NON_POLITICAL China Coronavirus THREAD

[Svnla]

Nobody else seems to care about Muse's Trump-bashing, and most here are deliberately avoiding politics to keep the thread on topic. You keep calling Muse out by name as if you're the rules police. Just report to the moderators if you find Muse's rule-breaking so repetitive. The mods can decide if he deserves a penalty.

You miss my point; sometime this summer you referenced something Muse said months prior which he didn't specifically recall. WTF do you care so much what Muse says about Trump? Maybe you could ignore Muse's posts if they are so offensive to you? That's a forum feature we all have access to.


The fact that you link random news articles and then reference Muse's bashing of Trump is itself political. Readers would logically infer that you're comparing Australia's travel restrictions to the Trump admin's actions in some fashion. So IMO, you're being a hypocrite for calling out somebody else for injecting politics. I personally don't care which party or candidate you support.

So you have NOTHING to back up your allegations about me such as MAGA, by citing my OWN statements as I did with muse statements? Nothing at all? Nothing about your statement "months back.." (as if he stopped months ago) and ".....for no apparent reason" (as if I have a personal bone to pick with him for no reason whatsoever) and yet I was able to provide muse own statement just a few days ago and if you want to, I can provide even more. Funny how you FORGOT to mention that. And now you say you don't care about which party I support but you have the nerve to say MAGA to me in your previous post? Seriously? Need a bigger paddle to back track that boat? LOL.

He was making political statements over and over again at will in this thread, why can't I do it once or twice? And you have a problem with that? And since when you are his personal protector? What is good for the goose is good for the gander, right? You were saying something about HYPOCRITE? That's rich.

Yup. When can't provide facts and evidences, pull out the name calling and insults.Color me shock. Not!!!

Don't bother to reply unless you can cite my own statements to support your previous allegations. That's how to debate. You make assertion(s) and then back them up with evidences and facts, not unfounded allegations. Oh, since when providing posts in full context to support assertion = stalking as you claimed? New rule of debate from you, eh? What do you call throwing out unfounded allegations with zero evidences or facts to back them up? Asking for a friend.

In the meanwhile, I will try on different MAGA hats with my white robe. Do you think they make my butt looks too big?....Must. Stop. Laughing. Too. Hard.

 

[Spacehead]

I've meant to say this before but just never have in regards to arguing back & forth.

Can you take it to PM please?

Also this:

Just report to the moderators if you find Muse's rule-breaking so repetitive. The mods can decide if he deserves a penalty.

Again, i've just never pulled the trigger on reporting to the mods but i sure have considered it a lot of times. And that's not aimed solely at Muse. There's been several back-&-forths in this thread.

 

[K1052]

Pfizer looking pretty far along in the 30K trial. 29K enrolled and 12K have had second doses of vaccine.

https://news.yahoo.com/pfizer-says-stage-coronavirus-vaccine-180625294.html


If they've got no serious adverse events this far in that's a good sign.

 

[manly]

So you have NOTHING to back up your allegations about me such as MAGA, by citing my OWN statements as I did with muse statements? Nothing at all? Nothing about your statement "months back.." (as if he stopped months ago) and ".....for no apparent reason" (as if I have a personal bone to pick with him for no reason whatsoever) and yet I was able to provide muse own statement just a few days ago and if you want to, I can provide even more. Funny how you FORGOT to mention that. And now you say you don't care about which party I support but you have the nerve to say MAGA to me in your previous post? Seriously? Need a bigger paddle to back track that boat? LOL.

He was making political statements over and over again at will in this thread, why can't I do it once or twice? And you have a problem with that? And since when you are his personal protector? What is good for the goose is good for the gander, right? You were saying something about HYPOCRITE? That's rich.

Yup. When can't provide facts and evidences, pull out the name calling and insults.Color me shock. Not!!!

Don't bother to reply unless you can cite my own statements to support your previous allegations. That's how to debate. You make assertion(s) and then back them up with evidences and facts, not unfounded allegations. Oh, since when providing posts in full context to support assertion = stalking as you claimed? New rule of debate from you, eh? What do you call throwing out unfounded allegations with zero evidences or facts to back them up? Asking for a friend.

In the meanwhile, I will try on different MAGA hats with my white robe. Do you think they make my butt looks too big?....Must. Stop. Laughing. Too. Hard.

Most of us just don't care enough to dig up old posts to show off our e-peen.

Muse is not my buddy, nor am I defending him. It's funny last time you said rules should apply to all ("Full stop"); this time you said if Muse flouts the rules, you should be able to once or twice. Which is it? How is that not hypocritical?

Obviously my quip about MAGA was just that, and no more. If it doesn't apply to you, then there's nothing else to say. For the record, one doesn't need to be explicitly pro- or against a candidate to be political in this thread. If you find Muse to be over the top, repeatedly, then report him. I suppose he'll continue to Trump-bash and you'll continue to be triggered by it and call him out. So be it, but it's inane to post an article about Australia's return to home nightmares and then sarcastically suggest Muse would blame POTUS for that.

I don't read or remember every post by Muse, so I'm not keeping score of all of his thread rule-breaking. I'll leave that to you and I'm sure you'll insist on having the last word too.

 

[Svnla]

Most of us just don't care enough to dig up old posts to show off our e-peen.

Muse is not my buddy, nor am I defending him. It's funny last time you said rules should apply to all ("Full stop"); this time you said if Muse flouts the rules, you should be able to once or twice. Which is it? How is that not hypocritical?

Obviously my quip about MAGA was just that, and no more. If it doesn't apply to you, then there's nothing else to say. For the record, one doesn't need to be explicitly pro- or against a candidate to be political in this thread. If you find Muse to be over the top, repeatedly, then report him. I suppose he'll continue to Trump-bash and you'll continue to be triggered by it and call him out. So be it, but it's inane to post an article about Australia's return to home nightmares and then sarcastically suggest Muse would blame POTUS for that.

I don't read or remember every post by Muse, so I'm not keeping score of all of his thread rule-breaking. I'll leave that to you and I'm sure you'll insist on having the last word too.

You obviously can't read very well so let me repeat what I said again.

Don't bother to reply unless you can cite my own statements to support your previous allegations. That's how to debate. You make assertion(s) and then back them up with evidences and facts, not unfounded allegations

Why don't you do that and send me a PM or two and we will take it from there. How about that? Do as Spacehead said above and take it in private. Put up or shut up.

 

[purbeast0]

I started going back to my gym this week. I'm going at off times in the middle of the day to break up my work day and it's been pretty empty. Masks are required and people are keeping distances. I got one of those Under Armour masks today to use while working out because the Adidas ones I have while nice to wear in general, when working out they get wet and start sticking to my mouth and nose if I breathe in heavy. The UA one stays off your face so that won't be an issue.

 

[ponyo]

I signed up my daughter for remote learning for rest of this year. Our county is going back to full time face to face learning next month but I rather not risk it for her.

 

[IronWing]

Great example was the great recession: You have all kinds of people with all different kinds of degrees, masters, doctorates with accounting, economics, finances, etc... looking at those finances, reportings, constantly....and no one was able to tell what was going on and just presumed it was all normal. Until it wasn't. It was called out ahead of the bust by a SELECT 1-3 people last I heard.

This is simply not true. Plenty of people, both in the banking sector and out, knew the bubble was a bubble long before it collapsed. The only thing the banksters got wrong was they thought the government was going to bail them out right away instead of letting a few of the bastards drown before rescuing the rest. The folks blowing the bubble were simply greedy enough to keep blowing it up long after they knew what it was. It was the greater fool theory written large.

 

[Muse]

I don't read or remember every post by Muse, so I'm not keeping score of all of his thread rule-breaking. I'll leave that to you and I'm sure you'll insist on having the last word too.

Just wanna say. There are rules and then there are rules. Forum rules are one thing. An OP by some member who says, OK this is the deal with this thread, this is MY RULE, so here goes, here's the thread... That's a different matter. If someone breaks that rule, going to the mods and looking for retribution, enforcement, whatever, would seem unreasonable. Why should they enforce some rule that a random member declares in his OP? I mean, this is Simon Says or some shit?

Edit: OK, I just went to the OP, posted by Ponyo. Pasted at the bottom Perknose, supreme moderator says "obey" the amended title. OK, I'll try to be a good boy and at least pretend to not be concerned with the politics of this 100 year pandemic, by far the worst, most challenging security concern of the current administration and save my concerns for such things for other threads.

And if it's Trump bashing that scares you, fear this thread (Scientific American on its editorial page does it way way better than I could):

Scientific American makes its first ever endorsement for the presidency

Saw Trump last night on TV telling scientists that they don't know WTF they're talking about concerning climate change. Says "it will get colder." Says the science is wrong with a goofy smile on his face. I'm WTF. Well, he knows his base. Am reading Carl Sagan's "The Demon-Haunted World" and...

forums.anandtech.com

 

[K1052]

A decent start for antibody therapy

https://twitter.com/x/status/1306183254400217088

 

[darkswordsman17]

Dr. Li-Meng Yan has been claiming that the virus was synthetically manipulated in a lab since the beginning of the pandemic, but all of her accusations have been refuted and are not verifiable. Apparently she just published a new paper she co-authored, which she claims is evidence for her accusations.

I haven't had time to read through this yet. Anyone already come across this? Is this just more bogus claims?

Unusual Features of the SARS-CoV-2 Genome Suggesting Sophisticated Laboratory Modification Rather Than Natural Evolution and Delineation of Its Probable Synthetic Route

China could come out and admit they deliberately weaponized it and were targeting the US. It wouldn't matter because Turmp's complete and total malfeasance in handling this is why America is in the position it is in. His handling of this should be viewed as a national security issue and his actions could be potentially treasonous since he lied about what he knew while evidence has shown he 100% knew how much impact it would have and deliberately tried to screw up the country handling it.

(Not saying you're doing the latter, just that it apparently has been a major point recently in this thread.)

People crying about political issues can eat shit if they have a problem admitting that Turmp is mostly responsible for the almost 200k deaths the US has had. Bitching about political discussion when it literally requires political input (and that has been the key factor in how bad it has been) is dumb as shit.

COVID is political because you dumbfucks fucked up politics, making the political system mishandle a non-political issue because of politics. So if you wanna fucking complain about politics, then realize who actually did that (Turmp and Republicans) and understand your role in that happening (voting for them). Got a problem with that? Then go have a talk to yourself in the mirror.

I really don't think this is a good comparison. Few people saw the subprime crisis coming because of the opacity, intentional in many cases, of the financial system it thrived in and products that drove it. The opposite is true of science like this because there are few if any places to hide if you're bullshitting.

I don't agree, I think they actually are sadly far too similar. Enron and the dotcom bubble were big precursors to the 2008 financial crisis. SARS and MERS were similar for COVID. I think the opacity is in the health care system, not science. You're gonna have a hard time convincing me its not every bit as opaque, deliberately so, as the financial world is/was. There's a lot of other similar behavior as well, but I don't really wanna get into all that shit though.

Until I hear reputable scientists in the EU and US agreeing this thing was lab made I will maintain high skepticism.



Edit: ah

https://twitter.com/x/status/1305743494913245184

After their attempt at trotting out that doctor with clear issues failed, I guess they figured they'd go back to trying to muddy up the science itself.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Until I hear reputable scientists in the EU and US agreeing this thing was lab made I will maintain high skepticism.



Edit: ah

https://twitter.com/x/status/1305743494913245184

So it is indeed bogus. Thank you.

China could come out and admit they deliberately weaponized it and were targeting the US. It wouldn't matter because Turmp's complete and total malfeasance in handling this is why America is in the position it is in. His handling of this should be viewed as a national security issue and his actions could be potentially treasonous since he lied about what he knew while evidence has shown he 100% knew how much impact it would have and deliberately tried to screw up the country handling it.

(Not saying you're doing the latter, just that it apparently has been a major point recently in this thread.)

People crying about political issues can eat shit if they have a problem admitting that Turmp is mostly responsible for the almost 200k deaths the US has had. Bitching about political discussion when it literally requires political input (and that has been the key factor in how bad it has been) is dumb as shit.

COVID is political because you dumbfucks fucked up politics, making the political system mishandle a non-political issue because of politics. So if you wanna fucking complain about politics, then realize who actually did that (Turmp and Republicans) and understand your role in that happening (voting for them). Got a problem with that? Then go have a talk to yourself in the mirror.

I thought this was a non-political thread. Why is everyone talking about Trump?

 

[K1052]

Pfizer/BioNTech reaches full enrollment of initial 30K phase 3 trial.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1306229177734115329

 

[purbeast0]

Just worked out with my Under Armour mask. It's better than the Adidas ones for sure. It still does "cave in" a bit when I am breathing heavy and while it doesn't completely stick to your mouth, it definitely tries. It's better than the Adidas one by far though.

It feels a bit small vertically. Like I wish it hugged my chin a bit more on the bottom of my chin like the Adidas one. Because of this I notice it sliding down slightly on my nose if I'm making faces while lifting. It never slide off my nose exposing my nostrils completely or anything, but it felt like it could have.

I also wish the wire in the nose piece area held better. Mine definitely doesn't seem to be bending as much as I'd like to hold the curvature around my nose.

All of these issues I didn't really notice though until the mask was basically saturated in sweat. And these are pretty minor issues overall I liked it. I do think that for $30 that the price is stupid expensive, especially since I got 3 of the Adidas ones for like $18 or something. These should be like $10 max for one. They know what they are doing though because while I was in the store yesterday 3 people came in asking for them and bought them. But that is just the UA tax I guess.

 

[K1052]

Just worked out with my Under Armour mask. It's better than the Adidas ones for sure. It still does "cave in" a bit when I am breathing heavy and while it doesn't completely stick to your mouth, it definitely tries. It's better than the Adidas one by far though.

It feels a bit small vertically. Like I wish it hugged my chin a bit more on the bottom of my chin like the Adidas one. Because of this I notice it sliding down slightly on my nose if I'm making faces while lifting. It never slide off my nose exposing my nostrils completely or anything, but it felt like it could have.

I also wish the wire in the nose piece area held better. Mine definitely doesn't seem to be bending as much as I'd like to hold the curvature around my nose.

All of these issues I didn't really notice though until the mask was basically saturated in sweat. And these are pretty minor issues overall I liked it. I do think that for $30 that the price is stupid expensive, especially since I got 3 of the Adidas ones for like $18 or something. These should be like $10 max for one. They know what they are doing though because while I was in the store yesterday 3 people came in asking for them and bought them. But that is just the UA tax I guess.

I'm going to have to check these out. I've tried working out in a few different kinds of masks and not really satisfied with any of them.

 

[purbeast0]

I'm going to have to check these out. I've tried working out in a few different kinds of masks and not really satisfied with any of them.

I've only tried working out in the Adidas ones and then this one.

The UA one holds its shape well off of your face.

 

[K1052]

Half listening to this Senate testimony sounds like they generally agree that limited use before end 2020 is realistic with high volume production ramping into Jan/Feb but actually sticking everybody with two doses of vaccine could take until Late Q2 or into Q3 depending on how things go.

My guess that as a healthy white male under 40 I wouldn't see a needle until at least March/April at the earliest would seem to be in line with what's being said.

 

[thestrangebrew1]

I've only tried working out in the Adidas ones and then this one.

The UA one holds its shape well off of your face.

You have a link to the one you're using?

 

[thestrangebrew1]

I signed up my daughter for remote learning for rest of this year. Our county is going back to full time face to face learning next month but I rather not risk it for her.

Wife and I had this conversation yesterday morning. Our school got the waiver approved by the state to open k-5 to in-person learning. I *think* we're going to go back on a hybrid model. My wife's a teacher and my daughter is in 5th grade so it's kind of a lose-lose for me. Either my wife will bring it home or my daughter will. Most likely the wife since she'll be in-person all week (except maybe Fridays?). We have the option of keeping the kid at home, but I think some interaction with her peers will be good for her. We'll see how it goes.

 

[purbeast0]

You have a link to the one you're using?

Adidas - https://www.adidas.com/us/face-covers-m-l-3-pack/H08837.html

Under Armour - https://www.underarmour.com/en-us/p/ua-sportsmask/1368010.html

I don't know why those stock photos of the UA one look kind of gray. It's not gray at all it is just black. There is a pic of it on a girl and that is how it looks in person.

 

[ponyo]

Wife and I had this conversation yesterday morning. Our school got the waiver approved by the state to open k-5 to in-person learning. I *think* we're going to go back on a hybrid model. My wife's a teacher and my daughter is in 5th grade so it's kind of a lose-lose for me. Either my wife will bring it home or my daughter will. Most likely the wife since she'll be in-person all week (except maybe Fridays?). We have the option of keeping the kid at home, but I think some interaction with her peers will be good for her. We'll see how it goes.

5th grader is tough. I think the younger kids need face to face in person learning. My daughter is a senior in 12th grade. This year is just formality before college. We're not losing much by keeping her home.

 

[thestrangebrew1]

5th grader is tough. I think the younger kids need face to face in person learning. My daughter is a senior in 12th grade. This year is just formality before college. We're not losing much by keeping her home.

Yea the wife is a 1st grade teacher so she's kinda glad she'll be able to teach in person. But at the same time I know she's stressed about the whole thing because I'm diabetic. My daughter is doing fine academically right now, and we've allowed a little more screen time so she can facetime her friends a little longer, but obvisouly it's not the same. A few days in-person would be good for her I think.

 

[local]

Pfizer/BioNTech reaches full enrollment of initial 30K phase 3 trial.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1306229177734115329

I finally got the call, I get poked tomorrow. At least now if I do or do not get COVID it will actually have a positive impact.

 

[Spacehead]

@local
Good luck to ya, & thanks!

Saw this on the news yesterday. Is this a new type of treatment?
UPMC doctors tout ’breakthrough’ COVID-19 drug which could prove valuable if vaccine fails
Hasn't gotten to human trials yet, only animals

Ab8
They said their potential treatment, called Ab8, is different than a vaccine, in that a vaccine triggers creation of antibodies which ward off a disease. Ab8, they said, is an actual antibody that potentially will help people recover from COVID-19 and also protect people who don’t have it from getting infected.

 

[Muse]

I know I'm preaching to the choir here but I think stating this still provides some clarity concerning our situation:

Vaccines will help. If they don't it's gonna be a bitch. Vaccines will contribute to herd immunity. Vaccines by themselves, if not highly effective (and apparently they aren't expected to be highly effective), will only protect you partially. IOW, if I get vaccinated and it prevents me from getting the virus 60%, I still stand a good chance of getting sick the way things stand. But if enough people get vaccinated, the spread is gonna slow dramatically. The R0 factor (the number of people infected by each person who contracts the virus) will go way down and the pandemic will be stanched. Then my chances of getting the virus become low. Not so much because I'm vaccinated (although that helps) but because the virus won't be around much.

Given these facts, if you have risk factors in particular, you should still be thoughtful and careful after getting vaccinated. As herd immunity builds (by virtue of vaccinations and immunity conferred to the populace who have survived infection) it won't be as necessary to take precautions. Hope all this makes good sense.