New allegatiions: Obama Birth Certificate Forged

[bshole]

Wow.. it's so cynical.

Damn I'm so jealous. The kids probably already a millionaire. I am surprised that you are allowed to KNOWINGLY publish outright libelous lies for your own profit. Have to wonder why he hasn't been sued yet.

 

[werepossum]

Wrong:Obama is quite intelligent and clever.
More like:From intelligent man whose goal is to undermine the US-to derp who will not harm anything;even if he tries. :whiste:
Vote for Derp!

Obama isn't trying to undermine the US, he's trying to "fundamentally transform" it to fit his image of what it should be. He feels he's making it a better nation, a more fair, socially just nation with more redistribution, a more powerful government, less capitalism. Straight out of "Dreams from my father", but thankfully with a lot less racial animosity and leftist radicalism. I do not like his vision for America, but I have no problem accepting that he honestly feels it will be a better place.

I thought everyone agreed this was a recreation, not a scan of the original, so I'm missing the big deal here. If anything, seems like irregularities and oddities would make it more likely to be a scan of the original, not less.

 

[Newell Steamer]

That's why Fox News was pushing this stuff so hard.

It's a legitimate money making venture, for driving web traffic and sponsors.

Create/sensationalise an issue the other side would love to become a true problem and, if it does, you get the crowing rights to say you brought it to light first.

 

[zinfamous]

I clicked on a related youtube video and found this gem. Here's how Obama truthers see science:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEFlMHOz6jQ#t=318
Seriously, watch this link for about 2 minutes. Their version of a liberal tries to explain evolution. He has hipster glasses, earings, and stuff. It has Gary Busey!

lol--that is Howie Mandel. I'm not sure what this is that you've linked, because I only watched about 20 seconds of it, and in the title for the video, we get: "Chriatian"

....are they trying to say "Christian," or, heaven help us all, "Creation"?

 

[boomerang]

This is a test. AT P&N is conducting a test of the Obama BC Dog Whistle. This is only a test.

This concludes this test of the Obama BC Dog Whistle.

 

[who?]

WHERE are they claiming they found a copy of the original long form? As I explained earlier, once the pertinent numbers were typed into the big computer there wasn't any need to maintain the actual physical certificate.

 

[Victorian Gray]

WHERE are they claiming they found a copy of the original long form? As I explained earlier, once the pertinent numbers were typed into the big computer there wasn't any need to maintain the actual physical certificate.

Somehow you missed this statement:

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”


http://health.hawaii.gov/vitalrecord...3/05/08-93.pdf

 

[compuwiz1]

WHERE are they claiming they found a copy of the original long form? As I explained earlier, once the pertinent numbers were typed into the big computer there wasn't any need to maintain the actual physical certificate.

That's too simple. People could just go into the big computer and change someone to be someone else. Those kinds of things can be bought, potentially. Years ago when I requested a copy of my Son's birth certificate, the hospital sent me a copy that even had his foot print on it. I could be wrong, but I do believe the hospitals or dept. of vital statistics in states have been keeping paper copies for a long, long time and still do. Do they keep paper copies of BC's in Hawaii that date back into the 60's?

 

[who?]

That's too simple. People could just go into the big computer and change someone to be someone else. Those kinds of things can be bought, potentially. Years ago when I requested a copy of my Son's birth certificate, the hospital sent me a copy that even had his foot print on it. I could be wrong, but I do believe the hospitals or dept. of vital statistics in states have been keeping paper copies for a long, long time and still do. Do they keep paper copies of BC's in Hawaii that date back into the 60's?

That may be why Donald Trump suddenly shut up about birth certificates.

 

[Nebor]

I just came in here to froth at the mouth and masturbate. Have you guys set up a special area for that, or can I just go anywhere?

 

[Darwin333]

Oh boy, I have to know 1st what about Ted Cruz? 2nd his mother is undeniably a citizen. 3rd care to explain the birth announcement in the local paper when he was born?

This is very true. I do not think that Obama is disqualified in any way from holding his seat in office (at least from running) nor do I buy into the entire birther bullshit. With that said, I have seen a great deal of actual evidence that the BC he posted is fraudulent. I have seen very few rebuttals to explain any of the very obvious flaws.

Regardless, it doesn't make a damn at this point in time except that the President, while still eligible to hold office, knowingly released a fraudulent document.

 

[fskimospy]

This is very true. I do not think that Obama is disqualified in any way from holding his seat in office (at least from running) nor do I buy into the entire birther bullshit. With that said, I have seen a great deal of actual evidence that the BC he posted is fraudulent. I have seen very few rebuttals to explain any of the very obvious flaws.

Regardless, it doesn't make a damn at this point in time except that the President, while still eligible to hold office, knowingly released a fraudulent document.

This is odd. There are numerous rebuttals, including several linked in this thread.

All of this on top of the simple fact that the department that controls his birth certificate and the governor of that state both personally vouch for its authenticity. That is the true gold standard.

At this point birtherism is simply a test to see if someone is insane and/or stupid.

 

[Darwin333]

Obama isn't trying to undermine the US, he's trying to "fundamentally transform" it to fit his image of what it should be. He feels he's making it a better nation, a more fair, socially just nation with more redistribution, a more powerful government, less capitalism. Straight out of "Dreams from my father", but thankfully with a lot less racial animosity and leftist radicalism. I do not like his vision for America, but I have no problem accepting that he honestly feels it will be a better place.

I thought everyone agreed this was a recreation, not a scan of the original, so I'm missing the big deal here. If anything, seems like irregularities and oddities would make it more likely to be a scan of the original, not less.

The argument, of which there is a ton of evidence for, is that it is a computer generated document and not a scan of anything.

Again, I don't think that Obama is an illegal or was unfit to run for or hold the seat of president of the United States. I do think that, from my limited knowledge of how scans work and the technology of the day, that the discrepancies make it impossible to be a legitimate scan of an actual document from that period in time. Why or how that is, I don't know and I wouldn't care one bit if there wasn't an implication that the president might have knowingly published a forged document. If someone can explain all of them away to any sort of reasonable extent I wouldn't have made this post. Again, I am not trying to claim Obama as anything other than the legally elected President of the United States.

One last time, I think that Obama was and is legally a US citizen and met the legal requirement to run for and hold the position he currently does. The article in the paper alone is enough to convince me of that. There would have been absolutely zero motive for anyone to falsely report that, he would have been a US citizen regardless. The only thing I can think of that would motivate them to lie is so that he can legally run for president later and for that to be on the mind of the family of a half black baby in the friggen 60s, yeah not buying it one bit.

 

[fskimospy]

The argument, of which there is a ton of evidence for, is that it is a computer generated document and not a scan of anything.

Again, I don't think that Obama is an illegal or was unfit to run for or hold the seat of president of the United States. I do think that, from my limited knowledge of how scans work and the technology of the day, that the discrepancies make it impossible to be a legitimate scan of an actual document from that period in time. Why or how that is, I don't know and I wouldn't care one bit if there wasn't an implication that the president might have knowingly published a forged document. If someone can explain all of them away to any sort of reasonable extent I wouldn't have made this post. Again, I am not trying to claim Obama as anything other than the legally elected President of the United States.

One last time, I think that Obama was and is legally a US citizen and met the legal requirement to run for and hold the position he currently does. The article in the paper alone is enough to convince me of that. There would have been absolutely zero motive for anyone to falsely report that, he would have been a US citizen regardless. The only thing I can think of that would motivate them to lie is so that he can legally run for president later and for that to be on the mind of the family of a half black baby in the friggen 60s, yeah not buying it one bit.

So you are saying that although Hawaii has certified that it has such a document on file and that Obama meets all the eligibility requirements for running for president, that Obama went and made a new forged document all on his own to post on the website?

This is fundamentally nuts. Not to mention there is not a 'ton of evidence' for that it is a computer generated document.

 

[Darwin333]

This is odd. There are numerous rebuttals, including several linked in this thread.

All of this on top of the simple fact that the department that controls his birth certificate and the governor of that state both personally vouch for its authenticity. That is the true gold standard.

At this point birtherism is simply a test to see if someone is insane and/or stupid.

Sigh, how many times must I state that I am not a birther and I have never claimed nor believed that Obama was not born exactly where he says he was?

I am simply not ignoring physical evidence that the document he released was likely to be computer generated. I don't really care about the issue because of the statement I have made dozens of time but I have never been in the habit of simply ignoring glaring physical evidence.

I will go back over the thread, which admittedly I skimmed because threads like these are usually full of irrelevant bullshit, to see if anything has been posted to explain what I have seen argued as flat out impossible.

 

[fskimospy]

Sigh, how many times must I state that I am not a birther and I have never claimed nor believed that Obama was not born exactly where he says he was?

I am simply not ignoring physical evidence that the document he released was likely to be computer generated. I don't really care about the issue because of the statement I have made dozens of time but I have never been in the habit of simply ignoring glaring physical evidence.

I will go back over the thread, which admittedly I skimmed because threads like these are usually full of irrelevant bullshit, to see if anything has been posted to explain what I have seen argued as flat out impossible.

This has nothing to do with you being a birther, this has to do with the fundamentally illogical chain of events you are saying must have happened here.

The fact that Obama would have to have acted completely irrationally and put his administration in jeopardy in order to reproduce a document that already existed would be an extraordinary claim. Considering the large amount of evidence that shows the artifacts present in the document can arise from totally normal scanning activity, this is highly improbable.

 

[Darwin333]

So you are saying that although Hawaii has certified that it has such a document on file and that Obama meets all the eligibility requirements for running for president, that Obama went and made a new forged document all on his own to post on the website?

This is fundamentally nuts. Not to mention there is not a 'ton of evidence' for that it is a computer generated document.

I have no idea.

Not to mention there is not a 'ton of evidence' for that it is a computer generated document.

There is no chromatic aberration whatsoever. Can you show me a color scanner that can scan a document in color that has zero chromatic aberration because from what I understand of optics it simply isn't possible. Then there is the kerning, can you produce a typewriter that had the ability to predict which letter was going to be typed next that was in use at the time? Can you sign a piece of paper and have your signature be perfectly aligned above the line down a one pixel resolution? There were quite a few other things that I don't recall.

I assumed some of that was due to software enhancing it or something, despite it being exactly the same on two different scans, but some of it just isn't possible like the lack of chromatic aberration in the "scan" the WH released. Try it yourself with your own color scanner and any color image.

I don't know about the why and don't care. I don't really care about the document released all that much either but that doesn't mean that I am going to ignore the laws of physics.

 

[fskimospy]

I have no idea.

There is no chromatic aberration whatsoever. Can you show me a color scanner that can scan a document in color that has zero chromatic aberration because from what I understand of optics it simply isn't possible. Then there is the kerning, can you produce a typewriter that had the ability to predict which letter was going to be typed next that was in use at the time? Can you sign a piece of paper and have your signature be perfectly aligned above the line down a one pixel resolution? There were quite a few other things that I don't recall.

I assumed some of that was due to software enhancing it or something, despite it being exactly the same on two different scans, but some of it just isn't possible like the lack of chromatic aberration in the "scan" the WH released. Try it yourself with your own color scanner and any color image.

I don't know about the why and don't care. I don't really care about the document released all that much either but that doesn't mean that I am going to ignore the laws of physics.

You really need to go read the rest of the thread.

Oh, and for the 'lack of chromatic aberration':

http://www.decodedscience.com/presi...ate-chromatic-aberration-theory-debunked/1732

I guess the laws of physics changed!

EDIT: As for the rest, it mostly comes down to OCR. I think your understanding of scanning technology is pretty out of date. There's nothing wrong with that, but it seems odd to be so sure as to declare something violating the laws of physics when you're so unsure.

 

[DominionSeraph]

I'm pretty sure Obama's original birth certificate showed plans to take down WTC 7 in a controlled demolition. Thus the cover-up.

 

[zinfamous]

That is a separate matter.

We're discussing the birth certificate and whether it is forged.

No it isn't. what is the point of discussing a "forged BC" if for no other reason than to continue casting doubt on the legitimacy of the person?

There is no logical connection between accepting one's citizenship while continuing to argue that the document is faked.

It benefits the person in no way, other than to prove to everyone else that you have a tiny mind.

 

[werepossum]

The argument, of which there is a ton of evidence for, is that it is a computer generated document and not a scan of anything.

Again, I don't think that Obama is an illegal or was unfit to run for or hold the seat of president of the United States. I do think that, from my limited knowledge of how scans work and the technology of the day, that the discrepancies make it impossible to be a legitimate scan of an actual document from that period in time. Why or how that is, I don't know and I wouldn't care one bit if there wasn't an implication that the president might have knowingly published a forged document. If someone can explain all of them away to any sort of reasonable extent I wouldn't have made this post. Again, I am not trying to claim Obama as anything other than the legally elected President of the United States.

One last time, I think that Obama was and is legally a US citizen and met the legal requirement to run for and hold the position he currently does. The article in the paper alone is enough to convince me of that. There would have been absolutely zero motive for anyone to falsely report that, he would have been a US citizen regardless. The only thing I can think of that would motivate them to lie is so that he can legally run for president later and for that to be on the mind of the family of a half black baby in the friggen 60s, yeah not buying it one bit.

That was my understanding of it, that it was a computer generated copy from the information stored on file, not a photocopy or a reprint of a scan stored as an image. I agree with your position on Obama's qualifications, although for me this ceased to be an issue once Obama became the first black major party Presidential candidate. No such ground-breaking member of a recognized protected minority group is going to be disqualified on the basis of such a technicality even if proven true.

 

[AViking]

Why does anyone give a shit about this? His mother is American. He was born in Hawaii.

 

[rockyct]

I'm pretty sure Obama's original birth certificate showed plans to take down WTC 7 in a controlled demolition. Thus the cover-up.

Obama's REAL father is also the shooter on the grassy knoll so they had to remove him from the birth certificate since when he fathered Barack, he hadn't yet disappeared.

 

[rockyct]

Why does anyone give a shit about this? His mother is American. He was born in Hawaii.

The funny thing is that even if he were born in Kenya, I think he's as much eligible for President as Ted Cruz is.

 

[AViking]

Well if you're born to only one American parent and it's outside of the county then you have to meet a few other stupid rules but I think he meets those too.