New Zen microarchitecture details

[CatMerc]

https://videocardz.com/65747/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x-and-1700-listed-online

Multiple websites are listing the same part number, so looks like these are legit. According to a reddit user, this specific store also listed X4 845 before launch, and he personally bought one from them.

The legitimacy of the site for actually buying stuff is legit as I bought Athlon X4 845 from them before, and they had Athlon X4 845 for pre-orders before it was officially announced.

If you google those skus they come up in another site's xml file. When you go to the UK site url listed it sure enough has the same sku with an expanded description. It looks like they have these as uncategorized right now, but I think it's too much of a coincidence that these exact skus match up.

http://www.kikatek.com/P893987/YD1700BBAEBOX-AMD-RYZEN-7-1700-3-7GHZ-8-CORE-65W?cPath=438

http://www.kikatek.com/P893986/YD170XBCAEWOF-AMD-RYZEN-7-1700X-3-8GHZ-8-CORE-SKT

http://www.kikatek.com/P893985/YD180XBCAEWOF-AMD-RYZEN-7-1800X-4-0GHZ-8-CORE-SKT

If this is true, then it goes like this:
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X - 95W TDP - 3.6/4.0 - 490$
AMD Ryzen 7 1700X - 95W TDP - 3,4/3.8 - 380$
AMD Ryzen 7 1700 - 65W TDP - ??/3.7 - 320$

^All are 8 cores


This is beyond my wildest dreams.

 

[Glo.]

https://videocardz.com/65747/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x-and-1700-listed-online

Multiple websites are listing the same part number, so looks like these are legit. According to a reddit user, this specific store also listed X4 845 before launch, and he personally bought one from them.

If this is true, then it goes like this:
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X - 95W TDP - 3.6/4.0 - 490$
AMD Ryzen 7 1700X - 95W TDP - 3,4/3.8 - 380$
AMD Ryzen 7 1700 - 65W TDP - ??/3.7 - 320$

^All are 8 cores


This is beyond my wildest dreams.

Add markup for the CPUs to the price, and you may get the end price for them .

However its actually mind blowing. 8C/16T CPU with 65W! Sixty Five! Most likely it is 3.4/3.7 GHz CPU. Which should be on par with 6900K, in performance.

 

[CatMerc]

Add markup for the CPUs to the price, and you may get the end price for them .

However its actually mind blowing. 8C/16T CPU with 65W! Sixty Five! Most likely it is 3.4/3.7 GHz CPU. Which should be on par with 6900K, in performance.

Naples is gonna have a field day in the server market with this kind of efficiency.

Also that's apparently the pre-order price, so that's after markup.

Edit: Nvm

 

[jpiniero]

If this is true, then it goes like this:
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X - 95W TDP - 3.6/4.0 - 490$
AMD Ryzen 7 1700X - 95W TDP - 3,4/3.8 - 380$
AMD Ryzen 7 1700 - 65W TDP - ??/3.7 - 320$

I think they are making a big mistake on this, given that most people are going to end up buying the quad or maybe the cheaper six core assuming they can clock comparatively. The amount of money they will make will not be much. It'll probably get Intel to release Skylake-X sooner too.

 

[Sven_eng]

You once 'calculated' 4GHz base 95W LAUNCH too... With 4.5GHz Turbo. Based on your FO4+Neon claims.

Say so a billion wrongs things and you're bound to get something right.

Sent from HTC 10
(Opinions are own)

Didn't you support Kanter who claimed a 3.2GHz base clock and "unknown" turbo? At least this bjt guy has balls enough to stick his neck out on turbo speeds.

If 3.6GHz base clock is true then Kanter is at least 12.5% out on his base clocks. If Zen launches at 4.0GHz turbo then bjt will also be 12.5% out on that with his 4.5GHz assumption. It would be smart to assume 3.6GHz is the very least and 4GHz too.

Yeah I'm aware that clocks don't scale that way esp with power, but consider how different the scenario is to what you all thought it would be even only 6 months ago.

 

[iBoMbY]

I think they are making a big mistake on this, given that most people are going to end up buying the quad or maybe the cheaper six core assuming they can clock comparatively. The amount of money they will make will not be much. It'll probably get Intel to release Skylake-X sooner too.

Why wouldn't they make any money? AMD makes money with every Ryzen CPU they sell, even the lowest priced ones. Each CPU probably doesn't cost them more than $25 manufacturing + $25 initial contribution fee, so they make about $450 profit from a CPU they sell for a $500 wholesale price, and still $50 for every CPU they sell for $100.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Why wouldn't they make any money? AMD makes money with every Ryzen CPU they sell, even the lowest priced ones. Each CPU probably doesn't cost them more than $25 manufacturing + $25 initial contribution fee, so they make about $450 profit from a CPU they sell for a $500 wholesale price, and still $50 for every CPU they sell for $100.

Yep. They'll make plenty. For Intel selling it at the price AMD is rumored to sell Ryzen may not be so attractive. But for AMD that people were talking about in parallel with bankruptcy, they'll make plenty of money. Also keep in mind pure cost of manufacturing a CPU is much under $50.

This is a repeat of the original Athlon in 1999. Athlon, did not have the absolute did Athlon 64s and successors did. But what Athlon showed the world was that Intel would have heck of a time for the next decade, and a company a fraction of the size just beat them. They may not get the desired marketshare with Ryzen, but in few years they might. In the Athlon 64/X2 days, AMD briefly reached 50% retail marketshare. All Intel's tactics failed against a decidedly superior product.

Because Intel seems to have significant problems both technical and internal, they are in a situation that's just as worse as they were in 1999, if not worse.

 

[MajinCry]

https://videocardz.com/65747/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x-and-1700-listed-online

Multiple websites are listing the same part number, so looks like these are legit. According to a reddit user, this specific store also listed X4 845 before launch, and he personally bought one from them.


If this is true, then it goes like this:
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X - 95W TDP - 3.6/4.0 - 490$
AMD Ryzen 7 1700X - 95W TDP - 3,4/3.8 - 380$
AMD Ryzen 7 1700 - 65W TDP - ??/3.7 - 320$

^All are 8 cores


This is beyond my wildest dreams.

Lambdatek has the same:

1800X - £477 https://www.lambda-tek.com/AMD-YD180XBCAEWOF~sh/B6920444
1700X - £371 https://www.lambda-tek.com/AMD-YD170XBCAEWOF~sh/B6920445
1700 - £308 https://www.lambda-tek.com/AMD-YD1700BBAEBOX~sh/B6920446

 

[RichUK]

Lambdatek has the same:

1800X - £477 https://www.lambda-tek.com/AMD-YD180XBCAEWOF~sh/B6920444
1700X - £371 https://www.lambda-tek.com/AMD-YD170XBCAEWOF~sh/B6920445
1700 - £308 https://www.lambda-tek.com/AMD-YD1700BBAEBOX~sh/B6920446

477 for the 1800x is extremely well priced!

If performance is decent, I might need to shift my 7700k.

 

[lolfail9001]

Hm, so an 8 core for 18k... Time to get back to my job, i am totally upgrading from 6400 htpc this summer

 

[.vodka]

...It would be smart to assume 3.6GHz is the very least and 4GHz too.

Yeah I'm aware that clocks don't scale that way esp with power, but consider how different the scenario is to what you all thought it would be even only 6 months ago.

You don't have to assume. 3.6GHz base, 3.9GHz turbo 8c16t Ryzen exists, this was around new years' eve. It's not far fetched to assume they've managed to squeeze another 100 or 200MHz out of base clocks these two months, as the whole thing gets tweaked and finalized.

Kanter's estimate was done on August last year. The landscape has changed a lot for the better this past half year. With the information available back then, I'd say it was spot on. It's no longer accurate.

Seeing how every model in the lineup is overclockable... that 1700 is sure looking to be a great buy. Wraith cooler is also at the level of an Hyper 212 evo, so that's a pretty decent stock heatsink, too. Hopefully there are some decent motherboards along the pricing set by these models to go with.

 

[moonbogg]

This is looking really good if any of this is true. The chips will be $600 and under and clock over 4ghz. There will be 6 core chips faster than my current 6 core chip and at around $200+. That's pretty crazy. I am hoping very much that the 1700 chip will be the big popular one where people can simply OC it and get full blown performance for $320 that beats Intel's $1200 chips. KARAZYY! Even if they can't match Intel's sky high clocks and overall IPC, the AMD chips will be good enough here to excel at any gaming task plus have 16 threads for everything else you might want to do. What a chip this would be. Good lord what an upset. I can't wait.
Also, SkylakeX coming early won't be an answer to this situation either, simply because I have full confidence that those chips will cost the same stupid $600-$1200 they current cost now. They won't even be in the picture for most buyers. Twice the cost? Not even worth considering for most people.

 

[lopri]

What is the difference between "X" and non-X? And "Pro" and non-Pro?

 

[raghu78]

Those prices mother of god.!!! Nightmare for Intel. Great for consumers. AMD is going to sell a lot of Ryzen and they have renegotiated WSA to make sure that they do not have supply issues. This kind of scenario has never been seen in history. Even when AMD had great products more than a decade back they were limited by fab capacity. That problem too has been resolved.

I think the big hurt is going to come from Naples. AMD's Ryzen chips are small at roughly 190 sq mm and clock very well. Its always easier to get small chips to yield well and clock well. I think we could easily see 2.8+ Ghz base clocks on a 45W SKU. Put four of these in MCM and you get a monster 32/64T chip at 2.8 Ghz and 180w. Intel's massive single die approach is going to find it difficult to hit such high clocks and more importantly yield as well as AMD's much smaller Zen die. I think AMD's Naples with Infinity Fabric could be every bit as disruptive as the original Hammer design.

 

[Doom2pro]

What is the difference between "X" and non-X? And "Pro" and non-Pro?

Apparently, X means without cooler. (Bring your own).

 

[.vodka]

If we go by the FX 9590...

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-FX-Series FX-9590.html

CPU part numbers

• FD9590FHW8KHK is an OEM/tray microprocessor
• FD9590FHHKWOF is a boxed processor without fan and heatsink
• FD9590FHHKWOX is a boxed processor with a liquid cooling kit

It seems 1700x and 1800x come without a cooler. Get it cooled as best as you can, let XFR do the work for you. I'm intrigued to see how that feature works, and how far it can take things when properly cooled.

 

[guskline]

Looks like sometime in mid to late summer I'm going to build a custom water cooled Ryzen 1800x rig.

 

[inf64]

I think the clocks listed are the boost clocks. Look at the listing for X4 845 on one of those sites, it is listed as 3.8Ghz chip and that is its boost clock. Still, Ryzen's boost will likely be much closer to the clock the chips will actually ran at Vs previous generations, which I think will be enough to justify this sort of marketing.

 

[Ajay]

Why wouldn't they make any money? AMD makes money with every Ryzen CPU they sell, even the lowest priced ones. Each CPU probably doesn't cost them more than $25 manufacturing + $25 initial contribution fee, so they make about $450 profit from a CPU they sell for a $500 wholesale price, and still $50 for every CPU they sell for $100.

We have no idea what AMD's actual costs will be. We don't know how many of each SKU (if those are real) AMD will sell. We don't know anything till the first quarter with Ryzen shipping - which I hope will be soon. All these rumors and guestimations are annoying.

 

[bakyt115]

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pc.watch
Implementation of AMD Zen CPU core revealed at ISSCC

 

[Abwx]

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ru&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/column/kaigai/1043349.html

pc.watch
Implementation of AMD Zen CPU core revealed at ISSCC

A BIG thanks, it was time that someone published more info from ISSCC...

 

[Rngwn]

Anyone knows so far if XFR could be turn on-off in BIOS setting? This might sound weird, but this could be important in research works. You would want the clock frequency to be relatively constant while you are benchmarking some new algorithms.

 

[Doom2pro]

This is good stuff! What a day, SKU, Price information and now this!

 

[majord]

Awesome. A die shot at last!

Wonder if the full document is floating about yet
looking at induvidual cores:

Zen core: 6.7mm2 incl 512kb L2

skylake core: 8.2mm2 incl 256KB L2

Broadwell Core: 6.7mm2 incl 256kb L2

 

[CentroX]

How much difference do the extra on die L2 cache do?