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NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

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I am glad I live near Boston and I will line up for a booster shot just as soon as one is available. I was in the first wave of Pfizer vaccinations and worry about protection wearing off. OTOH, so glad so many here are vaccinated🙂
 
pmv said:
I wonder if that is a complete 'break' between infection rates and hospitalization rates or if it's just an increasing time-lag?
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Given the experience so far in Israel and the UK I doubt it is just a pronounced lag. Vaccines are keeping people out of the hospitals and out of the grave. I expect the US experience to be similar but we're going to see a ton of non-vaccinated people in trouble.

And won't a high infection rate, in a population like the UK's that is about half fully-vaccinated and half not, create a pressure for the virus to evolve to evade the vaccine-protection?
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This is a possibility but Delta did seemingly evolve in a place without a lot of immunity as well. We'll have to watch and see.
 
allisolm said:
Sadly, 17% of the U S new cases are in Florida. In our county, the number of cases is up 130% this past week over the week before (161 vs 70). The good news is that our hospitalizations and deaths have not been rising so I guess the cases are not as severe. According to the newspaper many of the new cases here are outbreaks of children at summer camps.
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Hospitalization generally lags 2 weeks, and deaths by 4 weeks. Every surge people have claimed it's different because hospitalization and deaths didn't immediately surge with cases.
 
Red Squirrel said:
Pretty crazy, but honestly I think that's the safest way to go. I figured they were going to just have reduced capacity but that's still a risk. Huge hit on revenu. Does the hosting country also get a cut normally? I almost feel Tokyo should get to rehost again at some point sooner rather than later just to make up for the bad circumstances. But I imagine they typically have countries lined up well ahead of time.

This got me thinking, some kind of virtual spectator camera setup would be pretty cool. You have a bunch of high end PTZ cameras throughout and you can buy a ticket to essentially get to control it for the entire event. I could see families and friends wanting to all pitch in to gather around something like that, would be an interesting experience, maybe not as cool as being there though.
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The soonest they could get it back would be 2032. I'd be fine with that.

I think they should just pick four cities and rotate through them. It's stupid to build up a huge infrastructure for a two week event. IIRC, LA's bid included very little new construction.
 
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Zorba said:
It's stupid to build up a huge infrastructure for a two week event. IIRC, LA's bid included very little new construction.
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That's kind of the point. Spend a bunch of government money on useless infrastructure. Popular support for doing that is kind of getting weak now however.
 
jpiniero said:
That's kind of the point. Spend a bunch of government money on useless infrastructure. Popular support for doing that is kind of getting weak now however.
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As it should.

There are plenty of cities that already have all the infrastructure needed, like LA or NYC. I don't know how realistic this was, but Tulsa put in a bid claiming we already had everything we needed in the state except the track and field stadium. The big negative was it'd be spread out all over the state.
 
In other news, buffets are starting to re-open:

haysfreepress.com

Buffets are back! - Hays Free Press

“Buffets Are Back – With New Policies and Gloves,” blared the headline recent on the front page of the Wall Street Journal. That was welcome news for my pandemic-weary family. I was afraid such wide-open dining would go the way of the dinosaur. (“Look out! The asteroid is headed for the...
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https://imgur.com/a/REg15rz
 
What are the numbers looking like for unvaccinated kids/teens and severity of illness? Curious because my daughter will be 12 in Oct. and we took her to get her sports physical and her dr. said it's a tough decision for parents but as a mom she would wait until there's more info or when the fda officially approves it. Previously I was all for it, but now I'm a little concerned about any potential long-term issues. I know my wife was wavering before the physical, and after she's even more concerned.
 
thestrangebrew1 said:
What are the numbers looking like for unvaccinated kids/teens and severity of illness? Curious because my daughter will be 12 in Oct. and we took her to get her sports physical and her dr. said it's a tough decision for parents but as a mom she would wait until there's more info or when the fda officially approves it. Previously I was all for it, but now I'm a little concerned about any potential long-term issues. I know my wife was wavering before the physical, and after she's even more concerned.
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There's a bit on that at the end of this article:

www.post-gazette.com

Questions about unvaccinated kids and COVID-19? A pediatric infectious disease doctor has answers.

It’s a common public health refrain these days: Get vaccinated. But no vaccine for protection against COVID-19 is currently approved for children...
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thestrangebrew1 said:
What are the numbers looking like for unvaccinated kids/teens and severity of illness? Curious because my daughter will be 12 in Oct. and we took her to get her sports physical and her dr. said it's a tough decision for parents but as a mom she would wait until there's more info or when the fda officially approves it. Previously I was all for it, but now I'm a little concerned about any potential long-term issues. I know my wife was wavering before the physical, and after she's even more concerned.
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Mortality is low at least in UK studies, about 25 child deaths. Though likely if vaccination had been available all of those could have been prevented. For the mRNA vaccines the worst being seen is rare occurrence of some temporary myocarditis mostly in young males that first cropped up in Israeli data.
 
Geekbabe said:
I am glad I live near Boston and I will line up for a booster shot just as soon as one is available. I was in the first wave of Pfizer vaccinations and worry about protection wearing off. OTOH, so glad so many here are vaccinated🙂
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I'd REALLY like to see some actual studies and research done on this type of stuff before committing to lining the pockets of big pharma more than necessary.

Sounds like they are looking for 6 months boosters practically?

Hopefully people don't forget the overall point of vaccines isn't to prevent disease - it's to prevent the extremities.
 
thestrangebrew1 said:
What are the numbers looking like for unvaccinated kids/teens and severity of illness? Curious because my daughter will be 12 in Oct. and we took her to get her sports physical and her dr. said it's a tough decision for parents but as a mom she would wait until there's more info or when the fda officially approves it. Previously I was all for it, but now I'm a little concerned about any potential long-term issues. I know my wife was wavering before the physical, and after she's even more concerned.
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I suspect any problems are due to using the adult dosage. Should have cut it for 12-15. IIRC the <12 trial is using a lower dosage.
 
thestrangebrew1 said:
What are the numbers looking like for unvaccinated kids/teens and severity of illness? Curious because my daughter will be 12 in Oct. and we took her to get her sports physical and her dr. said it's a tough decision for parents but as a mom she would wait until there's more info or when the fda officially approves it. Previously I was all for it, but now I'm a little concerned about any potential long-term issues. I know my wife was wavering before the physical, and after she's even more concerned.
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I'd find a new doctor. More teens have gotten the shot than COVID and there have been very few significant reactions, while hundreds have died of COVID and many thousands have life altering long covid.

I really don't understand why people will put completely unregulated, unstudied stuff in their bodies (vitimans, supplements, 'all natural' crap), but then freak out over vaccines. Most of which would take a pill from their doctor without question.
 
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Kaido said:
In other news, buffets are starting to re-open:

haysfreepress.com

Buffets are back! - Hays Free Press

“Buffets Are Back – With New Policies and Gloves,” blared the headline recent on the front page of the Wall Street Journal. That was welcome news for my pandemic-weary family. I was afraid such wide-open dining would go the way of the dinosaur. (“Look out! The asteroid is headed for the...
haysfreepress.com haysfreepress.com

https://imgur.com/a/REg15rz
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"Wow" emoji will have to do...was looking for "eeew!".

I notice the Cruise Ship industry is desperately trying to drum up custom again. Can't imagine there's a mad rush for cruise holidays now.
 
We're pulling our son from part-time daycare. I'm a bit gutted because June was an absolutely amazing month. And not just because we finally had some childcare so for the time since the pandemic we could fully function with work, errands, childcare and downtime, but because my son really took to liking daycare and was getting so much out of it.

Delta is here (in CA) thanks to the anti-vaxxers. **** every single one of them. I really hope insurance companies start denying coverage to those eligible but choosing not to be vaccinated.
 
Zorba said:
As it should.

There are plenty of cities that already have all the infrastructure needed, like LA or NYC. I don't know how realistic this was, but Tulsa put in a bid claiming we already had everything we needed in the state except the track and field stadium. The big negative was it'd be spread out all over the state.
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It would also be in Oklahoma, which, let's face it, isn't exactly an international draw. Could probably get more people to see the musical Oklahoma.
 
MrSquished said:
It would also be in Oklahoma, which, let's face it, isn't exactly an international draw. Could probably get more people to see the musical Oklahoma.
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Well yeah. My bigger point is, it could be bid to use existing infrastructure, but at least until recently that isn't what the IOC wanted.
 
Zorba said:
Well yeah. My bigger point is, it could be bid to use existing infrastructure, but at least until recently that isn't what the IOC wanted.
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Totally. Too many countries have now seen how much money it takes to build all the shit that often times just falls into ruin.
 
MrSquished said:
Totally. Too many countries have now seen how much money it takes to build all the shit that often times just falls into ruin.
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If they want to keep the Olympics going, they should basically have 2-3 rotating cities for summer games, and another 2-3 rotating cities for winter games. Build up permanent capacity, instead of this extremely grifty, corrupt process where places fall over each other for the right to be burdened with decaying stadiums.
 
Yeah having permanent facilities makes way more sense imo. It's insane the amount of money, work, and energy that goes into building these facilities for what is basically a 2 week event. Years of planing and construction for what is done in a flash. Then it's left to crumble.

I suppose there is a certain prestige to being a hosting country but if they want to keep that aspect, maybe they can still have different countries host, at least on paper, but it would still be at one of the predefined facilities. They could still call it "The Tokyo Olimpics" for example even if it's not actually physically there.
 
The IOC is recommending the vaccination of athletes if they are available, but vaccines will not be required, and the IOC is recommending against athletes "jumping the queue" in order to obtain priority over essential populations.

Approximately 93,000 athletes and officials are exempt from the quarantine rules upon arriving to Japan, provided that they remain in areas separated from the local population. With around 300,000 local staff and volunteers entering and exiting these bubbles, and 20,000 vaccines doses allocated for this group, it has led to concerns of COVID-19 spreading both during the games and when teams return to their countries.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Olympiad#Impact_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic

Well that's unfortunate.
 
Red Squirrel said:
Yeah having permanent facilities makes way more sense imo. It's insane the amount of money, work, and energy that goes into building these facilities for what is basically a 2 week event. Years of planing and construction for what is done in a flash. Then it's left to crumble.

I suppose there is a certain prestige to being a hosting country but if they want to keep that aspect, maybe they can still have different countries host, at least on paper, but it would still be at one of the predefined facilities. They could still call it "The Tokyo Olimpics" for example even if it's not actually physically there.
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I was thinking the same. Sort of what the NCAA does. All of the stadiums in the NCAA tournament are "hosted" by a nearby NCAA school. Let other countries compete for the opening/closing ceremonies and little fluff pieces, but only have a few sets of the infrastructure.
 
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