- Jan 4, 2013
Seeing as AMD once had CPUs that bettered Intel's, the statement is rather puzzling. Maybe most of the intended audience is unaware of that history.
You have to admit that AMD has a formidable challenge to basically leapfrog the performance of several generations of its competition's CPUs. Even many who wish AMD to succeed are justifiably skeptical. Personally I hope they knock it out of the park, it would be a real gas to have an AMD system again like I did all through the early to mid 2000's.Yeah, the anti hype killed it. Im done.
Just being several nodes ahead of when BD was introduced is a running start. Not to mention, knowing what they screwed up with that design.You have to admit that AMD has a formidable challenge to basically leapfrog the performance of several generations of its competition's CPUs. Even many who wish AMD to succeed are justifiably skeptical. Personally I hope they knock it out of the park, it would be a real gas to have an AMD system again like I did all through the early to mid 2000's.
Well, that depends on price. Lets look at some numbers (speculative of course). Say Zen has 8 cores at a 25% single thread deficit (considering both ipc and overclocking) to BW-E/Skylake-E. That is equivalent to 6 core Intel in MT. Now if AMD provides intel hex core performance at 300.00, then obviously, it is an attractive buy, if one can use all the cores. However, I totally disagree with the AMD fans that think they will price Zen this way. If zen is competitive with hex core intel, which is what I expect actually, slightly better in multi and lower in ST, I expect the price to be close to the 5820k or whatever the equivalent intel chip is at the time. Actually, for most users, I still think 8 cores is somewhat overkill. For a heavy user, I think hex core with high per core performance is still the sweet spot.How isn't Zen relevant?
I don't care if it's faster than Skylake or whatever on a per core basis. It's already faster than what's out now in the FX lineup which is fast enough for gaming.
It's not like gaming CPU requirements are going up. So then that leaves core count....
So Zen is already 6-8 cores.
Intel would need to boost its next line to at LEAST 6 cores to be competitive. 8 cores 16 threads is quite interesting...
There's no way I get a 4 core/8 thread intel CPU over an 8 core 16 thread AMD CPU if AMD has over sandy/ivybridge performance or even on par with that with updated instructions. At that point, I want the extra cores. I can literally have 2 PCs through VM with the AMD solution which is very attractive to me.
If you dont mind let s use CB 11.5 rather than R15, this latter is a suspicious update that saw AMD chips losing 10% in respect of 11.5 when compared to Intel CPUs, it s enough that CB is Intel optimised so we wont add another "optimisation" over one that already brought 15-18% advantage to Intel in respect of CB R10 scores...I'm not suggesting anything. I'm just interpreting the data AMD themselves has provided.
AMD themselves say 40% more IPC over Excavator core. They also say that Excavator based Carrizo for example has four cores. So based on this, what exactly indicates that Zen core would have higher performance than a Excavator compute unit (two cores, according to AMD).
I've blathered on about this particular subject too much already, but seriously, if AMD takes a core that is as wide as - if not wider than (fp) - an XV module, improves the cache subsystem, rebuilds/improves the front end, AND adds SMT on top so that the core can either split resources between one or two threads like an Intel CPU and yet somehow manages to produce less throughput per thread with the new core compared to an XV module, then AMD is beyond pathetic. Consider that a hypothetical 8m XV running @ 3.4 GHz should score anywhere from 1225-1376 assuming it uses cores identical to those in Carrizo, which it probably wouldn't (it would have L3, probably bigger L2, and maybe some other goodies, or maybe not).
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this thread should be closed now.
I, for one, am still interested in the subject of Zen's architecture. I would appreciate it if people would heed the moderator's notes.Yeah, the anti hype killed it. Im done.
AMD might talk about Zen at Computex on June 1st. They announced the launch of 7th gen APU (BR), info about Polaris and more.Anyone know the dates/events we are waiting on to get more information ?
Why do they say "Polaris updates"? Why not "Polaris Launch" like they do with 7th gen APUs?AMD might talk about Zen at Computex on June 1st. They announced the launch of 7th gen APU (BR), info about Polaris and more.