NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[IndyColtsFan]

Yes. Look, I get it, you think you're special and you think rules shouldn't apply to you because reasons, but you aren't, and they do. If it takes 3 years of isolation to make sure we don't have to ICU 20% of the US population and kill off 5%+ of people over 50, then we're fucking quarantining for 3 years, okay?

Take up a hobby, grow a victory garden, learn to knit. Figure out something to fill out your day that doesn't require you to breath on people to 'live your life'. Knuckle up buttercup.

Bwahahaha! You’re calling me “buttercup” when you’re the one willing to hide in your house for 3 years? Toughen up buttercup, the world is a tough place out there. I will NOT quarantine myself for 3 years, and no one with any ounce of sanity will either.

You’re completely delusional, clueless, and off your rocker.

 

[highland145]

People will not quarantine for 12 months.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

People will not quarantine for 12 months.

Of course they won’t and it’s insane asking them to do so. If this were to extend to the 12+ month timeframe, high-risk populations will need to take the initiative to protect themselves.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Bwahahaha! You’re calling me “buttercup” when you’re the one willing to hide in your house for 3 years? Toughen up buttercup, the world is a tough place out there. I will NOT quarantine myself for 3 years, and no one with any ounce of sanity will either.

You’re completely delusional, clueless, and off your rocker.

Who's hiding? I've got enough work to do on my property to keep me busy for years of WFH time. As long as food supplies don't stop, I'd do this indefinitely. I'd certainly be willing to 'tough it out' so I don't expose people to a potentially deadly illness.

I guess not everyone else is willing to be marginally uncomfortable or bored to prevent the deaths of others though. So, rock on, lick some doorknobs, and buy stock in coffin manufacturers.

 

[killster1]

Is English your first language?

Guess who I trust more. The CDC and every single medical expert PLUS my years of bio-hazard training in the Army, or you?

Go on, guess.

Here is a hint: In a medical environment medical professionals who do not want to infect you wear masks and maybe a gown. That's it. That is effective in ensuring they do not infect their patients.

Medical professionals who are protecting themselves from being infected wear bio-hazard suits or, at a minimum, masks, face masks and fully taped and sealed gowns and undergo a full decon procedure after exposure before de-gowning.

A mask alone does not offer effective bio-hazard protection to the wearer and the vast majority of people will not use it correctly, and even if they do, it's NOT a bio-hazard protection.

So yeah, keep calling all the experts "stupid."

oh you cant understand my english, no im not english. a mask alone does not protect 100% but is 90% better then 0%? do you need to be a mathematician to answer this mr biohazard expert? big army expert ehh? no wonder you are full of yourself.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Who's hiding? I've got enough work to do on my property to keep me busy for years of WFH time. As long as food supplies don't stop, I'd do this indefinitely. I'd certainly be willing to 'tough it out' so I don't expose people to a potentially deadly illness.

I guess not everyone else is willing to be marginally uncomfortable or bored to prevent the deaths of others though. So, rock on, lick some doorknobs, and buy stock in coffin manufacturers.

I’m not willing to throw away 3 years of my life (using your example) and no one sane would do it either, and I’m turning 50 this year, so I’m on the cusp of joining the age group you cited as being vulnerable earlier.

If you quarantine people for years on end, the supply chain would be disrupted and potentially destroyed. Entire industries would cease to exist. Tens of millions would be unemployed and have no income. And that’s just in the US. But sure, let’s curl in the fetal position, hiding in the corner screaming “but think of the old people!” rather than looking for sane, realistic solutions and NOT destroying our world.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

rather than looking for sane, realistic solutions and NOT destroying our world.

Got any example solutions?

 

[purbeast0]

I know that we keep seeing the numbers of positive results coming back increasing daily at a high rate, but is there anywhere showing the negative test result numbers too? Since more people are being tests, surely there are more negative tests coming back as well.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I know that we keep seeing the numbers of positive results coming back increasing daily at a high rate, but is there anywhere showing the negative test result numbers too? Since more people are being tests, surely there are more negative tests coming back as well.

In the US, they're only testing cases that are almost guaranteed to be positives, so I'd wager our negative test rate is 10% or lower right now. Other countries are going to be different from that, and I do wish those numbers were being released a bit more.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Got any example solutions?

Some have already been mentioned earlier in this thread - should this pandemic stretch on, many solutions are focused on the more vulnerable members of society protecting themselves - maybe they should be the ones isolating themselves and perhaps people visiting nursing homes, etc. should be required to wear PPE to avoid passing it on.

But you need to answer my earlier question - what if a vaccine proves much more elusive than we think now, and what if it takes years and years to develop one? At some point, you must draw the line. You can't just resign yourself to throwing years of your life away (years you will NEVER get back), rotting away at home, saying "but I'm protecting others" while the world dies around you. You can't forgo weddings, funerals, graduations, or other life events forever - those make us human and define our civilization. At some point, people have to decide for themselves what an acceptable risk is. A quarantine period of a few months may work and even if it doesn't, that will buy time to manufacture much-needed supplies. A quarantine of one year or more is asking too much.

 

[njdevilsfan87]

Nothing new, but this is probably the first silent chaos I've had to experience since my last grocery run a week ago. I had to go to two grocery stores this morning to get everything we need for the next week. Eggs are becoming scarce.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Some have already been mentioned earlier in this thread - should this pandemic stretch on, many solutions are focused on the more vulnerable members of society protecting themselves - maybe they should be the ones isolating themselves and perhaps people visiting nursing homes, etc. should be required to wear PPE to avoid passing it on.

Right, so you don't have to because you're special. Got it.

Did you know a moderate percentage of even young people are getting potentially lifelong lung scarring as a result of this? Is that still acceptable so you don't feel bored or uncomfortable? Maybe instead of them changing their expectations of life, death, and injury, you need to change your perceptions of normalcy.

But you need to answer my earlier question - what if a vaccine proves much more elusive than we think now, and what if it takes years and years to develop one? At some point, you must draw the line. You can't just resign yourself to throwing years of your life away (years you will NEVER get back), rotting away at home, saying "but I'm protecting others" while the world dies around you. You can't forgo weddings, funerals, graduations, or other life events forever - those make us human and define our civilization. At some point, people have to decide for themselves what an acceptable risk is. A quarantine period of a few months may work and even if it doesn't, that will buy time to manufacture much-needed supplies. A quarantine of one year or more is asking too much.

Our civilization is what we decide it is. If we decide that civilization includes frivolities such as group gatherings for celebrations of events (including ironically deaths) at the unreasonable expense of others' lives and wellbeing, then, well, that'll be civilization for a few years. You'll get to tell your grandkids about the heady days of COVID-19, when you could go out and do what you wanted as long as you were okay with potentially getting infected and dying, or getting others infected and killing them.

Or, we can accept a different kind of lifestyle, that doesn't include an endless cycle of manufacturing and buying garbage. Maybe one that focuses on communal effort and communal rewards, personal responsibility and personal care (victory gardens and chicken farms anyone?), and caring a little more for each other than ourselves? Yeah that's probably asking too much.

 

[allisolm]

Those of you who think this is mostly an old folks disease might want to rethink your position.

"A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analysis of U.S. cases from Feb. 12 to March 16 released Wednesday shows 38 percent of those sick enough to be hospitalized were younger than 55.

Earlier this week, French health ministry official Jérome Salomon said half of the 300 to 400 coronavirus patients treated in intensive care units in Paris were younger than 65, and, according to numbers presented at a seminar of intensive care specialists, half the ICU patients in the Netherlands were younger than 50."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/19/younger-adults-are-large-percentage-coronavirus-hospitalizations-united-states-according-new-cdc-data/

 

[purbeast0]

In the US, they're only testing cases that are almost guaranteed to be positives, so I'd wager our negative test rate is 10% or lower right now. Other countries are going to be different from that, and I do wish those numbers were being released a bit more.

Not sure what you are referring to or where you are pulling your numbers from. I know when my county had 6 cases, 3 of them were negative, 1 was positive, and they were waiting for 2 to come back.

 

[Svnla]

Walmart is cutting its stores hours even more, closing Automotive, having hours for seniors, putting limit on purchases, and much more - https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...rs-senior-shopping-product-limits/2872045001/

 

[Annisman*]

If you guys are interested: my brief interview yesterday

Also an update. Went home last night to New York when we heard they would be closing the border and grabbed as much of our supplies that we had stockpiled for the kids etc and brought them back up to Canada this morning.

The border agent was a good guy, and we had a brief chat. He said it's very possible I will be denied entry once the law goes into effect he's guessing today or tomorrow. One thing he mentioned was one of the requirements to enter might be to prove that you have medical coverage in Canada. So I called up my insurance and they're sending me a letter stating that I do have at the very least emergency coverage while traveling internationally, I hope that is enough to satisfy them. Anyways still waiting on the final word for what the rules are for crossing.

Edit: Also, no looking at my wife's boobies !!!

 

[Kaido]

On the other side of the fence:

Stanford Professor: Data Indicates We’re Severely Overreacting To Coronavirus | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Right, so you don't have to because you're special. Got it.

Wear protective PPE to visit nursing homes? More than happy to do that! Isolate myself for 3 years hoping the problem just goes away? Nope! You're the "special" one if you think that's a valid solution.

Did you know a moderate percentage of even young people are getting potentially lifelong lung scarring as a result of this? Is that still acceptable so you don't feel bored or uncomfortable? Maybe instead of them changing their expectations of life, death, and injury, you need to change your perceptions of normalcy.

I did know that. Did you know I said this? "At some point, people have to decide for themselves what an acceptable risk is."

Our civilization is what we decide it is. If we decide that civilization includes frivolities such as group gatherings for celebrations of events (including ironically deaths) at the unreasonable expense of others' lives and wellbeing, then, well, that'll be civilization for a few years. You'll get to tell your grandkids about the heady days of COVID-19, when you could go out and do what you wanted as long as you were okay with potentially getting infected and dying, or getting others infected and killing them.

Or, we can accept a different kind of lifestyle, that doesn't include an endless cycle of manufacturing and buying garbage. Maybe one that focuses on communal effort and communal rewards, personal responsibility and personal care (victory gardens and chicken farms anyone?), and caring a little more for each other than ourselves? Yeah that's probably asking too much.

Nice dodge. Where do you draw the line? I've asked several times. If a vaccine takes 5 years to develop, are you fine with being quarantined to your house for 5 years with only a trip to the grocery every week?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Not sure what you are referring to or where you are pulling your numbers from. I know when my county had 6 cases, 3 of them were negative, 1 was positive, and they were waiting for 2 to come back.

Sorry, my county is as well. I more meant for the US as a whole. If testing is starting to ramp up beyond the level of 'definite cases' then I stand corrected, but that's what it seemed to be last I read. Information is limited.

 

[purbeast0]

Sorry, my county is as well. I more meant for the US as a whole. If testing is starting to ramp up beyond the level of 'definite cases' then I stand corrected, but that's what it seemed to be last I read. Information is limited.

Gotcha. And yeah, that is why it would be nice if we had this information out there.

Like say in my example with 6 tests - 3 negatives, 1 positive, 2 not back yet. When I see the number now at 105, maybe that means they have tested 600 people and 300 came back negative with 200 not back yet. Seeing those kinds of numbers I do feel would put some people at ease a bit and put stuff into perspective.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I did know that. Did you know I said this? "At some point, people have to decide for themselves what an acceptable risk is."

Missing the point, if you're going out and interacting with people, you're also deciding for THEM what an acceptable risk is.

Nice dodge. Where do you draw the line? I've asked several times. If a vaccine takes 5 years to develop, are you fine with being quarantined to your house for 5 years with only a trip to the grocery every week?

Yes, I am. I'm fine with staying home, working on my property, taking up hobbies, and generally keeping to myself for 5 years, with only weekly grocery/supply runs. I wouldn't mind if restrictions were loosened so I could go to some of the local trails, but I wouldn't lose my mind if I couldn't. If you feel like you just simply cannot stand being in your own thoughts, taking care of yourself and your home, and just generally being outside of the general population for 5 years, I think you're the one that's got a problem, not me.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Gotcha. And yeah, that is why it would be nice if we had this information out there.

Like say in my example with 6 tests - 3 negatives, 1 positive, 2 not back yet. When I see the number now at 105, maybe that means they have tested 600 people and 300 came back negative with 200 not back yet. Seeing those kinds of numbers I do feel would put some people at ease a bit and put stuff into perspective.

Looking at ours (updates once a day), we're at 93 pending, 6 positive, 46 negative, 86 in quarantine, 35 released from quarantine. We've been getting test results back VERY slowly, pending tests have been escalating much faster.

 

[WelshBloke]

lulululul who said i was smarter or wiser? i just enjoy traveling and seeing the world, now i enjoy taking my wife places since she has been no where before. she has been to at least 12 countries now after spending the first 24 years of her life in the same one with no dream to go anywhere. well if you travel when you are 70 and travel when you are 30 its a whole different world. radio DJ sounds like a nightmare to me but maybe it gives you some kinda high. ( i get my high's by a different way ((skydiving driving super fast that kinda thing)) )

and shit i thought you said you had 2.5 years of vacation you just never used hahaha i still feel bad that you never got to travel and still are not traveling, specially in the next 6 months with this virus. its super fun to go snorkling in the Philippines or tiger zoo's in thailand among other things. Crazy cheap vacations 500 for air fair, 50$ will get you a 5 star hotel with buffet breakfast. /shrug i guess we all make our choices in life, most people say the same as you, they have been to just mexico or a few states of the usa.

Dude you really come across as an arse sometimes. You might want to do something about that.

 

[CZroe]

People will not quarantine for 12 months.

Yeah, but it'll flatten the curve just to keep people in as long as they are willing. Also slowly build up herd immunity if done carefully enough (taking efforts to isolate from high-risk individuals).

I'll repeat this for you:

Guess who I trust more. The CDC and every single medical expert PLUS my years of bio-hazard training in the Army, or you?

Go on, guess.

Here is a hint: In a medical environment medical professionals who do not want to infect you wear masks, gloves and maybe a gown. That's it. That is effective in ensuring they do not infect their patients.

Medical professionals who are protecting themselves from being infected wear bio-hazard suits or, at a minimum, masks, face masks and fully taped and sealed gowns and undergo a full decon procedure after exposure before de-gowning.

A mask alone does not offer effective bio-hazard protection to the wearer and the vast majority of people will not use it correctly, and even if they do, it's NOT a bio-hazard protection.

So yeah, keep calling all the experts "stupid."

Two words:
"Every" expert?

So now you're just pulling percentages out of your ass?

No, I'm not an expert. I'm just smart enough to listen to EVERY FUCKING MEDICAL expert and they all have advised that masks alone DO NOT protect people from infection.

No one thought masks alone were the magic bullet and it's obvious that experts do not agree on their efficacy. Experts literally mandate them elsewhere.

The problem with wearing a mask in public is you'll be thought of as being infected with COVID-19. lol, it's probably a great way to clear the checkout line though.

If you get pulled over just roll down your window and start coughing.

 

[Amused]

oh you cant understand my english, no im not english. a mask alone does not protect 100% but is 90% better then 0%? do you need to be a mathematician to answer this mr biohazard expert? big army expert ehh? no wonder you are full of yourself.

So now you're just pulling percentages out of your ass?

No, I'm not an expert. I'm just smart enough to listen to EVERY FUCKING MEDICAL expert and they all have advised that masks alone DO NOT protect people from infection.