NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[CZroe]

I know I'm preaching to the choir here but I think stating this still provides some clarity concerning our situation:

Vaccines will help. If they don't it's gonna be a bitch. Vaccines will contribute to herd immunity. Vaccines by themselves, if not highly effective (and apparently they aren't expected to be highly effective), will only protect you partially. IOW, if I get vaccinated and it prevents me from getting the virus 60%, I still stand a good chance of getting sick the way things stand. But if enough people get vaccinated, the spread is gonna slow dramatically. The R0 factor (the number of people infected by each person who contracts the virus) will go way down and the pandemic will be stanched. Then my chances of getting the virus become low. Not so much because I'm vaccinated (although that helps) but because the virus won't be around much.

Given these facts, if you have risk factors in particular, you should still be thoughtful and careful after getting vaccinated. As herd immunity builds (by virtue of vaccinations and immunity conferred to the populace who have survived infection) it won't be as necessary to take precautions. Hope all this makes good sense.

A 60% effective vaccine for something that isn't a moving target like the flu typically means that you have a 60% chance of developing immunity and if you do it is 100% effective for you. This is why the CDC director recently clarified that masks are not more effective than vaccine-induced immunity but can, overall, be more effective than a minimally-effective vaccine. Obviously, the right answer is "Y not both?"

 

[K1052]

A 60% effective vaccine for something that isn't a moving target like the flu typically means that you have a 60% chance of developing immunity and if you do it is 100% effective for you. This is why the CDC director recently clarified that masks are not more effective than vaccine-induced immunity but can, overall, be more effective than a minimally-effective vaccine. Obviously, the right answer is "Y not both?"

And development of that immunity is going to be driven by age and condition. A fit 30 year old could develop immunity nearly every time. A 70 year old obese person with diabetes is probably on the lower end of the odds.

 

[K1052]

Moderna progress: 25K of 30K enrolled. 10K have second doses. They published the protocol (scientists cheer). Initial results expected November.

Basically they are just trailing Pfizer by a couple weeks but their's stretches out a bit too since its 28 days between doses instead of 21.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1306555647547322369

 

[Scarpozzi]

Moderna progress: 25K of 30K enrolled. 10K have second doses. They published the protocol (scientists cheer). Initial results expected November.

Basically they are just trailing Pfizer by a couple weeks but their's stretches out a bit too since its 28 days between doses instead of 21.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1306555647547322369

Great news. Once enough people get immunized, how long will it take those antibodies to actually get into the bat populations? I'm assuming we're just banking on vampire bats biting people and then it killing the virus in bats that way?

 

[K1052]

Great news. Once enough people get immunized, how long will it take those antibodies to actually get into the bat populations? I'm assuming we're just banking on vampire bats biting people and then it killing the virus in bats that way?

Stop making out with bats.

 

[K1052]

@local
Good luck to ya, & thanks!

Saw this on the news yesterday. Is this a new type of treatment?
UPMC doctors tout ’breakthrough’ COVID-19 drug which could prove valuable if vaccine fails
Hasn't gotten to human trials yet, only animals

It's another antibody treatment similar to what Lilly, Regeneron, and others are developing. Initial antibody treatments have to be infused which is kind of a pain but future ones could be injected or inhaled. The next couple years will see these and likely some new antivirals becoming available as treatment options. Since whatever first vaccines we get are likely to be not totally effective in some groups they'll be important for a while.

 

[K1052]

It would be helpful if the government would refrain from claiming that an outlandish number of doses (100M) will be available in October when CDC briefings to the people who will actually be administering them says about 1M by end October. Not to mention claims of 300M doses by Jan when best guess is 40-45M doses by year's end.

 

[Scarpozzi]

It would be helpful if the government would refrain from claiming that an outlandish number of doses (100M) will be available in October when CDC briefings to the people who will actually be administering them says about 1M by end October. Not to mention claims of 300M doses by Jan when best guess is 40-45M doses by year's end.

This is the non-political thread. You're not allowed to repeat speculation that this administration won't cure the virus by November 15.

 

[K1052]

Mass antigen testing finally nearing fruition

https://twitter.com/x/status/1306624414792871943

 

[Ichinisan]

Great news. Once enough people get immunized, how long will it take those antibodies to actually get into the bat populations? I'm assuming we're just banking on vampire bats biting people and then it killing the virus in bats that way?

Bats have a weak immune system that allows the viruses to thrive. It's why so many diseases live in bat populations. Their weak immune system has something to do with enabling a metabolism high enough for mammalian flight.

 

[Svnla]

Anyone post this yet?

Colleges students ignored common sense and good practices. So much for social distance.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/much-honor-despite-covid-cases-061727328.html

 

[Muse]

It would be helpful if the government would refrain from claiming that an outlandish number of doses (100M) will be available in October when CDC briefings to the people who will actually be administering them says about 1M by end October. Not to mention claims of 300M doses by Jan when best guess is 40-45M doses by year's end.

Easier to lie than check with the professionals. He'd rather watch TV, eat, fuck and play golf. Lazy boy spins yarns for the deplorables. Anyone up for a Clorox injection party? Yahoo.

Edit: Whoops, we're getting kind of political here aren't we. Well, it's science, right? Clorox kills virus. I repeat, yahoo.

 

[K1052]

Anyone post this yet?

Colleges students ignored common sense and good practices. So much for social distance.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/much-honor-despite-covid-cases-061727328.html

Everybody knew this would happen. Especially with undergrads.

 

[darkswordsman17]

So it is indeed bogus. Thank you.



I thought this was a non-political thread. Why is everyone talking about Trump?

Because an associate of his was complicit in that bogus report you posted? It wasn't the first time such behavior occurred.

You could also read my post.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Stop making out with bats.

Hey they sucked my dick, its not gay!

It would be helpful if the government would refrain from claiming that an outlandish number of doses (100M) will be available in October when CDC briefings to the people who will actually be administering them says about 1M by end October. Not to mention claims of 300M doses by Jan when best guess is 40-45M doses by year's end.

Stop getting political!!!

This is the non-political thread. You're not allowed to repeat speculation that this administration won't cure the virus by November 15.

Hey, first rule of non-politics is you don't discuss the non-politics rules in the in the non-political thread!!!

 

[local]

Just got stabbed, waiting for reactions now. I will document my demise here in a non-political-ish way.

Stabbing guy remembered to take the paperwork that's says which version I received, damn.

 

[K1052]

Just got stabbed, waiting for reactions now. I will document my demise here in a non-political-ish way.

Stabbing guy remembered to take the paperwork that's says which version I received, damn.

Here's hoping you got the good stuff.

 

[Muse]

Just got stabbed, waiting for reactions now. I will document my demise here in a non-political-ish way.

Stabbing guy remembered to take the paperwork that's says which version I received, damn.

Here's hoping you got the good stuff.

Did the paperwork have Donald J. Trump on it like my relief check?

 

[Mai72]

On Dr Osterholm's podcast show this week he talks about Long-Haulers. These are people who beat COVID19 but are now having long term health issues, like difficulty breathing.

BTW, it's more common than we think. Check it out on YouTube.

 

[CZroe]

Not exactly "chronic" but every time I get the flu I end up with a horrible cough for 2-3 months. Yes, several weeks after I have returned to work, everyone hears my cough and thinks I'm going to get them sick with flu. I'm reasonably sure a severe COVID-19 infection would do the exact same thing for me. I imagine there are a lot more people who are slow to recover just like me and at this point they could be mistaken for "long-haul" cases with chronic, lasting, impacts.

 

[Mai72]

Pastor skeptical of masks lands in the ICU.

An Idaho pastor skeptical of masks lands in the ICU for Covid-19 | CNN

A pastor in Idaho who called himself a "no-masker" during a service and repeatedly questioned the veracity of coronavirus case reporting is in the ICU after contracting Covid-19.

www.cnn.com

 

[local]

Did the paperwork have Donald J. Trump on it like my relief check?

No, much like this thread should be my paperwork is non-political.



I also recieved an actual full blown nasal swab test kit for me to use if I feel like I caught covid. Comes with a special UPS number to call and they will come pick it up immediately.

 

[Spacehead]

Not exactly "chronic" but every time I get the flu I end up with a horrible cough for 2-3 months. Yes, several weeks after I have returned to work, everyone hears my cough and thinks I'm going to get them sick with flu. I'm reasonably sure a severe COVID-19 infection would do the exact same thing for me. I imagine there are a lot more people who are slow to recover just like me and at this point they could be mistaken for "long-haul" cases with chronic, lasting, impacts.

Over the last couple of years it seems like cold & the milder of the flu symptoms linger way longer than they used to in people i'm around. Maybe because the people i hang with are getting older?

 

[K1052]

No, much like this thread should be my paperwork is non-political.



I also recieved an actual full blown nasal swab test kit for me to use if I feel like I caught covid. Comes with a special UPS number to call and they will come pick it up immediately.

This is fascinating detail. I wondered if they were doing something like this. The sooner they can show infections in the placebo arm but not the vaccine arm the sooner we can start using this stuff.

 

[local]

This is fascinating detail. I wondered if they were doing something like this. The sooner they can show infections in the placebo arm but not the vaccine arm the sooner we can start using this stuff.

That is the idea. I am starting to feel a bit crap but it is hard to tell if this is normal end of work day beatdown or something else.

Also of note the study is no longer double blind because apparently the person applying the vaccine can tell the difference between the real stuff and the saline.