NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! /me got the law handed to him tonight

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

I guess I take my position seriously.

OMG, spare us all. So he has gotten out of a couple of speeding tickets here and there. So what? Lets say you were in the military and a cop decided to cut you a break even though you didn't ask to be let off... what would you do? Tell the cop, "No thanks, give me the ticket, I deserved it". Or would you just say thanks and go on your way. My guess is you would take it (the break), as would pretty much everyone whether they would admit to it or not.

And you didn't read the entire thread.........I already explained that situation.

 

[Thraxen]

And you didn't read the entire thread.........I already explained that situation.

OK, found it. To that I say, I would bet money you are liar. But that's just my opinion.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

And you didn't read the entire thread.........I already explained that situation.

OK, found it. To that I say, I would bet money you are liar. But that's just my opinion.

Am I supposed to care??? Opinions are just like assholes, everyone has one

I would also prefer not to lose my job or get into that type of mess with my work.

EDIT: I don't understand why people find it so amazing that some people try to be honest and ethical.

 

[DJFuji]

so if im reading you correctly, you're saying that if a cop pulled you over, came up and saw your DoD sticker, or whatever security insignia you have on your vehicle and said "hey i used to work at that office/base/dept! Where do you work?"

And you said "in the IT/Mgmt dept, sector 5," to which he replied,

"hey i did too! it's great to hear the dept is still doing ok. Well hey, i'm not going to give you a ticket, but slow down, ok?"

and you would say "no, no, i was speeding, going over the legal limit, i insist that you give me a ticket" ????

Is that what you're saying?

 

[ThaGrandCow]

Originally posted by: DJ Fuji
so if im reading you correctly, you're saying that if a cop pulled you over, came up and saw your DoD sticker, or whatever security insignia you have on your vehicle and said "hey i used to work at that office/base/dept! Where do you work?"

And you said "in the IT/Mgmt dept, sector 5," to which he replied,

"hey i did too! it's great to hear the dept is still doing ok. Well hey, i'm not going to give you a ticket, but slow down, ok?"

and you would say "no, no, i was speeding, going over the legal limit, i insist that you give me a ticket" ????

Is that what you're saying?

Yeah that's what he's saying.
Anyone who believes that, raise your hand.
<all hands stay down except his own, followed by another circular argument where he claims that would be violating the code of ethics>

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow

Originally posted by: DJ Fuji
so if im reading you correctly, you're saying that if a cop pulled you over, came up and saw your DoD sticker, or whatever security insignia you have on your vehicle and said "hey i used to work at that office/base/dept! Where do you work?"

And you said "in the IT/Mgmt dept, sector 5," to which he replied,

"hey i did too! it's great to hear the dept is still doing ok. Well hey, i'm not going to give you a ticket, but slow down, ok?"

and you would say "no, no, i was speeding, going over the legal limit, i insist that you give me a ticket" ????

Is that what you're saying?

Yeah that's what he's saying.
Anyone who believes that, raise your hand.
<all hands stay down except his own, followed by another circular argument where he claims that would be violating the code of ethics>

I swear, you are so full of sh*t.....

You know damn well you have implied that you PURPOSELY play the military card. It is totally something different if the conversion comes up innocently and the cop was going to let you off anyways.

Of course that isn't what you do. You try your fvcking best to use your position to get you out of tickets......

My point is that I have no control over what other people do. If the cop wants to let me go then so be it BUT I will not play the government position card to get out of a ticket. That is exactly the game you try to play.

EDIT:

Straight from the horses mouth.

"Federal employees must not use their public office for their own or another's private gain. Employees are not to use their position or title associated with their office to induce a benefit for themselves or others."

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow

Originally posted by: DJ Fuji
so if im reading you correctly, you're saying that if a cop pulled you over, came up and saw your DoD sticker, or whatever security insignia you have on your vehicle and said "hey i used to work at that office/base/dept! Where do you work?"

And you said "in the IT/Mgmt dept, sector 5," to which he replied,

"hey i did too! it's great to hear the dept is still doing ok. Well hey, i'm not going to give you a ticket, but slow down, ok?"

and you would say "no, no, i was speeding, going over the legal limit, i insist that you give me a ticket" ????

Is that what you're saying?

Yeah that's what he's saying.
Anyone who believes that, raise your hand.
<all hands stay down except his own, followed by another circular argument where he claims that would be violating the code of ethics>

I don't see what his beef is. All you did was sit there, you didn't initiate by saying "I'm a marine, can you let me go." You wished he would have let you go, nothing wrong with that. Had he known you were a marine initially and still gave you a ticket, I'm sure you wouldn't have been anymore upset than anyone else out there getting a ticket. Codewiz needs to get off his high horse and go back to screening airline passengers.

KK

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow

Originally posted by: DJ Fuji
so if im reading you correctly, you're saying that if a cop pulled you over, came up and saw your DoD sticker, or whatever security insignia you have on your vehicle and said "hey i used to work at that office/base/dept! Where do you work?"

And you said "in the IT/Mgmt dept, sector 5," to which he replied,

"hey i did too! it's great to hear the dept is still doing ok. Well hey, i'm not going to give you a ticket, but slow down, ok?"

and you would say "no, no, i was speeding, going over the legal limit, i insist that you give me a ticket" ????

Is that what you're saying?

Yeah that's what he's saying.
Anyone who believes that, raise your hand.
<all hands stay down except his own, followed by another circular argument where he claims that would be violating the code of ethics>

I don't see what his beef is. All you did was sit there, you didn't initiate by saying "I'm a marine, can you let me go." You wished he would have let you go, nothing wrong with that. Had he known you were a marine initially and still gave you a ticket, I'm sure you wouldn't have been anymore upset than anyone else out there getting a ticket. Codewiz needs to get off his high horse and go back to screening airline passengers.

KK

LOL

No I don't work at an airport. I work on a military base. This guy doesn't just sit their innocently, he tries to use his position in the military. He admits to trying to show his military ID or pointing out his military sticker. That is trying to use his position for personal gain.

I am done with this. If you aren't a government employee then you don't understand how serious most people take this. I can't speak for the military but most civilian federal employees I know take this very seriously.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow

Originally posted by: DJ Fuji
so if im reading you correctly, you're saying that if a cop pulled you over, came up and saw your DoD sticker, or whatever security insignia you have on your vehicle and said "hey i used to work at that office/base/dept! Where do you work?"

And you said "in the IT/Mgmt dept, sector 5," to which he replied,

"hey i did too! it's great to hear the dept is still doing ok. Well hey, i'm not going to give you a ticket, but slow down, ok?"

and you would say "no, no, i was speeding, going over the legal limit, i insist that you give me a ticket" ????

Is that what you're saying?

Yeah that's what he's saying.
Anyone who believes that, raise your hand.
<all hands stay down except his own, followed by another circular argument where he claims that would be violating the code of ethics>

I don't see what his beef is. All you did was sit there, you didn't initiate by saying "I'm a marine, can you let me go." You wished he would have let you go, nothing wrong with that. Had he known you were a marine initially and still gave you a ticket, I'm sure you wouldn't have been anymore upset than anyone else out there getting a ticket. Codewiz needs to get off his high horse and go back to screening airline passengers.

KK

LOL

No I don't work at an airport. I work on a military base. This guy doesn't just sit their innocently, he tries to use his position in the military. He admits to trying to show his military ID or pointing out his military sticker. That is trying to use his position for personal gain.

I am done with this. If you aren't a government employee then you don't understand how serious most people take this. I can't speak for the military but most civilian federal employees I know take this very seriously.

Maybe I missed something here.

Mr. Cow, when you get pulled over, do you show your military ID or point to you sticker on the car? Have you ever done that or announced straight up to the cop you were a marine? If the police officer asked "where you going?" and you say back to the base, I wouldn't count that because he initiated dialog.

KK

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow

Originally posted by: DJ Fuji
so if im reading you correctly, you're saying that if a cop pulled you over, came up and saw your DoD sticker, or whatever security insignia you have on your vehicle and said "hey i used to work at that office/base/dept! Where do you work?"

And you said "in the IT/Mgmt dept, sector 5," to which he replied,

"hey i did too! it's great to hear the dept is still doing ok. Well hey, i'm not going to give you a ticket, but slow down, ok?"

and you would say "no, no, i was speeding, going over the legal limit, i insist that you give me a ticket" ????

Is that what you're saying?

Yeah that's what he's saying.
Anyone who believes that, raise your hand.
<all hands stay down except his own, followed by another circular argument where he claims that would be violating the code of ethics>

I swear, you are so full of sh*t.....

You know damn well you have implied that you PURPOSELY play the military card. It is totally something different if the conversion comes up innocently and the cop was going to let you off anyways.

Of course that isn't what you do. You try your fvcking best to use your position to get you out of tickets......

My point is that I have no control over what other people do. If the cop wants to let me go then so be it BUT I will not play the government position card to get out of a ticket. That is exactly the game you try to play.

EDIT:

Straight from the horses mouth.

"Federal employees must not use their public office for their own or another's private gain. Employees are not to use their position or title associated with their office to induce a benefit for themselves or others."

Honestly, why do you care?

Maybe you're the most moral and ethical creature that ever graced ATOT..but you definitely aren't the most humble.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
Your company GIVES you those benefits. The government STRICTLY forbids using your position for personal gain.

Jeesh, give him a break! He's not even using it for personal gain, he's using it to avoid personal loss. What's the big deal? Like you've never gone a little over the speed limit? If you have, I think your punishment ought to be death by stoning for being a self-righteous bastard. TheGrandCow goes first.

I've gotten out of tickets because I worked at a convenience store and a subway restaurant... better throw me in jail!

Edit: If he was driving a military vehicle and was acting in the capacity of a marine, could he have been pulled over and given a ticket?

 

[Vonkhan]

i dont eat a pig cuz a pig is a cop

'nuf said

 

[gotsmack]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
If you are a government employee, you have just broken your code of ethics because you are using your government position for personal gain. This is why people have such a poor outlook towards government employees.

I can't say much for the military but I know that every federal employee would be breaking the code of ethics the moment they tried to use their position to get out of a ticket.

You can spin it anyway you want but it is still breaking the law. I guess most people don't have ethics anymore. Truly sad.

How can you say anything about his code of ethics? Ethics are different from person to person. If its not illegal, I have not signed any documents stating that I would not do XYZ, and I am not directly hurting someone then I'm going to do it. I've used my influence before and I'd do it again.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow

Originally posted by: DJ Fuji
so if im reading you correctly, you're saying that if a cop pulled you over, came up and saw your DoD sticker, or whatever security insignia you have on your vehicle and said "hey i used to work at that office/base/dept! Where do you work?"

And you said "in the IT/Mgmt dept, sector 5," to which he replied,

"hey i did too! it's great to hear the dept is still doing ok. Well hey, i'm not going to give you a ticket, but slow down, ok?"

and you would say "no, no, i was speeding, going over the legal limit, i insist that you give me a ticket" ????

Is that what you're saying?

Yeah that's what he's saying.
Anyone who believes that, raise your hand.
<all hands stay down except his own, followed by another circular argument where he claims that would be violating the code of ethics>

I swear, you are so full of sh*t.....

You know damn well you have implied that you PURPOSELY play the military card. It is totally something different if the conversion comes up innocently and the cop was going to let you off anyways.

Of course that isn't what you do. You try your fvcking best to use your position to get you out of tickets......

My point is that I have no control over what other people do. If the cop wants to let me go then so be it BUT I will not play the government position card to get out of a ticket. That is exactly the game you try to play.

EDIT:

Straight from the horses mouth.

"Federal employees must not use their public office for their own or another's private gain. Employees are not to use their position or title associated with their office to induce a benefit for themselves or others."

Honestly, why do you care?

Maybe you're the most moral and ethical creature that ever graced ATOT..but you definitely aren't the most humble.

How can you say anything about his code of ethics? Ethics are different from person to person. If its not illegal, I have not signed any documents stating that I would not do XYZ, and I am not directly hurting someone then I'm going to do it. I've used my influence before and I'd do it again.

If you are a federal employee you have signed paperwork agreeing to follow certain codes of ethics.....


Hehe, nah I am not the most ethical or the most moral. This topic has been dead for about 20 posts now. I have my opinion and you have yours. This isn't going to go anywhere......

 

[gotsmack]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
I don't have a problem with military personnel not being issued tickets. Honestly, for the $hit pay you guys make for what you do, there should be a godamned ticker tape parade every time you go to the supermarket.

So they should be above the law because they willingly picked the military??

My life is under constant terrorist threat. Everyday I go to work I could be killed. I don't expect to be above the law because of it. I picked my profession. I take the risks with the job. I guess that since I don't walk on the battlefield, I am not as important.

EDIT:

ThaGrandCow, if you are so sure you did nothing wrong why don't you let me know your name and base location and I will just inform my upper management. If you did nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about and you can come back to tell me what a jackass I am.

What exactly is it that you do?




EDIT: Just found out you work on a military base.

I used to work on a Military base too. They have armed guards that check for ID and also have bomb sniffing dogs (Until they got rid of them and increased the MPs).

I can't speak for your base, but Ft. Monmouth is one of the safest places I have ever been to. Safer than any courthouse or airport.

 

[IndieSnob]

Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow

Originally posted by: Walleye

Originally posted by: Atrail

Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow

Originally posted by: wviperw
Why would you get out of a ticket b/c you are in the military?

90% of the officers around here are either current marine reservists or former marines. I really shouldn't have to say more

public servant

honestly.... the amount of special treatment given to gov's people is disgusting...

Dude, as a marine I'm on call 24/7 if some major war breaks out. Does your job pay to to die if need be to protect others? That rates a little bit of leeway in certain situations.

1. You are not special just because you're Marine
2. You volunteered, nobody forced you to sign up. The danger comes with territory, you knew that before signing up.
3. Traffic laws do apply to you, see #1 for reasons why.

Have you ever gone into a store and asked for a friend who worked there, cause they could get you a discount? Have you ever had a person tell you about something that was coming up to give you advance notice to save you money or get you in on a good deal? Hell, have you ever visited the hot deals forum?

Human nature is to take advantage of all the advantages they have. This is one advantage that I have over others. I'm sure you know someone/work somewhere/know of a good website that gets you an advantage over me in a certain area. I don't berate you for it, don't berate me.

So getting discounts at a store because a friend works there is illegal and more immoral than getting out of a speeding ticket? Wow, you have some damn flawed logic there. Listen bub, just because you signed up for the military, doesn't mean you can go 16 mph over the limit, and get out of the ticket. Let's say you hit some child out in the street, would that be ok because you're in the military, and the kid just happened to be there? Get over yourself, just because you're in the marines doesn't make you any better than anyone else. Go cry to someone else.

 

[DJFuji]

He's ranting. Tell me you've never ranted about something. This IS ATOT, remember? And he never claimed to be better than anyone else. The military has its perks just like law enforcement has its perks. Go cry to a cop that you saw him speeding and his buddy next to him didnt pull him over to give him a ticket.

 

[Gulzakar]

meh

 

[AUMM]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
I don't have a problem with military personnel not being issued tickets. Honestly, for the $hit pay you guys make for what you do, there should be a godamned ticker tape parade every time you go to the supermarket.

Both of my parents are in the military, my Mother for 23 years, and my step father for 16, and I don't understand this argument - combined they make around 80k a year.

The sh!t for pay is usually only when you start out, or if you're a dumbass and can't make rank.

sorry, but for your parents working in the miliatery that long 80K a year combined?? that sounds like pretty crappy pay to me

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: AUMM

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber I don't have a problem with military personnel not being issued tickets. Honestly, for the $hit pay you guys make for what you do, there should be a godamned ticker tape parade every time you go to the supermarket.

Both of my parents are in the military, my Mother for 23 years, and my step father for 16, and I don't understand this argument - combined they make around 80k a year. The sh!t for pay is usually only when you start out, or if you're a dumbass and can't make rank.

sorry, but for your parents working in the miliatery that long 80K a year combined?? that sounds like pretty crappy pay to me

What's crappy about it? Pretty good for two people who grew up in poverty, joined with a high school education, then went to college for free and got degrees Of course, the 80k doens't include what they make for going on remotes to other countries/bases. My step father got paid 20k in tax-free money to go to Saudi Arabia last year for 4 months, so there is a lot that I'm not counting in that total. Not to mention they don't have to pay taxes for stuff they buy on base, and all of the discounts you can get everywhere by showing your military id

 

[OokiiNeko]

There is only ONE law, not one for one type of people and one for a different kind. I will be happy to compensate and respect our hard-working military people in any way possible, but they should never be above the law. That way lies corruption.

Incorrect. US military personnel operate under a different set of laws than others (others includes other federal employees).
Some of you are forgetting the judgement of the police officer. Doing ten over on the highway is a lot different than doing thirty or forty over. The police officer has enough judgement ability to determine if it is an offense that can be "let go".
And if he does "let it go" due to military affiliation, so effin' what. I need to find the story about the lawyer in California who had four DUIs, still had his license, and then killed somebody when he crashed into them drunk. Call "Upper Management" about that sh!t.

 

[alocurto]

It's just the way things work. It's along the lines of who you know, not what you know. People get jobs because of who they know even though other people may be more qualified for it. Service people help eachother out when they can. This was all referenced once in a Dilbert cartoon.

The thing is life is like that. It's a great thing. If you don't like it, tough. Life ain't fair. So quit your crying, get your ass out there, meet some people that can help you and become a person that can help other. SUCK IT UP!:|

 

[bcterps]

Life = unfair.

I don't really care who gets a ticket and who doesn't. However if you are military and do get a ticket, I hope you don't go complaining about it.

 

[astroview]

Well, my 2 cents on this is a corporate CEO gets perks, free flights, nice hotels... A congressman gets perks, EVERY job has some benefit even if it is unwritten. So if the military guys get perks, I don' t see a huge real world problem.

On the other hand, in theory Codewiz is right in that in an ideal world everyone should obey the law and the law should apply equally. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that and everyone isn't a boy scout.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: d33pt
You should've given him your military ID with your license...

yeap. give him both at the same time.