That and China has a bit of a... *ahem* much more obedient culture for obvious reasons.
Forcing people to get tested even when they have no desire to doesn't sound exactly easy.
That and China has a bit of a... *ahem* much more obedient culture for obvious reasons.
Forcing people to get tested even when they have no desire to doesn't sound exactly easy.
Brainonska511
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You don't need to use the antibody tests. You could pool samples for the standard RT-PCR assay to screen for active cases. Batches that come back positive can then be screened at an individual level
Realistically, we would likely never have enough testing to randomly test the population, but we could build it up enough to pair testing with rigorous contact tracing. The amount of testing needed to support that regime is certainly possible, as it's far below the amount needed for random testing, and it would support reopening - much like the model SK has followed.
Svnla
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I had one last night. One side is in English, the other side is in Spanish. At the beginning, I was like "oh crap, what did I do now to get a letter from the fearsome agency?".
Muse
Lifer
- Jul 11, 2001
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I just received and tried out an oximeter. Article in the NY Times by a pretty young staff member who struggled to survive and did, explained that she was advising all family and friends to have access to one just in case. If you get sick and your SPO2 level falls suddenly, it's time to at the very least contact your medical support if not rush to a hospital. I did some homework and settled on the Contec CMS50DL, which was tested by a government agency in 2016, compared to several others and ranked highly in accuracy, was one of 3 that met the +-3% accuracy criteria down to 70% saturation.
www.nytimes.com
Opinion | ‘I Wish I Could Do Something for You,’ My Doctor Said (Published 2020)
Young, healthy people like me are getting very, very sick from the disease caused by the coronavirus.
Red Squirrel
No Lifer
Still doing well in my region. Unfortunately it only takes one dufus who decides to travel that can change that. They really need to put more restrictions like I said earlier. We could practically go back to normal here if they did that. Maybe ramp up testing too to be extra safe.
www.porcupinehu.on.ca
Porcupine Health Unit - COVID-19
ultimatebob
Lifer
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Still doing well in my region. Unfortunately it only takes one dufus who decides to travel that can change that. They really need to put more restrictions like I said earlier. We could practically go back to normal here if they did that. Maybe ramp up testing too to be extra safe.
Porcupine Health Unit - COVID-19
I think that the real test will be when the school season is over and families go on vacation. That's when the COVID plagued New Yorkers will leave their apartments and travel all over the country, bringing their virus particles with them.
Still doing well in my region. Unfortunately it only takes one dufus who decides to travel that can change that. They really need to put more restrictions like I said earlier. We could practically go back to normal here if they did that. Maybe ramp up testing too to be extra safe.
Porcupine Health Unit - COVID-19
How is increasing restrictions and forbidding travel "going back to normal"? I didn't realize Canadian law was that draconian prior to Corona Virus.
lol let's make wearing masks fashionable! How about it guiz, a $150 designer mask? Whatcha think?
Red Squirrel
No Lifer
You could go back to normal locally and that's what matters the most. Businesses could start back up again, people could have BBQs, go to their cottage, camp on crown land etc. This is a large region, there is more than enough to do without leaving it. Most of the cases are in the GTA, let them deal with it, don't let them bring it here or let people go there and bring it back.
Svnla
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Interesting read about what this virus could to to the US and other countries' economy (present and future) -
marker.medium.com
Our Economy Was Just Blasted Years Into the Future
The crisis is compressing and accelerating trends that would have taken decades to play out
marker.medium.com
Interesting read about what this virus could to to the US and other countries' economy (present and future) -
Our Economy Was Just Blasted Years Into the Future
The crisis is compressing and accelerating trends that would have taken decades to play out
Sounds interesting, but.... I don't see an answer for the airline industry. No amount of "touch screens" instead of personal human contact will get away from the fact that you are literally butt-to-butt touching one-another inside a commercial airline.
Also - we are what we are... lazy americans. So when things like Ubereats comes around, it naturally takes off. The problem is that there is nothing inherently more healthy about that. It's just someone handing it off to someone else before dropping it in front of you.
I mean... I guess the more notable way of saying it is that instead of consumers buying the consumables directly, they instead pay a service to get the consumables for them.... as we get fatter and fatter. Doesn't exactly sound like an amazing jump in technology.
Sorry for my rambling..
ultimatebob
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The OP already got his wife a $400 Hermes scarf to use as her face covering, so why not?
Muse
Lifer
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I been seeing a lot of fantastic masks on TV news. Yeah, since they said you're not supposed to wear N95 and similar, you're supposed to wear something else, and lots of people make their own or make a statement. What bothers me is when they wear them carelessly, and I see that all the time. But 98% of the time it's on TV, cause I'm stayin' home. There's a lot of covid around here right now, it's surging. I don't need to go out. I went to a mail box last week, that's the only time I've ventured out more than 100 feet since March. Wore my N95 from the wildfires. 3M 9210, fits so good it's amazing!
Svnla
Lifer
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Up to 50% of the tests for the virus is wrong? Not good -
www.cnn.com
Antibody tests for Covid-19 wrong up to half the time, CDC says | CNN
Antibody tests used to determine if people have been infected in the past with Covid-19 might be wrong up to half the time, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in new guidance posted on its website.
K1052
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Up to 50% of the tests for the virus is wrong? Not good -
Antibody tests for Covid-19 wrong up to half the time, CDC says | CNN
Antibody tests used to determine if people have been infected in the past with Covid-19 might be wrong up to half the time, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in new guidance posted on its website.
Antibody tests due to low prevalence. Not tests for active infection.
Up to 50% of the tests for the virus is wrong? Not good -
Antibody tests for Covid-19 wrong up to half the time, CDC says | CNN
Antibody tests used to determine if people have been infected in the past with Covid-19 might be wrong up to half the time, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in new guidance posted on its website.
I went to my doctor and asked about an antibody test about a week ago and that's pretty much what she said... Basically saying don't do it now, the tests are shit.
Svnla
Lifer
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Even with vaccine, the darn virus may not go away for good -
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/c...ay-even-with-a-vaccine/ar-BB14GlDs?li=BBnb7Kz
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/c...ay-even-with-a-vaccine/ar-BB14GlDs?li=BBnb7Kz
Are you telling me there are virus' that don't immediately die and can potentially massively mutate?!
Wherever have we seen this?
Wherever have we seen this?
local
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Damn that was a really really alarmist article. This will end and it will not end with the abysmal future shown in that article. That is the future of a locked down non-immune population. It reads like something out of the 80's freaking out about AIDS killing everyone.
The lead vaccine right now does not kill the virus and it does not prevent you from catching it but it does basically turn it into a cold by priming your immune system. Since you can still get it and spread it then of course the virus never goes away. That vaccine will be released before October I am guessing unless it starts turning people into zombies or something. And the doses of vaccine will be massively increased due to pressure to make it. I don't buy that it will take several years to inoculate the world. I'm pretty sure we will never do that anyway.
Also I read an interesting study yesterday that 40-60% of people may already have an immune response based on testing several year old blood samples. The thought is at least one of the coronavirus colds primes your system for this, it could help explain the relative lack of serious kid illness. It could also be that roughly 50% already immune responsive combined with the nearly universal infection drop off at about 20% of a population being infected could be the 70% herd immunity showing up.
thestrangebrew1
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It's official. Back to work for me by at least 6/15. I can WFH or stagger going into the office for the next few weeks just to get accustomed to the office life again but we're up and running and open to the public by the 15th. I'm on a "committee" to figure out how that's going to look like in terms of public interaction. We share our front counter with another division, so it'll be pretty crazy. Our lobby between the 2 divisions is pretty small, and to maintain distancing we can really only have 3 people in there. We'll have to most likely make it appointment only for now, but we'll have to figure out a system that conveys this and then work on a way to queue customers as they wait. Maybe have them wait in their cars until we call them or something. It's going to be a cluster$%^& for sure haha.
Stopsignhank
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One word of advice when you go back to work and wear a mask. Bring a toothbrush. Not a lot of fun breathing your own recycled coffee breath.
thestrangebrew1
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Yea that sounds freakin gross lol. We're not even required to wear one. I'm still up in the air on it. Maybe when I have to deal with the public I'll put 1 on, but otherwise when I'm in my cube I'll just take it off.
K1052
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This is the Oxford viral vector vaccine. They only gave one dose to the macaques so drawing too many conclusions about the protective nature in humans in real word situations who will almost certainly receive two is not really advisable. They wanted to see if the vaccine would produce neutralizing antibodies in the animals and prevent illness. Those animals were also challenged with a concentrated viral dose that you'd never actually get in the real world.
Red Squirrel
No Lifer
I'm not the only one pushing for regional re-open but seems the powers that be don't want to. Our premier does not want to.
Kinda sucks to be stuck in this lockdown because of the south when it's actually safe here now. Covid is now a south problem, let them deal with it, let the rest of us go back to normal, just make travel restrictions so no one can go down south and they can't come here.
The lock down was 100% needed, and it's served it's purpose now, it needs to be more selective to only target the problem areas.
Kinda sucks to be stuck in this lockdown because of the south when it's actually safe here now. Covid is now a south problem, let them deal with it, let the rest of us go back to normal, just make travel restrictions so no one can go down south and they can't come here.
The lock down was 100% needed, and it's served it's purpose now, it needs to be more selective to only target the problem areas.
You're right and wrong about this stuff. I agree that a Canadian province is a pretty large area to conform to a single public health policy, so local conditions should be used to make regional decisions.
OTOH cordon sanitaire (i.e. Lombardy lockdown or worse, a Hubei lockdown) is the most extreme tool used to fight an epidemic. What you suggest may sound logical, but is employed only as a last resort. Do you really want highway patrol to seal off all entry and exit to your regional area? Will commercial flights be grounded? Now your police force will not only prevent the movement of people at checkpoints, but must still allow goods/cargo to flow freely.
So the idea of strictly restricting travel and letting the south "deal with it" opens up other problems. In a weird way, you're simultaneously asking for more lockdown (at regional borders) and less lockdown (within communities). Hopefully your premier comes to a sensible solution soon that allows your communities to move forward.
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