? Tell the cop, "No thanks, give me the ticket, I deserved it". Or would you just say thanks and go on your way. My guess is you would take it (the break), as would pretty much everyone whether they would admit to it or not.
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