NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

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i would quit but then i wouldn't have good health insurance

Well, if you were to quit at the beginning of year (or shortly after the beginning) what stops someone from jumping on medicaid?

Main thing there are income restrictions.... Which, same goes for Obamacare (ACA), if you make below a certain threshold, tax credits cover ~90%+ of the coverage amounts.
 
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That’s why you get another job first and then quit.

Eh, I've quit twice now without having my next job 100% lined up.

Ultimately I cannot stress this enough to folks... If a hospital..doctor...whatever... sends you a bill that is without insurance or even "out of network" it means nothing. Barter with them like it's a craigslist deal. Start with - I'll pay you 20%.

I've had those in my life (namely, "out of network" bullshit), and that's what happened every time. They just hope you don't question shit and just pay it. The bill total could be $342,623.44 - that doesn't mean that it's a reasonable price. That doesn't mean it would hold up in court. They know it's bullshit, and they are hoping you just bend-over.
 
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myocardia

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You might do well to quarantine yourself if you can. Hey, get some zinc lozenges. Use them per the instructions if you have any indication that you might be coming down with something. They are said to really help in stopping this virus's action, which is 100% to attack lung tissue. I'll paste in Dr. Robb's post, which explains it:
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Info from James Robb, MD FCAP, a renowned pathologist:

Dear Family and Friends, as some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.

The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread by mid to late March and April.

Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves.:

1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.

2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc.. Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.

3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip - do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.

4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.

5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.

6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home's entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can't immediately wash your hands.

7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!

What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:

1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas.

Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average - everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious. The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon. This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs). The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.

2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you - it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth - it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.

3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.

4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY "cold-like" symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.

I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it. Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.

I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. Good luck to all of us,

James Robb, MD FCAP
Whoa, that's good information...except for the fact that wearing gloves by people who are not trained to safely remove gloves is usually worse for that person's health than just washing their hands. The reason that people who were wearing gloves assume that their hands are 100% safe, once they remove the gloves. While that's true for someone who knows the correct way to remove gloves, such as any healthcare professional, the average Joe Sixpack infects at least one of their own hands, whilst removing the gloves. Since they then incorrectly assume that both of their hands are safe, they're then much more likely to touch their own eyes/nose/mouth or their young children's eyes/nose/mouth, spreading the infection, instead of slowing the spreading. If you buy nitrile gloves, you're wasting your time & money, unless you spend 20 or 30 minutes watching youtube videos about how to safely remove latex gloves. Nitrile is nitrile latex, and in the healthcare industry, all gloves used to protect oneself are latex, whether nitrile or not, so search youtube for how to remove latex gloves, not how to remove nitrile gloves.
 
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jpiniero

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You don't need to be employed to have good health insurance... you just need to be able to pay it. For example the moment you quit COBRA kicks in for up to 18 months. For a single payer it shouldn't be more than ~$700/mo. I pay about ~$1500/mo for a family plan since I switched from salaried to hourly some time ago.

Wow that's expensive. Hope that's at least Gold.
 

JEDIYoda

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You don't need to be employed to have good health insurance... you just need to be able to pay it. For example the moment you quit COBRA kicks in for up to 18 months. For a single payer it shouldn't be more than ~$700/mo. I pay about ~$1500/mo for a family plan since I switched from salaried to hourly some time ago.
Cobra kicks in if you chose to pay through the ass for health insurance!!
 

myocardia

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For single-use packaging, it's cheap and only questioned by hippies, until recently. In 1993, a girl in my junior high science fair did a project on plastic and distilled water. It was a legit project and made me aware that it wasn't safe to heat things in plastic. I basically don't use a microwave unless heating soup up in a glass bowl.
LMFAO, what would using a microwave have to do with storing water in plastic? Storing foods in plastic is as safe as storing it a container made from any other material. Yes, plastics should never be heated, because that releases toxins into the air, and you should definitely never put your food into a plastic dish to microwave it, but you are the very first person in this thread who mentioned heating foods that are touching plastic. The entire quoted portion of your post is the epitome of 'straw man'.
 

JEDIYoda

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Most of us are aware that plastic and microwaves are a bad match. But despite that knowledge, we sometimes fall into the trap of, say, heating up our Tupperware-packed lunches we’ve brought to work in the office microwave.
If you really do a deep dive into the dangers of plastics in the kitchen, you probably would quit this bad habit cold turkey, but the truth is we're all strapped for time and are just looking for a safe way to heat our leftovers in the microwave in less than two minutes.
That's why we rounded up some quick guidance on how to microwave safely in a plastic world. It should take you not much longer to read than it takes to zap … um … whatever those leftovers you’re eating are.
What’s the problem with plastic, anyway?
The evidence is mounting that plastic food containers are bad for our health. The two key culprits are the man-made chemicals Phthalates and Bisphenol A (BPA), which are often added to plastic to help it keep its shape and pliability. Known as “endocrine disruptors,” these substances have been found to affect hormones, such as estrogen and testosterone, which can cause reproductive and other medical problems. They may be especially dangerous to children, potentially impeding normal growth and development, according to the Pediatric Environmental Health Specialty Units.
Wait, isn’t this stuff regulated?
Well, yes and no. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration says it’s on the job. But last July the American Academy of Pediatrics called for more stringent federal food safety requirements, noting that many of the chemicals added to foods and packaging was grandfathered in decades ago or designated “Generally Recognized as Safe” without undergoing an FDA approval process. “There are critical weaknesses in the current food additives regulatory process, which doesn’t do enough to ensure all chemicals added to foods are safe enough to be part of a family’s diet,” AAP Council on Environmental Health member Leonardo Trasande, MD, MPP, FAAP, said in the organization’s policy statement. The AAP specifically flagged the dangers of BPA and Phthalates.
OK, so what does that mean for microwaving?
Basically, heat can cause the BPA and Phthalates in plastics to leach into your food. That means – yeah, sorry – you should avoid microwaving food and beverages in plastic. Instead, transfer them into microwave-safe glass or ceramic containers. And those “microwave safe” plastic dome covers? The FDA says they’re OK, but, if you need to cover your food, it’s probably safest to use wax paper, parchment paper, a white paper towel or even a ceramic plate.
Are some plastics worse than others?
In general, steer clear of plastic with recycling codes 3 (phthalates), 6 (styrene) and 7 (bisphenols) except for those that are marked as “biobased” or “greenware,” the AAP cautions. The Environmental Working Group stresses that, when storing food, if you have to use plastic, you should avoid anything marked with recycling 7 and use 4 instead. “#1 and #2 are BPA-free, but some researchers do not recommend their reuse,” EWG notes. Meanwhile, Harvard Health advises that plastic takeout containers and grocery-food tubs (the kind used for margarine or yogurt) are generally not microwave-safe; prepackaged microwave food trays should not be reused; old, scratched or cracked containers may be especially apt to leach chemicals and should be tossed; and microwaving food in plastic bags is a big no-no.
Any other tips?
Washing plastic containers in the dishwasher can also prompt them to leach chemicals and should also be avoided. If you must wash plastics marked “dishwasher safe,” place them in the top rack, far from the heating element, Consumer Reports advises.
In sum, glass and "microwave-safe" ceramic dishware are your friends when microwaving food. Your enemy? One word: plastics.
 

myocardia

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No. You store water in plastic and the water will dissolve tiny amount of plastic, albeit slowly.
You realise water is a universal solvent? Why would anyone care about lead pipes if water does nothing to lead?
Wait, let me get this straight. So, you're saying that water dissolves plastics, even though it has no ability to dissolve steel or lead? The answer to your question, BTW, is that the water does zero to the lead from the pipe, except carry it into the home/office. See, they bury water mains quite a few feet deep. The feet of Earth that are above them weighs millions of pounds. After 60/70/80 years, the cumulative effect of that weight, along with the age of the pipes makes the pipes start to fracture. Every fracture involves a considerable amount of lead leaving the fracture, and being dispersed into that town's water supply. Since it doesn't not require much lead at all being inside of the human body before that human starts experiencing ill effects from that lead, I'm sure you can see where the problems would be.
 

myocardia

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I'm just saying, when a label says "pure drinking water" and the water gets tainted by a container after it's stored in a 100 degree heat or more (left in a car, for instance)....or it's stored in a bottle long enough that it starts to break down. Neither example is likely every day. It's generally safe....you probably have more likelyhood of carbonated beverages with citric acid depleting the inside of the bottles. 😛

None of that matters to me though. Only cheap liquor is sold in plastic.
Haha, good points made there with the heat...except unless you live in Alaska, the temperatures inside of a sealed vehicle are nowhere near 100ºF. Food or water stored in plastics in 100ºF is completely safe. The problem is that in the hotter states, it can be well over 180ºF for hours at a time inside of a sealed vehicle. Even in the average non-Northern state, it can be in excess of 170ºF for hours at a time. Those temperatures are of course only in the hottest parts of the summer, and those types of temperatures, are something that would involve me not wanting to expose myself to the dangers of carcinogens becoming present from the plastic. While I'm not a scientist, I would bet dollars to donuts, as some of the older generations liked to say, that ~170-180ºF would be plenty hot enough to start the movement of carcinogens out of the plastic, into the water/other liquid.
 

zinfamous

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Umm, they don't sell lotion where you live? Washing hands doesn't damage them, it only removes the needed oils that prevent the effects you're complaining about. Well, it removes germs too, but removing germs/viruses doesn't cause dry, itchy skin.;)

it absolutely does if you do it too much per day, chronically. You can literally rub your skin off.

Even worse, constant use of that purel bullshit will dry and crack your skin even faster, exacerbate bloody, peeling skin.

This is why civies aren't supposed to it on a daily basis. Talk to a medical professional that is generally required to use that stuff all day long.
 

zinfamous

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In 1993, a girl in my junior high science fair did a project on plastic and distilled water. It was a legit project and made me aware that it wasn't safe to heat things in plastic. I basically don't use a microwave unless heating soup up in a glass bowl.

But ddH2O is the ELIXIR OF LIFE, BRO!!!!!
 

Mai72

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Some believe the moon landings were staged in a hangar in the desert southwest.

Those are comments from the CDC. You can take it for what it is. People also underestimated Hitler and look at what happened. Only time will tell my friend.
 

Svnla

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NBC Nightly News just did a story about making trip via flight in this environment. It very much said not to panic but to clean surface that a lot of people did touch. I think wearing a disposable pair of gloves and not touching any part of your face with said gloves is a good idea. An old lady did that last night at Walmart while pushing her shopping cart around.
 
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zinfamous

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People fighting over TP. Christ people are retarded over this TP shit.

Seriously, if you need that much TP then you have other problems in life.

holy shit what does she need that entire cart of TP for? she is defending that shit with her life.


....only valid excuse I can think of is private day care/nursing facility or something like that, or even small assisted living. ....though I'd think they have dedicated distribution for that stuff, or at least are generally stocked up full time.

My nephew went to a K-5 or so Montessori school that was fully licensed and all that, but basically on the property/home of a family--the teacher/head of the school, her mother, and I think some sisters/brothers or various other relatives that staffed the school. I think the mother and her mom lived there, but it also had fenced backyard playground, parking lot, it was definitely zoned residential/commercial. Anywho, any kind of operation like that--2 adult residents and up to 7 full time adult staff, and 12-15 kids for full-time school, (or however many, I'm not sure), I don't think those people are stocking up anywhere else but Costco and Target...
 

brianmanahan

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NBC News just did a story about flight in this environment. It very much said not to panic but to clean surface that a lot of people did touch. I think wearing a disposable pair of gloves is a good idea. An old lady did that last night at Walmart.

i am thinking about wearing my latex gloves whenever i leave the house

but ideally i won't have to leave for a couple weeks or more
 

K1052

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At my local Target today:

TP section razed
All hand sanitizer and isopropyl alcohol gone
Hand soap section getting decimated though they still had some stock
 

zinfamous

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I use lot of toilet paper. I admit I make hand turban when I wipe my butt. My daughter does the same. My wife conserves and only uses few sheets at a time while I might use quarter of a roll. I have several cases of TP from Costco and have no shame having some at hand. I don't want to have to run around and hunt for TP to be in stock at some store when I'm running low. That would suck so bad if I had to camp out to buy TP like people did for Nintendo Wii and Playstation 2.


dude, you need a bidet + more fiber (citrucel is actually god) in your diet, because your poop shouldn't require that much wiping.

I mean, unless you also drink like a case of budlight or coors every night, because then that would make sense.
 

ponyo

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State Department says Americans shouldn't travel on cruise ships, especially with underlying conditions.
https://travel.state.gov/content/tr...LuSM8i0KWQBSaZ4heDniggmxR3kBR6e2EgWiKr6B0EseM


I said on my original post I would not go near cruise ships. Are cruise companies like Carnival and Royal Caribbean allowing people to cancel their cruises and refunding their money like the airlines? I haven't heard any official statements from the cruise industry so I'm assuming no. The cruise industry should do the right thing and allow people to cancel and refund or credit people for future cruises.
 

purbeast0

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NBC News just did a story about flight in this environment. It very much said not to panic but to clean surface that a lot of people did touch. I think wearing a disposable pair of gloves and not touching any part of your face with said gloves is a good idea. An old lady did that last night at Walmart.
I am flying tomorrow. I am curious to see how much hand sanitizer is everywhere in the airports. Heard they are all over the place from my buddy who's coming back from Europe as I type this. I'll have some hand sanitizer with me and some wipes. My mom dropped off some N95 masks too I'll have them but not wearing them initially or anything.

I'm mainly going to just be cautious of what I touch and stuff and make sure to wash the crap out of my hands. It's going to be hard to get my 4 year old to only touch what we tell him to.
 
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Svnla

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60 Minutes is having a story about this virus right now. Leading story of the show.