NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[K1052]

I think that it's pretty safe to assume that requiring a COVID-19 booster shot was part of the original plan all along.

Take a look at your CDC Covid-19 vaccination card, and notice that it has 4 lines for tracking shots... not two. Now THINK about why they were printed that way starting almost a year ago.

A little too conspiratorial for my taste. Some vaccines are good for decades, some you have to get boosted every so often, and for something like the flu it's annual.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1427456495017504768

Christ, shoulda invested more in Pfizer / Maderna.....

So the real question is - do we need boosters because the effect wears off in a short time period - or because 2 wasn't enough to begin with?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I think that it's pretty safe to assume that requiring a COVID-19 booster shot was part of the original plan all along.

Take a look at your CDC Covid-19 vaccination card, and notice that it has 4 lines for tracking shots... not two. Now THINK about why they were printed that way starting almost a year ago.

I just assumed there would be booster shots. I assumed they would be more or less yearly.
I had the same thought regarding the vaccination card however if I were in charge of making vaccination cards I would have done the same. May as well use the room you have.

 

[uclaLabrat]

Christ, shoulda invested more in Pfizer / Maderna.....

So the real question is - do we need boosters because the effect wears off in a short time period - or because 2 wasn't enough to begin with?

Based on no knowledge whatsoever, I'm guessing the former: the delta variant is sufficiently virulent that you need to maintain higher background antibody levels to mitigate the risk of breakthrough infections (due to the quicker onset of high viral load in the upper respiratory tract). Likely that for the original wild type, either lower background antibody levels were sufficient or the virus didn't replicate faster than the rest of the immune system could tolerate.

Complete speculation on my part.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Christ, shoulda invested more in Pfizer / Maderna.....

So the real question is - do we need boosters because the effect wears off in a short time period - or because 2 wasn't enough to begin with?

Purely a suspicion from reading. Delta changed the game, booster even if it doesn't target delta appears to help.
Very possible later on it could be shown only old people or unhealthy people need them so don't get pissed if that happens.
They are working with what we know now.

 

[K1052]

Based on no knowledge whatsoever, I'm guessing the former: the delta variant is sufficiently virulent that you need to maintain higher background antibody levels to mitigate the risk of breakthrough infections (due to the quicker onset of high viral load in the upper respiratory tract). Likely that for the original wild type, either lower background antibody levels were sufficient or the virus didn't replicate faster than the rest of the immune system could tolerate.

Complete speculation on my part.

Seems to be what everything points at plus some degree of immune evasion, though clearly not enough to overcome protection against severe disease.

 

[Torn Mind]

I think that it's pretty safe to assume that requiring a COVID-19 booster shot was part of the original plan all along.

Take a look at your CDC Covid-19 vaccination card, and notice that it has 4 lines for tracking shots... not two. Now THINK about why they were printed that way starting almost a year ago.

At the very least, they had knowledge of the nature of the virus and that the particular nature of the virus would lend itself to that. Then the news and media, in deference to preserving the might of government of Wall Street and itself over safety, brought in a news cycle that sowed the seeds of optimism amongst most of the population, taking on various forms.

They probably had the Brinks truck ready imo. Now they don't need to hype up the flu every year with inflated estimates when COVID is an actual threat to the state and business.

 

[Roger Wilco]

New Zealand is back on lockdown after a few positive cases. They are only 17% fully vaccinated apparently.

 

[K1052]

Looks like everybody basically 8 months past 2nd dose.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1428002968230633480

 

[Torn Mind]

 

[Artorias]

How does everyone feel about booster shots?

I am honestly hesitant at the idea of booster shots, it just doesn't feel right. Will these be made mandatory as part of future vaccine passports?

Shouldn't we also be reaching herd immunity already? We're getting onto two years.

 

[K1052]

How does everyone feel about booster shots?

Fine. It's safe.

I am honestly hesitant at the idea of booster shots, it just doesn't feel right. Will these be made mandatory as part of future vaccine passports?

Hopefully.

Shouldn't we also be reaching herd immunity already? We're getting onto two years.

Nope.

 

[jpiniero]

Shouldn't we also be reaching herd immunity already? We're getting onto two years.

IMO you almost need to think of Delta as a new virus. That's why no herd immunity and why the vaccines effectiveness is waning.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

How does everyone feel about booster shots?

I am honestly hesitant at the idea of booster shots, it just doesn't feel right. Will these be made mandatory as part of future vaccine passports?

Shouldn't we also be reaching herd immunity already? We're getting onto two years.

Seems safe
As I have said I assumed there would be boosters. This isn't that unusual.
Vaccines are safe
Herd immunity has no chance until at minimum we are 2/3rds fully vaccinated. Probably more due to variants.
No federal plans for a vaccine passport in the US. I am not aware of any state plans either.
To go into a big office it will likely be required

 

[Torn Mind]

How does everyone feel about booster shots?

I am honestly hesitant at the idea of booster shots, it just doesn't feel right. Will these be made mandatory as part of future vaccine passports?

Shouldn't we also be reaching herd immunity already? We're getting onto two years.

Kids under 12 are not immunized yet. So even in highly vaccinated areas like Montgomery County, Md, it’s not reached it.

Antibodies wane naturally over time. I just took an antibody test last week and had undetectable levels; I tested positive on Feb 13. I either had no immunity or T-cell memory from a possible original COVID infection in Nov. 2019.

 

[Spacehead]

Take a look at your CDC Covid-19 vaccination card, and notice that it has 4 lines for tracking shots... not two. Now THINK about why they were printed that way starting almost a year ago.

And the sticker they used for my 1st dose covered half the card. "We're going to need a bigger card!"

 

[nakedfrog]

And the sticker they used for my 1st dose covered half the card. "We're going to need a bigger card!"

Same here, two doses, two stickers, no room for more on the front of my card, but looks like there's space on the back for a couple more.

 

[allisolm]

I was glad to hear on the news tonight that you will not have to go back to your original vaccination place to get the booster. I'd love to be able to drop in to the pharmacy 1/2 mi down the road or the one at Walmart instead of doing it by appointment at the doctor's office. I'll be waiting for Oct 6. We'll see if it's all sorted out by then.

 

[nakedfrog]

I can't imagine why you'd have to go back to the original location you got one. I've moved, so it'd be a 3 hour drive now.

 

[allisolm]

I can't imagine why you'd have to go back to the original location you got one. I've moved, so it'd be a 3 hour drive now.

Well, I had to go to the original office to get the second shot.

 

[Captante]

Well, I had to go to the original office to get the second shot.

Got both of mine at a CVS about 15 minutes from my home in April (and far as I know it was required at that point) so going there again would be no big deal, BUT the CVS a HALF MILE from me will be just a smidge easier!

 

[Zorba]

How does everyone feel about booster shots?

I am honestly hesitant at the idea of booster shots, it just doesn't feel right. Will these be made mandatory as part of future vaccine passports?

Shouldn't we also be reaching herd immunity already? We're getting onto two years.

Natural infection wanes quicker than the vaccine. My understanding is the vaccine will have more staying power once it's matched to delta, hopefully in a few months.

 

[Zorba]

Well, I had to go to the original office to get the second shot.

Here there were some places that would only give a second shot to people they have the first, but all the state/county places didn't care where you got #1.

 

[pmv]

Shouldn't we also be reaching herd immunity already? We're getting onto two years.

Seems as if the Delta variant has put paid to that hope.

Jabbed adults infected with Delta ‘can match virus levels of unvaccinated’

Researchers say implications for transmission remain unclear but reaching herd immunity even more challenging

www.theguardian.com

Delta variant renders herd immunity from Covid ‘mythical’

Head of Oxford Vaccine Group rules out overall immunity, but also questions need for booster jabs

www.theguardian.com

 

[Artorias]

Seems as if the Delta variant has put paid to that hope.

Jabbed adults infected with Delta ‘can match virus levels of unvaccinated’

Researchers say implications for transmission remain unclear but reaching herd immunity even more challenging

www.theguardian.com

Delta variant renders herd immunity from Covid ‘mythical’

Head of Oxford Vaccine Group rules out overall immunity, but also questions need for booster jabs

www.theguardian.com

This is going to be an endless cycle isn't it.