New allegatiions: Obama Birth Certificate Forged

[thraashman]

Birthers. Proof that stupid has no upper bound.

 

[Vic]

That's overly simplistic I believe. There are some people who can't accept a black in office, but a great many can't accept this negro in the White House and it's not because of race. I have inlaws with the "birther" inclination and it's entirely a matter of "bubble" not black. That I believe is more of a problem than race in a great many things associated with the accumulation information. They get the chain emails because they visit certain sites, their news is "customized" for them, and pretty much all they learn reinforces what they believe because why and how things are delivered are altered to their sensibilities. That's a huge problem and goes far far beyond "birthers".

That said the degree to which some people will go to "prove" a thing, like this, is only matched by the overwhelming need to believe it.

Agreed. There is a great deal of irresponsible journalism and inflammatory politicking involved here, catered to people who wish to see only what they already believe.

 

[Matt1970]

Remember folks, if you are successful in getting Obama kicked out of office, Biden takes his place. From dumb to dumber.

 

[schmuckley]

Remember folks, if you are successful in getting Obama kicked out of office, Biden takes his place. From dumb to dumber.

Wrong:Obama is quite intelligent and clever.
More like:From intelligent man whose goal is to undermine the US-to derp who will not harm anything;even if he tries. :whiste:
Vote for Derp!

 

[waggy]

IF it was fake it would have been proven years ago.

 

[Zaap]

Disclaimer: I personally believe Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961 as claimed. I've seen no evidence to the contrary. The definitive proof for me is that people have found newspaper reports of his birth from 1961, and it's insanity to believe these could have been faked in preparation for Obama's "guarantee" of being elected president 47 years later. So yes, he was born in Hawaii in '61, he's a US citizen, story over.


Now- completely separate issue: The document at whitehouse.gov IS clearly a fake. Anyone who even casually examines it can spot that it's a layered document right off the bat. Opened in Photoshop, it even still has layers intact, as someone didn't even take time enough to flatten it. It's not even a clever fake, it's blatantly obvious.

EVERYONE (especially anyone familiar with computer graphics) download it and check it out.

It's right here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

I challenge anyone, open it in Photoshop, or any graphic application you wish, and marvel at the wonders of its obvious fakeness.

First off, the background is in color, and most of the text is in stark bitmapped black and white- it's clearly not really one scan of a simple document. But WHY?

The bitmapped black text over a color BG could be accepted as (oh, someone just scanned in the document and married it over a color background) except for the fact that there are blatant areas of manipulation- the 1 in the serial number under department of health is anti-aliased where the rest of the number is stark black and white pixels. (All through the document, anti-aliasing occurs right next to B&W bitmaps) WHY?

Then there's the fact that many of the characters are EXACT pixel-for-pixel duplicates of each other, and it happens over and over again. Both 1's in the number 151 for example. The two A's in STATE OF HAWAII at the top. The two T's in DEPARTMENT, and on and on and on.

Also many of the checkboxes are exact pixel-for-pixel duplicates of each other.

Anyone who knows anything about scanning an actual document knows that pixel-for-pixel duplicates of items is highly unlikely to occur, let alone multiple times, right next to each other. These are things that have simply been copy-pasted. WHY??!!

Then there's the weird mispellings- WHY is THE spelled TXE in the certification at the bottom. Other documents people have posted from the state of Hawaii aren't misspelled this way.

Other smoking guns that photoshop was used- there are layers containing white corrections. This is particularlly telling for anyone who uses Photoshop: if you're correcting an image over white, you are either erasing white pixels to correct something- but if you use white to correct, you're actually ADDING white pixels to the layer. This is clearly what someone did, perhaps forgetting that this isn't really erasing something, just covering with white pixels.

So basically, -and especially in light of the fact that I don't believe Obama was born anywhere else but Hawaii in 1961- I'd just like an explanation for this strange document.

First off- what the F is really up with it?

What's a logical explanation for all of it's oddities?

What was the purpose in creating/manipulating it like this?

As I said, anyone can go download the document and examine it for yourself- I challenge everyone to do so. What are people's explanations for how freaking weird this thing is?

I'd actually like to hear a logical explanation for everything odd about the document. It has nothing to do with not believing he's an American or not- it just has to do with- I can't friggen believe that anyone would pass off something like this expecting it not to be questioned- and I can hardly believe how people can't bring themselves to honestly question something so strange. Are people really that scared of questioning things, because other people act like nuts over stuff? I mean, yes, those that insist Obama is a Kenyan or whatever else act like nutbags.

But that doesn't change the fact that right at whitehouse.gov someone for some reason put up a jacked-up manipulated photoshopped image passing for a scan of a document. All anyone has to do to confirm it for themselves is go download and look at it.

Honestly look at that thing if you haven't already and tell me it doesn't give you a serious WTF moment.

 

[HomerJS]

That's overly simplistic I believe. There are some people who can't accept a black in office, but a great many can't accept this negro in the White House and it's not because of race. I have inlaws with the "birther" inclination and it's entirely a matter of "bubble" not black. That I believe is more of a problem than race in a great many things associated with the accumulation information. They get the chain emails because they visit certain sites, their news is "customized" for them, and pretty much all they learn reinforces what they believe because why and how things are delivered are altered to their sensibilities. That's a huge problem and goes far far beyond "birthers".

That said the degree to which some people will go to "prove" a thing, like this, is only matched by the overwhelming need to believe it.

Using the phrase "overly simplistic" aptly describes the believers of this nonsense. There was probably more of a reason to dredge this kind of stuff up when McCain was running but the Dems issued a statement they would never question his citizenship.

As far as accepting "this black man", birther conspiracies were out before Obama had a chance to do anything in office so it wasn't a policy dispute.

 

[Doppel]

That's overly simplistic I believe. There are some people who can't accept a black in office, but a great many can't accept this negro in the White House and it's not because of race. I have inlaws with the "birther" inclination and it's entirely a matter of "bubble" not black. That I believe is more of a problem than race in a great many things associated with the accumulation information. They get the chain emails because they visit certain sites, their news is "customized" for them, and pretty much all they learn reinforces what they believe because why and how things are delivered are altered to their sensibilities. That's a huge problem and goes far far beyond "birthers".

That said the degree to which some people will go to "prove" a thing, like this, is only matched by the overwhelming need to believe it.

Thanks, internet.

Back in the day you got your news locally or on TV. It was relatively balanced. The mainstream news sources today are relatively balanced (at least compared to the extreme ones). Now, people with poor grasps on reality can eschew all that stuff--skip cnn, fox, msnbc, npr--and get all their news from infowars.com and other psychopathic news sources. This helps affirm their skewed views. A new generation of ignorants is born.

 

[Thebobo]

Remember folks, if you are successful in getting Obama kicked out of office, Biden takes his place. From dumb to dumber.

Why do you say that? Have you proof?

 

[Matt1970]

Why do you say that? Have you proof?

Are you questioning the order of Presidential succession or the level of derp in the two of them?

 

[fskimospy]

Disclaimer: I personally believe Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961 as claimed. I've seen no evidence to the contrary. The definitive proof for me is that people have found newspaper reports of his birth from 1961, and it's insanity to believe these could have been faked in preparation for Obama's "guarantee" of being elected president 47 years later. So yes, he was born in Hawaii in '61, he's a US citizen, story over.


Now- completely separate issue: The document at whitehouse.gov IS clearly a fake. Anyone who even casually examines it can spot that it's a layered document right off the bat. Opened in Photoshop, it even still has layers intact, as someone didn't even take time enough to flatten it. It's not even a clever fake, it's blatantly obvious.

EVERYONE (especially anyone familiar with computer graphics) download it and check it out.

It's right here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

I challenge anyone, open it in Photoshop, or any graphic application you wish, and marvel at the wonders of its obvious fakeness.

First off, the background is in color, and most of the text is in stark bitmapped black and white- it's clearly not really one scan of a simple document. But WHY?

The bitmapped black text over a color BG could be accepted as (oh, someone just scanned in the document and married it over a color background) except for the fact that there are blatant areas of manipulation- the 1 in the serial number under department of health is anti-aliased where the rest of the number is stark black and white pixels. (All through the document, anti-aliasing occurs right next to B&W bitmaps) WHY?

Then there's the fact that many of the characters are EXACT pixel-for-pixel duplicates of each other, and it happens over and over again. Both 1's in the number 151 for example. The two A's in STATE OF HAWAII at the top. The two T's in DEPARTMENT, and on and on and on.

Also many of the checkboxes are exact pixel-for-pixel duplicates of each other.

Anyone who knows anything about scanning an actual document knows that pixel-for-pixel duplicates of items is highly unlikely to occur, let alone multiple times, right next to each other. These are things that have simply been copy-pasted. WHY??!!

Then there's the weird mispellings- WHY is THE spelled TXE in the certification at the bottom. Other documents people have posted from the state of Hawaii aren't misspelled this way.

Other smoking guns that photoshop was used- there are layers containing white corrections. This is particularlly telling for anyone who uses Photoshop: if you're correcting an image over white, you are either erasing white pixels to correct something- but if you use white to correct, you're actually ADDING white pixels to the layer. This is clearly what someone did, perhaps forgetting that this isn't really erasing something, just covering with white pixels.

So basically, -and especially in light of the fact that I don't believe Obama was born anywhere else but Hawaii in 1961- I'd just like an explanation for this strange document.

First off- what the F is really up with it?

What's a logical explanation for all of it's oddities?

What was the purpose in creating/manipulating it like this?

As I said, anyone can go download the document and examine it for yourself- I challenge everyone to do so. What are people's explanations for how freaking weird this thing is?

I'd actually like to hear a logical explanation for everything odd about the document. It has nothing to do with not believing he's an American or not- it just has to do with- I can't friggen believe that anyone would pass off something like this expecting it not to be questioned- and I can hardly believe how people can't bring themselves to honestly question something so strange. Are people really that scared of questioning things, because other people act like nuts over stuff? I mean, yes, those that insist Obama is a Kenyan or whatever else act like nutbags.

But that doesn't change the fact that right at whitehouse.gov someone for some reason put up a jacked-up manipulated photoshopped image passing for a scan of a document. All anyone has to do to confirm it for themselves is go download and look at it.

Honestly look at that thing if you haven't already and tell me it doesn't give you a serious WTF moment.

Wait, you accept that Obama was born in America, but then buy this ridiculous bullshit about photoshop being used? If you were as well versed in graphics as you seem to be claiming you would know that the 'layers' and artifacts you are seeing come from Optical Character Recognition, which is a pretty common feature. This is what people who ACTUALLY know what they are talking about have said.

The people who think his birth certificate is a forgery are every bit as nuts as those who believe he is a full on Kenyan.

For a more extensive debunking Snopes is here as usual:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

 

[Strk]

I thought this was settled in 1790?

It is such a pathetic argument even if Obama's birth certificate were fake.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

Disclaimer: I personally believe Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961 as claimed. I've seen no evidence to the contrary. The definitive proof for me is that people have found newspaper reports of his birth from 1961, and it's insanity to believe these could have been faked in preparation for Obama's "guarantee" of being elected president 47 years later. So yes, he was born in Hawaii in '61, he's a US citizen, story over.


Now- completely separate issue: The document at whitehouse.gov IS clearly a fake. Anyone who even casually examines it can spot that it's a layered document right off the bat. Opened in Photoshop, it even still has layers intact, as someone didn't even take time enough to flatten it. It's not even a clever fake, it's blatantly obvious.

EVERYONE (especially anyone familiar with computer graphics) download it and check it out.

It's right here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

I challenge anyone, open it in Photoshop, or any graphic application you wish, and marvel at the wonders of its obvious fakeness.

First off, the background is in color, and most of the text is in stark bitmapped black and white- it's clearly not really one scan of a simple document. But WHY?

The bitmapped black text over a color BG could be accepted as (oh, someone just scanned in the document and married it over a color background) except for the fact that there are blatant areas of manipulation- the 1 in the serial number under department of health is anti-aliased where the rest of the number is stark black and white pixels. (All through the document, anti-aliasing occurs right next to B&W bitmaps) WHY?

Then there's the fact that many of the characters are EXACT pixel-for-pixel duplicates of each other, and it happens over and over again. Both 1's in the number 151 for example. The two A's in STATE OF HAWAII at the top. The two T's in DEPARTMENT, and on and on and on.

Also many of the checkboxes are exact pixel-for-pixel duplicates of each other.

Anyone who knows anything about scanning an actual document knows that pixel-for-pixel duplicates of items is highly unlikely to occur, let alone multiple times, right next to each other. These are things that have simply been copy-pasted. WHY??!!

Then there's the weird mispellings- WHY is THE spelled TXE in the certification at the bottom. Other documents people have posted from the state of Hawaii aren't misspelled this way.

Other smoking guns that photoshop was used- there are layers containing white corrections. This is particularlly telling for anyone who uses Photoshop: if you're correcting an image over white, you are either erasing white pixels to correct something- but if you use white to correct, you're actually ADDING white pixels to the layer. This is clearly what someone did, perhaps forgetting that this isn't really erasing something, just covering with white pixels.

So basically, -and especially in light of the fact that I don't believe Obama was born anywhere else but Hawaii in 1961- I'd just like an explanation for this strange document.

First off- what the F is really up with it?

What's a logical explanation for all of it's oddities?

What was the purpose in creating/manipulating it like this?

As I said, anyone can go download the document and examine it for yourself- I challenge everyone to do so. What are people's explanations for how freaking weird this thing is?

I'd actually like to hear a logical explanation for everything odd about the document. It has nothing to do with not believing he's an American or not- it just has to do with- I can't friggen believe that anyone would pass off something like this expecting it not to be questioned- and I can hardly believe how people can't bring themselves to honestly question something so strange. Are people really that scared of questioning things, because other people act like nuts over stuff? I mean, yes, those that insist Obama is a Kenyan or whatever else act like nutbags.

But that doesn't change the fact that right at whitehouse.gov someone for some reason put up a jacked-up manipulated photoshopped image passing for a scan of a document. All anyone has to do to confirm it for themselves is go download and look at it.

Honestly look at that thing if you haven't already and tell me it doesn't give you a serious WTF moment.

I concur with this quote. I saw this today for the first time and though it was intriguing.

It's pretty disappointing seeing how liberals can only resort to baseless ad hominem instead of discussing the issues like adults.


If I'm mistaken, show me. You liberals should learn to save the ad hominem for afterwards. Right now you liberals are acting like little children.

 

[fskimospy]

I concur. I saw this today for the first time and though it was intriguing. It's pretty disappointing seeing how liberals only resort to baseless ad hominem instead of discussing the issues.

What's disappointing is that you guys are still falling for things that were debunked several years ago. I guess that's what happens when you live in the bubble; contrary information is hidden or dismissed as part of the conspiracy against conservatives.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

As far as accepting "this black man", birther conspiracies were out before Obama had a chance to do anything in office so it wasn't a policy dispute.

All I can tell you is what I know, and that is in discussing this issue with those whom I have known who have this curious perspective it's been more about the polarization of ideologies and politics than anything else. In the case of my in-laws the suggestion of racism is a nonstarter.

 

[piasabird]

Good Luck with this.

 

[Thebobo]

Are you questioning the order of Presidential succession or the level of derp in the two of them?

Biden has had a long successful career in public service. You call him him names to demonize him but he is not the "derp" like Palin was ~

Its like folks that criticize Carter, they don't know why they are just that they are told they should.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

What's disappointing is that you guys are still falling for things that were debunked several years ago. I guess that's what happens when you live in the bubble; contrary information is hidden or dismissed as part of the conspiracy against conservatives.

Frankly I don't even care about this document and I think Obama should have held up a big middle finger.

I have yet to see how the birthers explained how Obama went into the past and managed to slip his birth announcement into the local paper, or how people then just knew he was going to be President so faked it for this inevitable day.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

Frankly I don't even care about this document and I think Obama should have held up a big middle finger.

I have yet to see how the birthers explained how Obama went into the past and managed to slip his birth announcement into the local paper, or how people then just knew he was going to be President so faked it for this inevitable day.

We are not discussing the birther position. I never doubted the fact that Obama qualifies to be POTUS.

I just discovered this forgery issue today. What interests me is that reliable experts are certifying that the birth certificate is a forgery.

Why was it forged? My guess is that Obama want to look good to the people.

Where's the integrity Mr. President? You didn't need to forge a document to show people. There was no need. If you can't find the original copy, it's better to tell people the truth, that you can't find it. No need for the forgery.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

We are not discussing the birther position. I never doubted the fact that Obama qualifies to be POTUS.

I just discovered this forgery issue today. What interests me is that reliable experts are certifying that the birth certificate is a forgery.

Why was it forged? My guess is that Obama want to look good to the people.

Where's the integrity Mr. President? You didn't need to forge a document to show people. There was no need. If you can't find the original copy, it's better to tell people the truth, that you can't find it. No need for the forgery.

This lunacy ignores so much fact that it's painful to read. I actually feel sorry for you. Nothing in what you linked is a new claim and it has all been debunked repeatedly by even more "experts".

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

 

[Doppel]

We are not discussing the birther position. I never doubted the fact that Obama qualifies to be POTUS.

I just discovered this forgery issue today. What interests me is that reliable experts are certifying that the birth certificate is a forgery.

Why was it forged? My guess is that Obama want to look good to the people.

Where's the integrity Mr. President? You didn't need to forge a document to show people. There was no need. If you can't find the original copy, it's better to tell people the truth, that you can't find it. No need for the forgery.

Every infomercial for a worthless health product has an MD either bought out or stupid despite his degree. Go get the USA's 2-3 foremost experts on forgeries to state that this is one in front of Wolf Blitzer and then I will pay attention.

 

[Vic]

All I can tell you is what I know, and that is in discussing this issue with those whom I have known who have this curious perspective it's been more about the polarization of ideologies and politics than anything else. In the case of my in-laws the suggestion of racism is a nonstarter.

Yep. Try asking them what they would think about Ted Cruz running for President or vice president. My bet is that they'd be all for it even knowing he was born in Canada to an American mother and a Cuban father.
IMO it's not ideology (or even racism) that creates this polarization. It's just mindless political partisanship. "If it benefits my side, then I'm for it, if it benefits the other side, then I'm against it." Sometimes I see partisans take positions en masse that would normally be considered contrary to their respective ideologies.

 

[Thebobo]

It's pretty disappointing seeing how liberals can only resort to baseless ad hominem instead of discussing the issues like adults.

If I'm mistaken, show me. You liberals should learn to save the ad hominem for afterwards. Right now you liberals are acting like little children.

I'm not going to search the site but there are numerous times you have done the same.

 

[fskimospy]

Yep. Try asking them what they would think about Ted Cruz running for President or vice president. My bet is that they'd be all for it even knowing he was born in Canada to an American mother and a Cuban father.
IMO it's not ideology (or even racism) that creates this polarization. It's just mindless political partisanship. "If it benefits my side, then I'm for it, if it benefits the other side, then I'm against it." Sometimes I see partisans take positions en masse that would normally be considered contrary to their respective ideologies.

Yeap. You see some Democrats suddenly come on board with the warrantless wiretapping nonsense when Obama was elected and you see the Republicans abandon it. There was no fundamental change there, just the guy doing it had a D after his name instead of an R.

To believe any of this birther nonsense at this point you have to be either incredibly stupid or strongly politically motivated. I guess it varies by the person.

 

[Zorba]

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EDIT: Already addressed.