NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[CZroe]

Now flip the word Biden for Trump.

???

That doesn't make any sense. Trump didn't call anyone a lying dog-faced pony soldier at his rallies. Biden did.

Not that Trump hasn't said much worse... he has... but it seems you missed the point he was making there about how Biden speaks.

 

[mopardude87]

Between possible future looters and a nutball roomie causing me issues who likes to use his bat as a weapon when he gets his fits, it may just be time to settle for something a bit new and improved JUST in case.

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I love the show and just maybe this nuttball will back off when he sees that? Also about 8'' inch bigger then his as well.

 

[Mai72]

There is no way that this is going to end in a few weeks. Easter has already been canceled. My guess is the virus will "lessen" sometime in the summer. I live at the Jersey shore and so many of us are worried .Livelihoods are at stake. But, we can't have Memorial Day with tens of thousands of people here if the virus is still looming. Same with 4th of July .How can you have packed beaches, bars, and a boardwalk when people are still getting sick.

This is crazy stuff.

 

[brianmanahan]

There is no way that this is going to end in a few weeks. Easter has already been canceled. My guess is the virus will "lessen" sometime in the summer. I live at the Jersey shore and so many of us are worried .Livelihoods are at stake. But, we can't have Memorial Day with tens of thousands of people here if the virus is still looming. Same with 4th of July .How can you have packed beaches, bars, and a boardwalk when people are still getting sick.

This is crazy stuff.

by staying at home, the curve has been flattened at the peak has been moved out weeks or months into the future.

ohio should peak in about 2 months now instead of 2 weeks had we done nothing.

 

[IronWing]

There is no way that this is going to end in a few weeks. Easter has already been canceled. My guess is the virus will "lessen" sometime in the summer. I live at the Jersey shore and so many of us are worried .Livelihoods are at stake. But, we can't have Memorial Day with tens of thousands of people here if the virus is still looming. Same with 4th of July .How can you have packed beaches, bars, and a boardwalk when people are still getting sick.

This is crazy stuff.

Dare County, NC, the heart of the Outer Banks, is closed to visitor entry. Even part-year residents are being denied entry. The original goal was to get through the pandemic in the spring to save prime season. Now the goal is to survive.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

by staying at home, the curve has been flattened at the peak has been moved out weeks or months into the future.

ohio should peak in about 2 months now instead of 2 weeks had we done nothing.

If we really have to stay quarantined for as long as you're suggesting (2 months to peak, then presumably another 2 months) then I would honestly venture to say that it isn't worth the economic collapse that will occur over the course of 4 months.

People can't even survive 2 weeks without pay and you're asking for 16 lol.

One can argue that so many people will be homeless, suicidal, and jobless at the end of that more death will result from an economic perspective than the actual virus.

 

[Mai72]

by staying at home, the curve has been flattened at the peak has been moved out weeks or months into the future.

ohio should peak in about 2 months now instead of 2 weeks had we done nothing.

We really don't know that because many people still haven't been tested. You still can't get tested in my area because they won't accept you unless you're showing 2/3 COVID-19 symptoms and they have to be severe. So, how many people are still walking around asymptomatic or with a mild symptoms? I know in NYC Cumo is saying that they won't reach their peak until about 3 weeks from today. I get it. We aren't swamping our health care system with the infected YET. The other concern is the longer this draws out, the more pressure it puts on our doctors and nurses. Many are working double shifts now. What if they start to get sicker as time goes on. The pressure mounts. Less doctors, less nurses. In my area with have a total of 8 sick. I think we have hundreds sick. We just don't know because as I had stated earlier they aren't getting tested.

Just a thought.

 

[Dari]

One interesting thing to see here is socialized medicine in action. We all know the Chinese are lying and they have socialized medicine. Italy has socialized medicine and their medical professionals are left with deciding who lives and dies with their antiquated equipment. Same with Spain and France. England, with their 'respected' NHS, have over 1000 dead. With the obvious exception of China, all these countries populations are dwarfed by the US yet our death rate is extremely low. Take out the liberal hotbeds of NYC, Washington and California and you won't have a crisis at all in this country. Just something to think about when deciding who to vote for this November. Democrats have swung so far to the left that they want to deepen and widen Obamacare, making it more European. Well, Europe's socialized medicine has essentially collapsed in the face of this pandemic. The world is counting on American medical scientists to fix this mess Communist China handed us and it is only here that encourages investment in medicine. Democrats are intent on destroying those incentives.

Just to add insult to injury, the Chinese are now in Italy to 'help' them there and the deaths keep skyrocketing. Two socialized medicine is worse than one. And all this after the EU abandoned Italy. Everyone is on their own in Europe and the culprits are trying to score political points.

 

[Mai72]

Dare County, NC, the heart of the Outer Banks, is closed to visitor entry. Even part-year residents are being denied entry. The original goal was to get through the pandemic in the spring to save prime season. Now the goal is to survive.

We haven't denied visitor entry into Wildwood. We are still noticing NY and PA tags. Many people have summer homes here. The issue is we only have a total of 12 ventilators. That's it. If we see many more sick ansd they need ICU care we are in deep trouble. Prime season is so important for our area. And, many people rely on it so they can go on unemployment in the winter months. The winter months in my area are very harsh with few opportunities for minimal wage jobs. Let alone good paying jobs.

 

[Mai72]

One interesting thing to see here is socialized medicine in action. We all know the Chinese are lying and they have socialized medicine. Italy has socialized medicine and their medical professionals are left with deciding who lives and dies with their antiquated equipment. Same with Spain. England, with their 'respected' NHS, have over 1000 dead. With the obvious exception of China, all these countries populations are dwarfed by the US yet our death rate is extremely low. Take out the liberal hotbeds of NYC, Washington and California and you won't have a crisis at all in this country. Just something to think about when deciding who to vote for this November. Democrats have swung so far to the left that they want to deepen and widen Obamacare, making it more European. Well, Europe's socialized medicine has essentially collapsed in the face of this pandemic. The world is counting on American medical scientists to fix this mess and it is only here that encourages investment in medicine. Democrats are intent on destroying those incentives.

Yes, but what you're saying might be a bit premature. What's happening to NYC could easily happen in other parts of America. You also fogot to include Louisiana which is currently getting hammered. Also, it's just natural to think that the heavily populated areas are going to get hammered first. NYC, LA are both heavily populated. Rural areas are less dense, so it would make sense that the virus would be less prevalent there. I live in South Jersey. We are getting hammered as well, but most of the cases are from North Jersey. It's more populated so it just makes sense. But, it doesn't mean that we couldn't get hammered with COVID-19 as well. It's a waiting game. We will find that answer in a few weeks. Finally, what about the people who don't have healthcare? How are they going to cope when they get a $5k hospital bill? IMO, this virus will show how just badly our heath care is in this country and it needs to be changed.

Just a thought.

 

[feralkid]

One interesting thing to see here is socialized medicine in action. We all know the Chinese are lying and they have socialized medicine. Italy has socialized medicine and their medical professionals are left with deciding who lives and dies with their antiquated equipment. Same with Spain and France. England, with their 'respected' NHS, have over 1000 dead. With the obvious exception of China, all these countries populations are dwarfed by the US yet our death rate is extremely low. Take out the liberal hotbeds of NYC, Washington and California and you won't have a crisis at all in this country. Just something to think about when deciding who to vote for this November. Democrats have swung so far to the left that they want to deepen and widen Obamacare, making it more European. Well, Europe's socialized medicine has essentially collapsed in the face of this pandemic. The world is counting on American medical scientists to fix this mess Communist China handed us and it is only here that encourages investment in medicine. Democrats are intent on destroying those incentives.

Just to add insult to injury, the Chinese are now in Italy to 'help' them there and the deaths keep skyrocketing. Two socialized medicine is worse than one. And all this after the EU abandoned Italy. Everyone is on their own in Europe and the culprits are trying to score political points.

NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD


Please stop repeating false and paranoid screeds you found on the internet.

If these are your own thoughts, put down the crazy glue.

 

[Dari]

Yes, but what you're saying might be a bit premature. What's happening to NYC could easily happen in other parts of America. You also fogot to include Louisiana which is currently getting hammered. Also, it's just natural to think that the heavily populated areas are going to get hammered first. NYC, LA are both heavily populated. Rural areas are less dense, so it would make sense that the virus would be less prevalent there. I live in South Jersey. We are getting hammered as well, but most of the cases are from North Jersey. It's more populated so it just makes sense. But, it doesn't mean that we couldn't get hammered with COVID-19 as well. It's a waiting game. We will find that answer in a few weeks. Finally, what about the people who don't have healthcare? How are they going to cope when they get a $5k hospital bill? IMO, this virus will show how just badly our heath care is in this country and it needs to be changed.

Just a thought.

NY state had zero infections on February 29th. A month later we lead the country in infections. This Chinese virus is now the second biggest killer of NYers. All that in a month. And what was happening before the first case? We had our mayor and governor telling us how it was coming and how it was going to be bad. All talk and no action. Zero preparation. Now they are overwhelmed, begging and blaming the Prez for their predicament. People don't realize that every state in this country is, more or less, sovereign. The President can't tell governors what to close. They also can't tell them when to reopen. Governors are very powerful figure in American politics and we have one here who loves the cameras more than dealing with the real issues. He totally failed in preparation. Totally. And who can forget our socialist mayor who ran for president on an extremely progressive agenda. They are both losers who have totally failed NYers. It's worse than pathetic how they've failed.

Please confine your political statements to the Coronavirus threads in P&N.
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[Dari]

Please stop repeating false and paranoid screeds you found on the internet.

If these are your own thoughts, put down the crazy glue.

These are all facts, you fool. France, England, Spain and Italy all have well over a thousand dead to this virus.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Please stop repeating false and paranoid screeds you found on the internet.

If these are your own thoughts, put down the crazy glue.

To be honest, I do think this will be a good means of testing how good different healthcare systems are.

Of course there are a bunch of factors that have to be accounted for, such as population density obviously plays a factor in how infected a given area will get...

But judging by Italy's numbers (in particular the percentage of deaths per case) is just not looking good compared to other countries (including US)

Just look at our proportion of deaths vs. number of cases to Span, Italy, and UK



Of course, it's hard to judge fully until we have some REAL numbers and accurate estimates which won't be until months after the pandemic is long gone.

 

[brianmanahan]

Of course, it's hard to judge fully until we have some REAL numbers and accurate estimates which won't be until months after the pandemic is long gone.

yeah as long as we can avoid exceeding capacity then our death rates will hopefully stay lower

but based on numbers it looks like that will be unavoidable across most of the US over the next couple weeks, regardless of whether the state is red or blue

a friend of mine just had a buddy in texas die from it - 40 years old, perfectly healthy otherwise

 

[allisolm]

Dare County, NC, the heart of the Outer Banks, is closed to visitor entry. Even part-year residents are being denied entry. The original goal was to get through the pandemic in the spring to save prime season. Now the goal is to survive.

And Florida is now stopping people on I-10 coming into FL from Louisiana, getting information about where they are staying and requiring them to self-isolate for 14 days.

Florida already stops people flying from NY , NJ and CT and has them register with the National Guard and self-quarantine for 14 days.

 

[brianmanahan]

If these are your own thoughts, put down the crazy glue.

he no longer respects his friend because the guy got coronavirus, therefore he is "weak"

so, yeah, the crazy glue was used up a long time ago

 

[Dari]

And Florida is now stopping people on I-10 coming into FL from Louisiana, getting information about where they are staying and requiring them to self-isolate for 14 days.

Florida already stops people flying from NY , NJ and CT and has them register with the National Guard and self-quarantine for 14 days.

And what exactly is that going to do? They pinky-swear they'll self-quarantine and then go about their business is what. It was partly assholes in New York breaking quarantine that led to the geometric rise in cases in NY. All because they had to do this or that. IMHO, if state leaders are smart, they will just tell people from hot zones to turn around and return to wherever the fuck they came from. A governor can do that. If they choose not to, it's on them. Like I said a couple of weeks ago, one thing saving this country is that many Americans live far apart and our media is alive and well, reporting every instance of a new infection. So long as that holds up and we have competent leaders, this thing will be squashed. Otherwise, we're all fucked.

 

[Red Squirrel]

So my regional health unit has a bit over 10 cases in the region now (5 in my city I think) and they decided to stop reporting. Seems kinda fishy to me, I think people should be informed of what's going on. By not being official about it, it's just going to create rumours for nothing or it may even create a false sense of security if there are more cases and people don't know.

 

[Mai72]

To be honest, I do think this will be a good means of testing how good different healthcare systems are.

Of course there are a bunch of factors that have to be accounted for, such as population density obviously plays a factor in how infected a given area will get...

But judging by Italy's numbers (in particular the percentage of deaths per case) is just not looking good compared to other countries (including US)

Just look at our proportion of deaths vs. number of cases to Span, Italy, and UK

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Of course, it's hard to judge fully until we have some REAL numbers and accurate estimates which won't be until months after the pandemic is long gone.

The new cases in America are so misleading. We could have 10X more new cases than France but we don't know because people still aren't being tested like they should. We need MASS TESTING! Wouldn't you agree? Set up the army in every region of America. Make it national law! Set up tents for mass teasting in every town. Everyone needs to be tested or you should face some type of punishment. Only then, can we start to get some type of handle on this. Do you agree? Or, I'm I a bit paranoid?

 

[slayer202]

China had severe lockdowns and they claim to have stopped the spread, though it seems that they haven't. I'm not so sure about these "self" quarantines. All these people in grocery stores or wherever else...I've been home for something like 3 weeks now(with a few trips out for essentials) and it's easy look outside where everything looks normal and think everything is ok. I imagine there are lots of people still not giving a shit and carrying on like normal where they can. It's all still a big mind fuck for me.

 

[FelixDeCat]

You cant buy a haircut - FOR ANY PRICE in North Texas right now. I called at least 40 all over in places that allowed businesses to remain open (which should theoretically include barber shops). Nope. Some have even disconnected their phones. I was willing to drive two or three hours just for a damn haircut, even go to another state!

Being that it might be more than a month (or longer) before they open, I figured desperate times call for desperate measures. I got the clippers out and just went to town. Thankfully I had some guards so I do have at least .00025 inches left in every direction.

Ill now be sporting my COVID19 hairstyle. I figure its about to become very popular.

 

[CZroe]

One interesting thing to see here is socialized medicine in action. We all know the Chinese are lying and they have socialized medicine. Italy has socialized medicine and their medical professionals are left with deciding who lives and dies with their antiquated equipment. Same with Spain and France. England, with their 'respected' NHS, have over 1000 dead. With the obvious exception of China, all these countries populations are dwarfed by the US yet our death rate is extremely low. Take out the liberal hotbeds of NYC, Washington and California and you won't have a crisis at all in this country. Just something to think about when deciding who to vote for this November. Democrats have swung so far to the left that they want to deepen and widen Obamacare, making it more European. Well, Europe's socialized medicine has essentially collapsed in the face of this pandemic. The world is counting on American medical scientists to fix this mess Communist China handed us and it is only here that encourages investment in medicine. Democrats are intent on destroying those incentives.

Just to add insult to injury, the Chinese are now in Italy to 'help' them there and the deaths keep skyrocketing. Two socialized medicine is worse than one. And all this after the EU abandoned Italy. Everyone is on their own in Europe and the culprits are trying to score political points.

Talk about counting your chickens before they hatch. The bulk of the USA's confirmed cases are still "active" so we won't know the death rate until we can compare recovered to dead. Currently the recovered are 2,387 to 1,716+ dead. That's an abysmal mortality rate of 72%. It's premature to draw any conclusions from these numbers this early.

Edit: Case in point, it's 20 minute later and the official US death count just jumped over 150+ to 1,873... but the number of recovered just jumped even more to 3,219 for an equally-premature 58% mortality rate.

These are all facts, you fool. France, England, Spain and Italy all have well over a thousand dead to this virus.

...and the US has nearly 2,000 dead. "Facts."

And what exactly is that going to do? They pinky-swear they'll self-quarantine and then go about their business is what. It was partly assholes in New York breaking quarantine that led to the geometric rise in cases in NY. All because they had to do this or that. IMHO, if state leaders are smart, they will just tell people from hot zones to turn around and return to wherever the fuck they came from. A governor can do that. If they choose not to, it's on them. Like I said a couple of weeks ago, one thing saving this country is that many Americans live far apart and our media is alive and well, reporting every instance of a new infection. So long as that holds up and we have competent leaders, this thing will be squashed. Otherwise, we're all fucked.

Weren't you flatly refusing to wait in isolation and social-distancing as long as it took when we discussed this last week? ...and now everyone else who didn't listen are "assholes?" Interesting.

The new cases in America are so misleading. We could have 10X more new cases than France but we don't know because people still aren't being tested like they should. We need MASS TESTING! Wouldn't you agree? Set up the army in every region of America. Make it national law! Set up tents for mass teasting in every town. Everyone needs to be tested or you should face some type of punishment. Only then, can we start to get some type of handle on this. Do you agree? Or, I'm I a bit paranoid?

We kinda need the tests for all that testing first, don't you think? Laws don't fix everything.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

You cant buy a haircut - FOR ANY PRICE in North Texas right now. I called at least 40 all over in places that allowed businesses to remain open (which should theoretically include barber shops). Nope. Some have even disconnected their phones. I was willing to drive two or three hours just for a damn haircut, even go to another state!

Being that it might be more than a month (or longer) before they open, I figured desperate times call for desperate measures. I got the clippers out and just went to town. Thankfully I had some guards so I do have at least .00025 inches left in every direction.

Ill now be sporting my COVID19 hairstyle. I figure its about to become very popular.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing of just giving myself a buzzcut... My hair grows way too fast, so I typically get a cut every 3-4 weeks.

My typical cut is usually 2 on the sides, 6 on top... I figured I could do itself... and if I screw up a bit... oh well! Not going out in public anytime soon

 

[purbeast0]

NY state had zero infections on February 29th.

That is 100000% false.

NY state had zero CONFIRMED cases on February 29th. There were definitely people with covid before then.

We are pretty sure our neighbor's friend had it back in January it was just never diagnosed as such. But all of his symptoms and the 9 day duration point directly to covid.

Oh, and it's not called the Chinese virus you idiot.