NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Zorba]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1450805828622110730

CDC meeting is 11/2. So hopefully that means shots in arms by 11/3.

 

[manly]

Don't recall exactly since I never saved it but there was a study outlining the risk of covid vs vaccine related heart issues and the heart issues was actually way higher.

Not the best since it comes from two different sources and not sure if the age groups are even the same but according to these articles, risk of vaccine related issue is 1 in 20,000 and risk of being hospitalized with covid is 1 in ~33,000 (3 in 100,000). Actually higher than I thought though...

11 things to know about COVID vaccines and kids’ hearts

Reports of heart inflammation in children and teens after receiving mRNA COVID vaccines have fueled further questions about vaccine safety. A pediatric cardiologist answers common questions about the risks of COVID vaccines versus COVID-19 infection.

healthblog.uofmhealth.org

I'm not a huge fan of forcing parents to vaccinate their young children (pre-teens); but you absolutely fucking suck at reading comprehension. I'll quote from YOUR linked article:

But there’s reassuring news: This heart inflammation known as myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID vaccination is very rare. Most cases have also been mild and short-lived, with patients recovering after a few days.

In fact, heart inflammation occurs at much higher rates from a COVID infection itself, studies find.

No idea why you're comparing incidence rates of usually mild vaccine-related myocarditis to COVID hospitalization. That would be like comparing a kid falling off his skateboard to a kid being hit by a car in the intersection.

 

[sdifox]

Where are you getting the data that says the risk of vaccination bad-effects is greater than that of COVID complications, for children?

I'm not saying for certain that you are wrong, but I just haven't seen any figures that demonstrate that to definitively be the case.

I am guessing FB, where red get most of his info from.

 

[K1052]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1450929888949592069

 

[Tweak155]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1450929888949592069

Looks like whatever this was has been deleted.

 

[Brainonska511]

Looks like whatever this was has been deleted.

Announcement for the authorization of boosters for Moderna and J&J recipients.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Takes Additional Actions on the Use of a Booster Dose for COVID-19 Vaccines

The FDA took additional actions regarding booster doses of COVID-19 vaccines, including authorizing heterologous booster doses in eligible individuals.

www.fda.gov

 

[Muse]

Announcement for the authorization of boosters for Moderna and J&J recipients.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Takes Additional Actions on the Use of a Booster Dose for COVID-19 Vaccines

The FDA took additional actions regarding booster doses of COVID-19 vaccines, including authorizing heterologous booster doses in eligible individuals.

www.fda.gov

So, I catch wind of this yesterday on the front page of the NYTimes (online), I see it on TV news. I'm 2x Moderna vaxxed, eligible, I call my HMO (Kaiser P.), am on hold ~20 minutes, I get a reasonably intelligent woman on the line and she'd not heard of the Moderna approval. She puts me on hold to check, she comes back and can't find anything at Kaiser to confirm what I said (I saw on the website old info about Moderna not approved yet before I called). She's in a position to schedule an appt for me but won't because they don't officially recognize my entitlement. She says to check later. She says she can email my doctor and ask and see if he can schedule me (I'd already emailed him but said, yeah, please email him and she did). I figure the earlier I press for the booster the better because thousands of others will too and I want to get in line early. It's no big deal but figure the sooner the better.

 

[Muse]

So, I'm wondering this: The Moderna booster is just, what? The original formulation, but 1/2 a dose. I figure the only change will be that the person who administers the shot will be instructed to load the syringe with 1/2 of what they did previously? So they should be able to start giving Moderna boosters without missing a stride, no delay at all. Right?

My PCP answers me:

Guidelines and protocol is being established now.
It's not instantaneous.
Currently, the pfizer patients are getting a booster now.

 

[allisolm]

So, I catch wind of this yesterday on the front page of the NYTimes (online), I see it on TV news. I'm 2x Moderna vaxxed, eligible, I call my HMO (Kaiser P.), am on hold ~20 minutes, I get a reasonably intelligent woman on the line and she'd not heard of the Moderna approval. She puts me on hold to check, she comes back and can't find anything at Kaiser to confirm what I said (I saw on the website old info about Moderna not approved yet before I called). She's in a position to schedule an appt for me but won't because they don't officially recognize my entitlement. She says to check later. She says she can email my doctor and ask and see if he can schedule me (I'd already emailed him but said, yeah, please email him and she did). I figure the earlier I press for the booster the better because thousands of others will too and I want to get in line early. It's no big deal but figure the sooner the better.

It's not enough that the FDA has approved the Moderna and J&J boosters. The CDC has to approve them as well. They are meeting today and should have an announcement this afternoon. If they approve the boosters they should also say who can get them - ages, physical conditions, time since last shot and any other conditions. After that people should be able to schedule a booster.

 

[Muse]

It's not enough that the FDA has approved the Moderna and J&J boosters. The CDC has to approve them as well. They are meeting today and should have an announcement this afternoon. If they approve the boosters they should also say who can get them - ages, physical conditions, time since last shot and any other conditions. After that people should be able to schedule a booster.

I thought the CDC had approved yesterday. I was either mistaken or misinformed.

 

[allisolm]

I thought the CDC had approved yesterday. I was either mistaken or misinformed.

I'm trying to keep informed on this. They met yesterday and are meeting today as well. As of an hour ago:

"CDC vaccine advisers are meeting to discuss boosters
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices is scheduled to meet from 10 a.m. ET to 5 p.m. ET today.

A vote is scheduled for later this afternoon.

ACIP is expected to vote on whether to recommend use of the boosters. If the committee recommends them, the CDC director must give a stamp of approval for boosters doses to be officially administered."

Coronavirus update: Latest Covid-19 vaccine boosters

CDC vaccine advisers will meet today to discuss booster doses of Moderna and Johnson & Johnson vaccines, as well as mixing and matching of boosters. Follow here for the latest.

www.cnn.com

 

[pmv]

As someone that lost a parent to a virus when I was kid, calculations that look solely at individual physical, short term outcomes are only looking at a very small part of the puzzle. If I could've taken a vaccine with a 1 in 1,000,000 case of giving me some symptoms for a month or two and a 1 in 10,000,000 chance of death I would've taken in a heart beat to keep him from dying.

Not to mention, the benefits of keeping schools open, getting rid of quarantines, masking, etc etc

Through this experience, though, I have learned that some medical "ethics" people would rather kill a million passively than risk killing one actively.

Decided that "like" wasn't quite the appropriate reaction. Sad to hear that, and I see your point.

At one point here I saw it suggested that children be allowed to make their own choice whether to be vaccinated or not, but I can see some huge pitfalls with that idea. Doesn't seem right to put that level of responsibility on children.

 

[Captante]

Decided that "like" wasn't quite the appropriate reaction. Sad to hear that, and I see your point.

At one point here I saw it suggested that children be allowed to make their own choice whether to be vaccinated or not, but I can see some huge pitfalls with that idea. Doesn't seem right to put that level of responsibility on children.

Wow really? Who was the genius responsible for that sage advice?

 

[allisolm]

CDC voted and they are good to go for boosters for both Moderna and J&J. Now, apparently, we have to wait for CDC Director to sign off. Sigh. It's always 'hurry up and wait.'

"After the advisers vote, CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky will need to sign off. If she does, people could start getting Moderna and J&J boosters within days."

"The CDC will also issue detailed clinical guidance spelling out what people should consider in seeking out and getting booster shots. This will include whether people may mix and match vaccines."

Coronavirus update: Latest Covid-19 vaccine boosters

CDC vaccine advisers will meet today to discuss booster doses of Moderna and Johnson & Johnson vaccines, as well as mixing and matching of boosters. Follow here for the latest.

www.cnn.com

 

[balloonshark]

I got 2 Pfizer shots in April. My booster was due last week. I wonder if it would be better to get a Moderna booster since they work a tad better/longer?

In other news my 8 month pregnant niece has covid, my other niece has flu-b and my sister has a cold and they were all around each other. All of them unvaxxed. I have not visited them since this peak started so it looks like I made a wise choice.

 

[JujuFish]

I got 2 Pfizer shots in April. My booster was due last week. I wonder if it would be better to get a Moderna booster since they work a tad better/longer?

In other news my 8 month pregnant niece has covid, my other niece has flu-b and my sister has a cold and they were all around each other. All of them unvaxxed. I have not visited them since this peak started so it looks like I made a wise choice.

Due? Are you elderly or at risk? Because otherwise it's not "due".

 

[Muse]

Due? Are you elderly or at risk? Because otherwise it's not "due".

If he's 6 months past his 2nd shot, IIRC qualifies for a booster if over 18.

 

[JujuFish]

If he's 6 months past his 2nd shot, IIRC qualifies for a booster if over 18.

These are the FDA-authorized categories:
65 years of age and older
18 through 64 years of age at high risk of severe COVID-19
18 through 64 years of age with frequent institutional or occupational exposure to SARS-CoV-2

 

[dullard]

I got 2 Pfizer shots in April. My booster was due last week. I wonder if it would be better to get a Moderna booster since they work a tad better/longer?

There is no data (yet) to show a significant difference between Moderna and Pfizer for your booster. The studies so far that mixed vaccines were too small to distinguish that. What they did show was that any booster you get will bring your antibodies up significantly.

 

[balloonshark]

Due? Are you elderly or at risk? Because otherwise it's not "due".

I'm 50 and have been in and out of hospitals for tests to determine if my 35 year old artificial heart valve needs replaced. Supposedly they've been monitoring my moderate to severe stenosis and it was considered severe during my Aug. 6th echo. Since then I've had a CT scan, diaphragm fluoroscopy sniff test and hearth cath and they looked good. I met with a surgeon and he ordered another CT scan at WVU (next week) and a transesophageal echocardiogram because he thought there may be pannus beneath the valve. If it exists and it's bad it will need cleaned up and a new valve installed.

 

[K1052]

Pharmacies nationwide are offering booster appointments for all vaccines based on the updated CDC guidelines. My 98 year old grandfather just got his Moderna booster at a Walmart.

I'll get mine in the next couple days.

 

[Captante]

These are the FDA-authorized categories:
65 years of age and older
18 through 64 years of age at high risk of severe COVID-19
18 through 64 years of age with frequent institutional or occupational exposure to SARS-CoV-2

Sadly I'm now "qualified" for a booster (getting old sucks) however I would have gotten one anyway at some point regardless.

As for which one to get I think the two mRNA shots are close enough to identical that it really doesn't matter much.

However my MD would prefer I got Moderna again and since I trust his opinion that is what I'll almost certainly do. (his reasoning was that I know for near-certain I won't have a reaction that way)

 

[PingSpike]

My state basically said they're going to look the other way on the authorized categories. I'm just going to tell them I'm fat, which I am. But basically anyone could make up a yarn about institutional or occupational exposure. Not sure if I can schedule it yet though since I'm not quite 6 months out.

 

[manly]

Sadly I'm now "qualified" for a booster (getting old sucks) however I would have gotten one anyway at some point regardless.

As for which one to get I think the two mRNA shots are close enough to identical that it really doesn't matter much.

However my MD would prefer I got Moderna again and since I trust his opinion that is what I'll almost certainly do. (his reasoning was that I know for near-certain I won't have a reaction that way)

It's tricky to say definitively that one is better than the other, but neutralizing antibodies from the Moderna vaccine seem to be more durable than Pfizer's. I see little reason for you to switch now.

 

[allisolm]

Pharmacies nationwide are offering booster appointments for all vaccines based on the updated CDC guidelines. My 98 year old grandfather just got his Moderna booster at a Walmart.

I'll get mine in the next couple days.

Thanks for posting that. I was waiting for the Director of CDC's sign off and apparently she snuck it by me. Husband and I just got back from doing a walk-in at Walmart for our Moderna booster. Wanted to beat any rush and it gives us the weekend to recuperate. All we had the first 2 times was a sore arm (sorer with the 2nd than with the first) so hopefully this won't be any worse. It gives us more peace of mind in any case.

edit: rolled onto that arm early this morning and my body said "I don't think so!" Arm is very sore but only to the touch. No soreness or limited motion in use. No fever. Nothing else that I can see or feel. Same with husband. I'll be happy with that.