New allegatiions: Obama Birth Certificate Forged

[Pray To Jesus]

It's said to be a site of mostly fake news, there to make money by generating traffic.

You need to learn to separate the wheat from the chaff. It's obvious a lot of stuff on there is BS.

Information from primary sources are the best as far as news goes.

 

[sandorski]

lol

Did you ever see those Left Behind movies starring closet gay creationist Kirk Cameron? They're hilarious. Imagine that guy in the video making a movie about a charismatic leader who is the son of satan because people like him. The entire movie series can be summed up in this strange, awkward scene of Christians having a secret wedding (because religion is illegal under the evil charismatic leader).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDjs8TFv03E#t=731

btw did y'all know roughly 1/2 of the country thinks this way? And we have nuclear weapons. Scary, I know.

I clicked on a related youtube video and found this gem. Here's how Obama truthers see science:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEFlMHOz6jQ#t=318
Seriously, watch this link for about 2 minutes. Their version of a liberal tries to explain evolution. He has hipster glasses, earings, and stuff. It has Gary Busey!

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I can't stop surfing through this terrible Christian movie. Seriously, this is what schizophrenia looks like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEFlMHOz6jQ#t=2968
These are the people saying Obama is from Kenya. They make a movie where the premise is about being marked and tracked by the government. They seem to forget that everyone is already tracked by the government. You are your social security number.

Indeed.


Glory to Man

 

[piasabird]

What is most important is he was already accepted as a citizen by the courts on two elections. Unless you have real proof like eye witnesses at his birth, this is going nowhere. Innocent until proven guilty. Saying his birth certificate looks flaky isn't important when the state of Hawaii already verified he is a US Citizen by birth. The burden of proof is on his accuser now.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I believe all of the other stories on that website too!

 

[compuwiz1]

Did anyone actually see him come out of his mother, or was it an alien type delivery?

 

[trenchfoot]

Every time a birther wave passes through, Obama seems to ride that wave with more style and with more fans on the beach cheering him on.

And with him being in his final term in office, I wonder why this rotten corpse of a dead horse is once again being flogged in public at a time that would neither benefit Obama politically nor enhance the chances of any Repub looking to favorably position themselves for future high office.

Nothing else to do but follow the money trail on this one, imo.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

Found a different source that also say that it is a forgery. Hmmm.

http://www.science.co.il/Obama-Birth-Certificate.htm

 

[Pray To Jesus]

What is most important is he was already accepted as a citizen by the courts on two elections. Unless you have real proof like eye witnesses at his birth, this is going nowhere. Innocent until proven guilty. Saying his birth certificate looks flaky isn't important when the state of Hawaii already verified he is a US Citizen by birth. The burden of proof is on his accuser now.

That is a separate matter.

We're discussing the birth certificate and whether it is forged.

 

[who?]

Somebody may have done this without telling President Obama because they thought they could do him a favor.
A lot of states computerized their records before scanners were invented by having the pertinent data typed in and verifying the data that came out when a name and birth date was entered.Once this was done and an offsite backup was in place there wasn't any reason to keep physical certificates or copies of them.

 

[mpo]

What does Google have to do with anything? Can you follow anything?

One doesn't need to use OCR to merely to scan a copy of a document and prove its legit. You use OCR in order to make scanned text *manipulatable* in a format other its original form (like an eBook). This would be the exact OPPOSITE effect you want in proving the existence of an *original* document. Like I said, only a real bonehead would use that in this case, produce such a clearly shoddy document (and like I said, OCR doesn't account for anywhere near all the problems with it, so that's merely accepting that false premise because "Some guy on YouTube!" said so) and then present such a shoddy document without first looking at it and going, "Oh wait, this is really fucked up. Let me just scan it normally instead and present it right." Anyone of even average intelligence would have just done that to begin with, but of course expecting even *average* intelligence from the current administration is a stretch.

It's pretty amazing how people will just accept a really stupid explanation, provided by ultra-sketchy sources (some guy on YouTube selling a book said...!) that would at best show that this administration is just a bunch of inept clowns.

Which is why this is so dumb.

The Google comment shows that computers aren't perfect at performing OCR. Google uses output from OCR processes to test if you are human through the reCAPTCHA process.

The conspiracy is that the birth certificate is manipulated. That would be germane if the document came from some unknown place.

Instead, the White House scanned a document from Hawaii State Department of Health. They then posted a scan of the document on the WH web site.

Certain people claim that that the scanned document is fake.

Hawaii State Department of Health responds by saying, 'no, we normally are not allowed to do this. But, with permission of the birth certificate owner, we confirm that that image is his Hawaiian birth certificate. Please stop bugging us.'

How do we know that the certificate is 'real'? Because the issuing agency says it is real.

 

[Brainonska511]

That is a separate matter.

We're discussing the birth certificate and whether it is forged.

It doesn't look like there is much discussion about anything related to that. The primary discussion seems to be that you're a moron for falling for such nonsense.

 

[compuwiz1]

Another issue out there is his selective service registration card. I guess they're leaving no stones unturned.

Major media blackout....lol

http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-felony-fraud-proven/

 

[DominionSeraph]

You need to learn to separate the wheat from the chaff. It's obvious a lot of stuff on there is BS.

It's sad that you don't have the tools at your disposal to do so. You can't even bridge from, "A lot of the stuff on there is BS," to, "The remaining stuff might be BS that I'm too stupid to see."

 

[KMFJD]

http://www.mrconservative.com/2014/02/32199-breaking-confirmed-obama-birth-certificate-forged/

Whoa. I'm very surprised to see this.

holy jesus balls

 

[DominionSeraph]

Might as well change your name to "Pray to Conservative Propagandists," because it is they who have created the little world you live in.

 

[Victorian Gray]

You need to learn to separate the wheat from the chaff. It's obvious a lot of stuff on there is BS.

Information from primary sources are the best as far as news goes.

Can you get any more "primary" than this?

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”


http://health.hawaii.gov/vitalrecords/files/2013/05/08-93.pdf

 

[Pray To Jesus]

It doesn't look like there is much discussion about anything related to that. The primary discussion seems to be that you're a moron for falling for such nonsense.

How do you know that it's nonsense? What are you basing your belief on?

A lot of experts saying the PDF is forged. It can be both forged and contain accurate information.

Note that I never claim that Obama wasn't born as a US citizen. That's not the issue.


The issue is that whether the PDF is a digital forgery.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

That doesn't relate to the issue of whether the PDF is a digital forgery.

It is saying is that Obama has a birth certificate in the records.


That doesn't mean that the PDF is a scan of that certificate. The forgery can contain the same information as the original and still be a forgery.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

How do you know that it's nonsense? What are you basing your belief on?

A lot of experts saying the PDF is forged. It can be both forged and contain accurate information.

Note that I never said that Obama wasn't born as a US citizen. That's not the issue.

Have you bothered to look into how many say it's not?

 

[Zaap]

Which is why this is so dumb.

The Google comment shows that computers aren't perfect at performing OCR.

So you pick a technology that's purpose is pretty much the opposite of proving the authenticity of a document, and on top of it, computers aren't good at performing that unnecessary step in the first place. Basically, everything this administration touches is an exercise in dumb.

 

[Jaepheth]

Why?

Why are you trying to make Biden President of the US?

 

[Pray To Jesus]

Have you bothered to look into how many say it's not?

You can help out by giving me some links.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Quote: “Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.


That doesn't relate to the issue of whether the PDF is a digital forgery. It is saying is that Obama has a birth certificate in the records. That doesn't mean that the PDF is a scan of that certificate. The forgery can contain the same information but it is still forged.

So, you believe that there is a significant chance that the govt. of Hawaii gave Obama a copy of his original birth certificate and, for some unknown reason, he then proceeded to have a badly done forgery made.

He then released the badly done forgery to the public instead of the original.

And, the person, who had access to, saw, and confirmed this original certificate, saw the badly done forgery and just shrugged their shoulders and went huh!

Am I getting anything wrong here?

Yeah, I guess I can see how that could seems a pretty convincing chain of events.

btw, I particularly like the idea that the President of the United States is incapable of finding anyone competent enough to forge a document that apparently anyone with a computer and Foxit reader can determine is a forgery.

 

[Brainonska511]

You can help out by giving me some links.

Maybe you should go straight to the source, troll:

Hawaii Department of Vital Records: http://health.hawaii.gov/vitalrecords/faq-obama/

 

[alzan]

Posting in a PTJ birther thread

 

[fskimospy]

So, you believe that there is a significant chance that the govt. of Hawaii gave Obama a copy of his original birth certificate and, for some unknown reason, he then proceeded to have a badly done forgery made.

He then released the badly done forgery to the public instead of the original.

And, the person, who had access to, saw, and confirmed this original certificate, saw the badly done forgery and just shrugged their shoulders and went huh!

Am I getting anything wrong here?

Yeah, I guess I can see how that could seems a pretty convincing chain of events.

btw, I particularly like the idea that the President of the United States is incapable of finding anyone competent enough to forge a document that apparently anyone with a computer and Foxit reader can determine is a forgery.

When you put it down like that it really shows the incredible level of stupidity that someone would have to have in order to keep after this.

What's awesome is that for telling them this one of these clowns said that I was the irrational one.

Lol.