NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Mai72]

Has anyone been tested yet? Just curious?

Is there any cause for concern? Are you coughing? High temp? Difficulty breathing?

There's a thread for that . https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/atot-covid-19-victims-thread.2578068/
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[nakedfrog]

Wonder how many are smokers?

I work with a vegan who is about 45 years old. I told him he should stop smoking ASAP and then he went on this rant about meat eaters.

I had a good friend who was a vegan smoker, died in his mid 50s from throat cancer

 

[Annisman*]

From what I understand fever is by far the most common of the side effects with covid19 (if you ever even show symptoms!) So that's where I'd start for those of you wondering if you had it.

 

[randay]

Wonder how many are smokers?

I work with a vegan who is about 45 years old. I told him he should stop smoking ASAP and then he went on this rant about meat eaters.

youre lucky, if i was a vegan chainsmoker i would have probably stabbed you in the heart if you told me to stop smoking asap.

 

[Mai72]

I had a good friend who was a vegan smoker, died in his mid 50s from throat cancer

Sad. What I've noticed is my coworker si very emotional when he defends his smoking, and he's not using actual data to back his argument that smoking isn't bad. He keeps telling me that smoking is less dangerous than meat consumption. That is just not true. First, many of the meat eaters are also smokers! There is no study that I know of that has a group of vegan smokers who have died from just smoking, or those who have not passed away from smoking.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Sad. What I've noticed is my coworker si very emotional when he defends his smoking, and he's not using actual data to back his argument that smoking isn't bad. He keeps telling me that smoking is less dangerous than meat consumption. That is just not true. First, many of the meat eaters are also smokers! There is no study that I know of that has a group of vegan smokers who have died from just smoking, or those who have not passed away from smoking.

lol smoking is less dangerous than meat consumption? That is fall on the floor hilarious.

I mean, maybe if you were a "I smoke 2 ciggs a week" smoker, maybe... But most are addicts that smoke a pack a day practically.

 

[highland145]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1241035906980732930

Interesting, Italy is tracking double mortality rate for Men.

Heard something interesting. The large immigrant Chinese population in Italy are guest workers because Italy made a deal with China for infrastructure/economic help in exchange for access to ports and what not. And that the majority of deaths are these workers which would explain the rate for men.

Same for Iran.

 

[Mai72]

youre lucky, if i was a vegan chainsmoker i would have probably stabbed you in the heart if you told me to stop smoking asap.

Well I wasn't obnoxious about it. I wasn't like "YOU SHOULD QUIT SMOKING YOU FOOL!" I was like "have you thought about not smoking during this pandemic?" We got on the subject of COVID-19. That is why that topic was brought up. He can do what he wants. We are all adults.

 

[JEDI]

 

[Roger Wilco]

Here is an overview of the 25 worst case fatality rates that are currently being reported. The numbers are all over the place, so I think it is a definite possibility that new cases are being under-reported by an order of magnitude. I highly doubt Italy's true CFR is 8.3%; I think it's far more likely that hundreds of thousands if not millions of individuals are infected, as others have suggested in this thread.

Source

	Country / Territory	Confirmed	Δ 24h	Deaths	Δ 24h	Recovered	Active	CFR, %
1	San Marino	144	4	14	0	4	126	9.72
2	Indonesia	369	61	32	7	17	320	8.67
3	Italy	41,035	5322	3,405	427	4,440	33,190	8.3
4	Philippines	230	13	18	1	8	204	7.83
5	Iran	19,644	1237	1,433	149	6,745	11,466	7.29
6	Iraq	192	15	13	1	49	130	6.77
7	United Kingdom	3,269	577	184	47	65	3,020	5.63
8	Spain	20,412	3017	1,041	238	1,588	17,783	5.1
9	Mainland China	80,967	39	3,248	3	71,152	6,567	4.01
10	Netherlands	2,994	534	106	30	2	2,886	3.54
11	Japan	963	40	33	1	215	715	3.43
12	France	10,995	1861	372	108	1,295	9,328	3.38
13	Egypt	256	46	7	1	42	207	2.73
14	Lebanon	163	14	4	0	4	155	2.45
15	Argentina	128	31	3	0	3	122	2.34
16	Bulgaria	129	24	3	0	1	125	2.33
17	India	249	65	5	1	23	221	2.01
18	Greece	495	31	9	3	19	467	1.82
19	Belgium	2,257	462	37	16	204	2,016	1.64
20	Hong Kong	256	48	4	0	98	154	1.56
21	Taiwan	135	27	2	1	28	105	1.48
22	United States	16,162	4928	220	59	125	15,817	1.36
23	Ecuador	367	168	5	2	3	359	1.36
24	Canada	924	154	12	3	11	901	1.3
25	Peru	234	79	3	3	1	230	1.28

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Yeah they aren't.

Honestly this will forever be hard to gauge. There are plenty of countries and areas where people are too poor to seek medical care... or cases like italy where hospitals might be too full to take/diagnose you... Thus they are only able to effectively count the ones that are in the hospital.

 

[ponyo]

Curious, who besides the wealthy have the capability to buy the stocks by the billions that are being dumped?

Other wealthy and institutional funds who weren't levered 10 to 1 like the moron levered hedgefunds. And general public like me who are trying to catch the falling knife and buying stocks into this abyss and relentless forced selling. And world sovereign funds are also buying trying to stop the severity of the decline and fall. But all these people and funds are also selling as well trying to avoid the damage from the snowballed forced selling caused by these moron levered hedgefunds. I had to sell myself so I could avoid some of the decline from all the forced selling. Did I want to sell? Nope. But when everyone panics, you have to step aside or else you get tramped to death too. No one is bigger than the market. I'm just tiny ant trying to not get stomped and killed.

 

[ponyo]

Here is an overview of the 25 worst case fatality rates that are currently being reported. The numbers are all over the place, so I think it is a definite possibility that new cases are being under-reported by an order of magnitude. I highly doubt Italy's true CFR is 8.3%; I think it's far more likely that hundreds of thousands if not millions of individuals are infected, as others have suggested in this thread.

Source

	Country / Territory	Confirmed	Δ 24h	Deaths	Δ 24h	Recovered	Active	CFR, %
1	San Marino	144	4	14	0	4	126	9.72
2	Indonesia	369	61	32	7	17	320	8.67
3	Italy	41,035	5322	3,405	427	4,440	33,190	8.3
4	Philippines	230	13	18	1	8	204	7.83
5	Iran	19,644	1237	1,433	149	6,745	11,466	7.29
6	Iraq	192	15	13	1	49	130	6.77
7	United Kingdom	3,269	577	184	47	65	3,020	5.63
8	Spain	20,412	3017	1,041	238	1,588	17,783	5.1
9	Mainland China	80,967	39	3,248	3	71,152	6,567	4.01
10	Netherlands	2,994	534	106	30	2	2,886	3.54
11	Japan	963	40	33	1	215	715	3.43
12	France	10,995	1861	372	108	1,295	9,328	3.38
13	Egypt	256	46	7	1	42	207	2.73
14	Lebanon	163	14	4	0	4	155	2.45
15	Argentina	128	31	3	0	3	122	2.34
16	Bulgaria	129	24	3	0	1	125	2.33
17	India	249	65	5	1	23	221	2.01
18	Greece	495	31	9	3	19	467	1.82
19	Belgium	2,257	462	37	16	204	2,016	1.64
20	Hong Kong	256	48	4	0	98	154	1.56
21	Taiwan	135	27	2	1	28	105	1.48
22	United States	16,162	4928	220	59	125	15,817	1.36
23	Ecuador	367	168	5	2	3	359	1.36
24	Canada	924	154	12	3	11	901	1.3
25	Peru	234	79	3	3	1	230	1.28

I think Italy has millions of cases. That's the only logical explanation as to why they have such incredible high death rate. I understand multi-generation families often live under the same roof and they have older population than the rest of us. But I refuse to believe their death rate can be that high. Millions are infected in Italy. Occam's razor.

 

[H T C]

I think Italy has millions of cases. That's the only logical explanation as to why they have such incredible high death rate. I understand multi-generation families often live under the same roof and they have older population than the rest of us. But I refuse to believe their death rate can be that high. Millions are infected in Italy. Occam's razor.

No: what they DO HAVE is overwhelmed hospitals.

Once the hospitals are overwhelmed, doctors are essentially forced to choose who to give the respirators to, thus condemning to death those denied, thus inflating the death toll: it's a snowballing effect.

Italy is STILL seeing new cases that were contracted BEFORE the lockdown, because of the incubation period but, since that period is supposed to be 14 days, Italy is almost @ the point where they will begin seeing the results of the lockdown: i'm expecting the number of new cases to drop significantly @ that point BUT UNTIL THEN, the proportion of new cases will CONTINUE to go up

 

[ponyo]

No: what they DO HAVE is overwhelmed hospitals.

Once the hospitals are overwhelmed, doctors are essentially forced to choose who to give the respirators to, thus condemning to death those denied, thus inflating the death toll: it's a snowballing effect.

Italy is STILL seeing new cases that were contracted BEFORE the lockdown, because of the incubation period but, since that period is supposed to be 14 days, Italy is almost @ the point where they will begin seeing the results of the lockdown: i'm expecting the number of new cases to drop significantly @ that point BUT UNTIL THEN, the proportion of new cases will CONTINUE to go up

OK. Your explanation sounds better than mine. You're correct.

 

[H T C]

OK. Your explanation sounds better than mine. You're correct.

Whatever measures the various governments do TODAY will begin to show their effects AFTER the incubation period, which is SUPPOSED to be 14 days.

 

[Wreckem]

For everyone worried this is going to be 6 months or longer. The numbers really show this isn’t going to last that long. It’s going to be quick and exceptionally brutal as the majority of the US will be infected by late April or May.

The staggering effects of this event will last years but at this point in time with the virus will runs its course after ravaging the United States.

Those who already got sick and recovered are lucky. Those that get sick going forward are likely screwed unless they are asymptomatic or have a mild case that doesn’t need hospitalization.

 

[Roger Wilco]

No: what they DO HAVE is overwhelmed hospitals.

Once the hospitals are overwhelmed, doctors are essentially forced to choose who to give the respirators to, thus condemning to death those denied, thus inflating the death toll: it's a snowballing effect.

Italy is STILL seeing new cases that were contracted BEFORE the lockdown, because of the incubation period but, since that period is supposed to be 14 days, Italy is almost @ the point where they will begin seeing the results of the lockdown: i'm expecting the number of new cases to drop significantly @ that point BUT UNTIL THEN, the proportion of new cases will CONTINUE to go up

That does make sense, but how are you certain that they don't have tons of unconfirmed cases on top of hospitals being overwhelmed? Also, Germany has only 53 deaths out of 18,794 confirmed cases. Surely their hospitals must be getting overrun by now?

 

[H T C]

That does make sense, but how are you certain that they don't have tons of unconfirmed cases on top of hospitals being overwhelmed? Also, Germany has only 53 deaths out of 18,794 confirmed cases. Surely their hospitals must be getting overrun by now?

Germany has more than double the respiratory ICU's PER 100K people than Italy. That WILL help tremendously in facing this crisis.

For example, Portugal has roughly 1 / 3rd the respiratory ICU's Italy has, and we just crossed the 1000 cases mark ourselves.

 

[killster1]

I promise you would rather suck the shit out of trumps asshole in front of a trump rally crowd then deal with her. I PROMISE YOU THIS. Read my words carefully dude.

so you are gay ;( why get married in the first place, no wonder she is so crazy she married a gay guy ;(

This is not an acceptable style of posting.

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[shortylickens]

Home Schooling:

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Home Schooling:

While funny, plenty of parents are still going to blissfully believe it is the teacher.

 

[CZroe]

For everyone worried this is going to be 6 months or longer. The numbers really show this isn’t going to last that long. It’s going to be quick and exceptionally brutal as the majority of the US will be infected by late April or May.

The staggering effects of this event will last years but at this point in time with the virus will runs its course after ravaging the United States.

Those who already got sick and recovered are lucky. Those that get sick going forward are likely screwed unless they are asymptomatic or have a mild case that doesn’t need hospitalization.

Let's hope you're wrong and the majority WOULD be infected by late April or May if we weren't actively trying to "flatten the curve." That necessarily means lengthening the whole process.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Germany has more than double the respiratory ICU's PER 100K people than Italy. That WILL help tremendously in facing this crisis.

For example, Portugal has roughly 1 / 3rd the respiratory ICU's Italy has, and we just crossed the 1000 cases mark ourselves.

Oh wow, interesting. I wonder how many the U.S. has...

 

[DrMrLordX]

Re: Marty McFly being called "yellow" in the Back to the Future trilogy.

Chicken, not yellow.

What's wrong, McFly? Chicken?

I work with a vegan who is about 45 years old. I told him he should stop smoking ASAP and then he went on this rant about meat eaters.

Yay vegan smokers.

No: what they DO HAVE is overwhelmed hospitals.

And that's the difference between Covid-19 and influenza. In a nutshell.