Netanyahu: No war crimes trials for Israelis

[0marTheZealot]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot

War crimes are a joke.

That's exactly the kind of thinking that gave us your mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers and war criminals, all of whom should be tried for their crime both in the U.S. and at the World Court at the Hague.

Israel and those they have fought all deserve justice based on the truth, no more and no less. If Israel believes they committed no crimes, let them have the balls to prove it. If not, they're the same kind of sick hypocritical pieces of shit as the Bushwhackos.

I know how much you love that macro Harvey, but in the real world, countries with power simply do not submit to war crime tribunals. The US should be indicted many times over for what it's done throughout history. The same with the Soviet Union. Why do people like Slobadon get tried for war crimes? Simple, his country was neither powerful enough nor had powerful enough friends to avoid persecution.

You think Nazi Germany would have had a Nuremburg trial if they won? They might have, but American/British/French/Soviet officers would have been on trial for ex-post-facto laws they broke.

The winners pass judgement on the losers. It's as simple as that. Why do you think the Iraqi Courts can't touch American soldiers/contractors? We wrote into their law system that Americans (and other allied countries) are immune to persecution.

And you don't see a problem with that? Knowing what has happened in the past does not make us captive to it. We live in an age of much more rapid and in depth communication with much more information available in real time. There is no excuse for allowing war crimes to be overlooked or the guilty go unpunished. At the risk of repeating myself, I'll repeat myself...

That's exactly the kind of thinking that gave us your mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers and war criminals, all of whom should be tried for their crime both in the U.S. and at the World Court at the Hague.

Israel and those they have fought all deserve justice based on the truth, no more and no less. If Israel believes they committed no crimes, let them have the balls to prove it. If not, they're the same kind of sick hypocritical pieces of shit as the Bushwhackos.

The problem is who will listen to you? Today, it's even harder to make a point because the average person is so powerless. The second you try to even begin a debate about this in any meaningful manner, you will be inundated by shrieks of "anti-semitism", "anti-jewish sentiment" and "pro-muslim tendencies". It's impossible to have any rational debate regarding Israel. The groups with power (eg AIPAC) will drown out any legitimate debate. That same real-time information stream (among others) is overly stacked against the average person. How can you expect your voice to be heard? Before, there were only 3 channels of information to voice your opinion and if you could gain airtime, then you could reach tens of millions of people. Today, there are literally thousands of channels of information. Any message would need to reach any number of channels simultaneously to reach a decent number of people. People like you and me, we can control nothing. We have only logic and facts, but money and influence easily trumps that. With enough money and power, you can change history and the facts.

Israel has no need to prove anything because it has a sponsor in the UN which will veto any war crimes accusations. It doesn't have to submit to the UN because, ultimately, the UN is a powerless entity. It has no tanks, no airplanes, not even cohesion to which force compliance. Nothing it passes is binding, that is, unless a powerful country actually wants it to be binding. Look at how many UN resolutions Israel is in defiance of. It's something like 20+. However, Israel answers to no one because it's the darling child of the US. Iran, in defiance of only a few UN resolutions, has no such powerful ally and as such, it's subject to those resolutions. When you have that kind of freedom, you can bomb anything and anyone into the Stone Age and not worry about repercussions. This is the climate that the Nazis and Stalinists operated in. You have wide latitude to do anything because ultimately, the only authority you answer to is corrupt. Israel happens to be on the right side of history right now. If/when their fortune changes, then they will be subject to the rules and laws other lesser nations are beholden to.

 

[lupi]

what war? they were engaging guerrillas in isreali territory.

 

[kylebisme]

Lupi. what lunatic convinced you the Gaza Strip is Israeli territory, or did you dream that up all on your own?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
The land they occupy that once belonged to Syria was taken during a battle that Syria itself started.

Bullshit.

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Israel has, more often than not, returned land that they captured during battles that they didn't even start.

Bullshit.

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
To imply that they are an expansionist country, in any direction besides the "Palestinian territories," is just plain ridiculous.

I don't claim they are an expansionist as a country in regard to anything beyond the Palestinian territories, but rather pointed out the fact that they do have further to expand in the minds of many Zionists, this providing some notable examples.

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
They even returned the Sinai to Egypt even though control of the canal would have been a windfall of power and influence throughout the region.

This is true, but you seem to have considerable misconceptions of the context.

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
I know that you're a conspiracy junkie, so why I even bother to try to debate with you is a damn good question... :roll:

I'm a facts junkie, and why you bother to obfuscate the facts with bullshit is a question I hope you might someday be willing to answer, as I see no point in such nonsense.

again kylebisme is using the same arguments that he is using for his 9/11 thread........
If he doesn`t believe it then it cannot possibly be correct!!!

Then Kylebisme claims to be a FACT junkie.......but fails to leave out the only facts he is interested in are the ones that apply to mhius own personnbal reality and we all know how that goes...just look at his 9/11 thread.......when he can`t defend himaself he iether ignores the real facts or he makes statements like
It means allowing people to the freedom to vote for or against a new investigation as they choose, rather than having that choice stripped from them by the powers that be.
or---
We've got conclusive proof that the official conspiracy theory is false, the most flagrant example presented in the OP. You on the other hand have your head buried deep in the sand to ignore anything of the sort.


so sad.....

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: kylebisme
Lupi. what lunatic convinced you the Gaza Strip is Israeli territory, or did you dream that up all on your own?

How about territory conquered from the enemy (determined to eliminate Israel from the beginning), that refuses to acknowledge Israel's existance and still launches attacks against Israel from within the borders and complains when they get slapped down.

Better?

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
again kylebisme is using the same arguments that he is using for his 9/11 thread........
If he doesn`t believe it then it cannot possibly be correct!!!

Then Kylebisme claims to be a FACT junkie.......but fails to leave out the only facts he is interested in are the ones that apply to mhius own personnbal reality and we all know how that goes...just look at his 9/11 thread.......when he can`t defend himaself he iether ignores the real facts or he makes statements like
It means allowing people to the freedom to vote for or against a new investigation as they choose, rather than having that choice stripped from them by the powers that be.
or---
We've got conclusive proof that the official conspiracy theory is false, the most flagrant example presented in the OP. You on the other hand have your head buried deep in the sand to ignore anything of the sort.


so sad.....

No sadder than you and your cronies acting as apologists for war crimes. Still, it was just a bunch of Palestinian civilians, including scores of women and children, so who gives a shit, right?

 

[Red Irish]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: kylebisme
Lupi. what lunatic convinced you the Gaza Strip is Israeli territory, or did you dream that up all on your own?

How about territory conquered from the enemy that refuses to acknowledge Israel's existance and still launches attacks against Israel from within the borders

Better?

Worse: "stolen" seems like a more appropriate term, "taken with force" might also do, but "taken and held using US taxpayers' money to fund a massive arms program" might be best of all. In any event, "conquered" seems completely out of place as it has connotations of honourable battle and praiseworthy victory rather than war crimes, ghettoes that are little better than concentration camps and an all too frequent lack of restraint on the part of a vastly superior military force.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: kylebisme
Lupi. what lunatic convinced you the Gaza Strip is Israeli territory, or did you dream that up all on your own?

I'll go with What is a Map. For $1000 Alex.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: ayabe
Purposefully targeting hospitals and food stores isn't an acceptable manner to conduct war.

I agree. You're supposed to target weddings and bus depots. Everyone knows this.

Nice dodge.

As an American taxpayer I have a problem when my subsidy dollars are being used to commit war crimes, guess you don't, duly noted.

So lets get this straight....
As an american tax payer you are against the United states winning a war?????
That`s what you just said...you caN`t have it both ways!
There is no such thing as a clean play by the rules war.
You don`t go to war to losae.... if the enemy only has 5,000 troops all with guns and 100 tanks.....you don`t also only put 5,000 troops all wioth guns and 100 tanks and see who is going to win!
You go to war to win!! End of the story!!

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
...

so sad.....

No sadder than you and your cronies acting as apologists for war crimes. Still, it was just a bunch of Palestinian civilians, including scores of women and children, so who gives a shit, right?

What said is that he can't refute the facts I presented in either thread, and instead results to logical fallacies to dismiss me while ignoring what I have said.

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: kylebisme
Lupi. what lunatic convinced you the Gaza Strip is Israeli territory, or did you dream that up all on your own?

I'll go with What is a Map. For $1000 Alex.

Well, here is a map for you, illustrating the fact that the Gaza Strip is not part of Israel.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Red Irish

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: kylebisme
Lupi. what lunatic convinced you the Gaza Strip is Israeli territory, or did you dream that up all on your own?

How about territory conquered from the enemy that refuses to acknowledge Israel's existance and still launches attacks against Israel from within the borders

Better?

Worse: "stolen" seems like a more appropriate term, "taken with force" might also do, but "taken and held using US taxpayers' money to fund a massive arms program" might be best of all. In any event, "conquered" seems completely out of place as it has connotations of honourable battle and praiseworthy victory rather than war crimes, ghettoes that are little better than concentration camps and an all too frequent lack of restraint on the part of a vastly superior military force.

What about those invading armies that were multiples of your own that had to be repelled and defeated to allow your own survival. Did they have honorable intentions?

The land that was "stolen" was conquered in a battle for survival and used to ensure that Israel would hopefully never have to fight for survival again. False hope.

The Palestinians jumped on the wrong side of the conflicts (plural) and now are complaining about their poor choices.

Let them recognize Israel's right to exist and that becomes the starting point for anything else. As long as they reach for the moon, they are hurting themselves in the long run and killing themselves in the short haul.

 

[kylebisme]

Wow, CC, you are such a bigoted liar that I can barely keep myself from vomiting when I read your posts.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: kylebisme
Wow, CC, you are such a bigoted liar that I can barely keep myself from vomiting when I read your posts.

CC a liar?? Not even!!
Now your a freaking joke, you call CC a liar......which he is NOT!!
But lets jump over to your 9/11 thread....
Yet you cannot even back it up, unless you enter your own convoluted world and then what you percieve to be truth is not truth at all, only in your mind!
This stuff is too good to be made up....rofl

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: kylebisme
Wow, CC, you are such a bigoted liar that I can barely keep myself from vomiting when I read your posts.

What, did he say Al Qaeda was responsible for 9/11? That scumbag!

 

[JSt0rm]

the us government wont allow its soldiers to be tried for war crimes internationally so I don't see why Israel would have to.

If the issue is Israel using white phosphorous on civilians then Palestinians should retaliate in kind. Either with bio or chem weapons. Who ever makes the war too dirty should also get a taste.

Oh and to make sure Americans don't get involved in this or are tainted we should be passing laws to block all money donations traveling into that country. We should still buy their crap (I like waves plug-ins) but no crazy war money from rich jews.

oh and also this whole dual citizenship thing needs to stop. We have American kids going over there to fight for the Israeli army. In fact when they go over there they have the option to work as us citizens "undercover" - well at least back in 95' they did. This I'm sure helped put us on the bad people list for the middle east.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
If the issue is Israel using white phosphorous on civilians then Palestinians should retaliate in kind. Either with bio or chem weapons. Who ever makes the war too dirty should also get a taste.

If you care about the non-terrorist palestinians, then a blatant chemical weapon strike on israel would probably not be a good idea as that would pretty much give israel the green light to vaporize the entire population and put this matter to bed.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
If the issue is Israel using white phosphorous on civilians then Palestinians should retaliate in kind. Either with bio or chem weapons. Who ever makes the war too dirty should also get a taste.

If you care about the non-terrorist palestinians, then a blatant chemical weapon strike on israel would probably not be a good idea as that would pretty much give israel the green light to vaporize the entire population and put this matter to bed.

there's a thought...

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
CC a liar??

A flagrant liar, this being one example:

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
The Palestinians jumped on the wrong side of the conflicts (plural) and now are complaining about their poor choices.

When in fact, Palestinians were never given the chance to choose a side, as they were not wanted by the Zionists who insisted on A Jewish Majority By All Means. A few notable quotes from David Ben-Gurion to exmeplefy this fact:

1937- "We do not seek an agreement with the [Palestinian] Arabs in order to secure the peace. Of course we regard peace as an essential thing. It is impossible to build up the country in a state of permanent warfare. But peace for us is a means, and not an end. The end is the fulfillment of Zionism in its maximum scope. Only for this reason do we need peace, and do we need an agreement."

1938- "I don't regard a state in part of Palestine as the final aim of Zionism, but as a mean toward that aim."

1947 -"In the area allocated to the Jewish State there are not more than 520,000 Jews and about 350,000 non-Jews, mostly Arabs. Together with the Jews of Jerusalem, the total population of the Jewish State at the time of its establishment, will be about one million, including almost 40% non-Jews. such a [population] composition does not provide a stable basis for a Jewish State. This [demographic] fact must be viewed in all its clarity and acuteness. With such a [population] composition, there cannot even be absolute certainty that control will remain in the hands of the Jewish majority .... There can be no stable and strong Jewish state so long as it has a Jewish majority of only 60%."

Not that the last quote was at the very end of 1947, over a month after Ben-Gurion's militia and the terrorist groups he allied with started ethnically cleansing the region, to alter those demographics which he was unwilling to accept, and unwilling to give Palestinians any choice in the matter.

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Not even!!
Now your a freaking joke, you call CC a liar......which he is NOT!!
But lets jump over to your 9/11 thread....
Yet you cannot even back it up, unless you enter your own convoluted world and then what you percieve to be truth is not truth at all, only in your mind!
This stuff is too good to be made up....rofl

Rather, in this thread and pretty much any other, you lash out at me out of your inability to accept the realities I confront you with.

Originally posted by: jonks
What, did he say Al Qaeda was responsible for 9/11?

He has essentially argued in favor of the notion that al Qaeda was responsible for whatever means was used to bring down WTC7 with a period of free fall acceleration, just as you and JEDIYoda have, even though that is flatly absurd, as you'd all know if you had any respect for reality. Yet instead you all insist on burring your heads in the sand to play make-believe and flapping your feathers at me for refusing to do the same, using your denial in regard to WTC7 as an excuse to ignore the facts I confront you with in regard to this very different subject here. You are quite simply falsers to the bone, the whole lot of you.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

I wonder what kylebisme's posts would look like without the words "reality" and "fact" included in every other sentence...?

Hey buddy, when you need to constantly try to convince everybody that what you're saying is "fact," or "reality," maybe it's time to step back and question your perception or understanding of both.

Just a thought.

 

[kylebisme]

I wonder what it would be like if you finally got over your delusions, and started addressing the facts I present. Do you think it would be painful for you?

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: kylebisme
I wonder what it would be like if you finally got over your delusions, and started addressing the facts I present. Do you think it would be painful for you?

You forgot to use the word "reality" in that reply... you're slackin'.

 

[kylebisme]

I figured I should leave it out since it seems to terrify you so much.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: kylebisme
I figured I should leave it out since it seems to terrify you so much.

It sure does!!!!111

Care for some chai?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
CC a liar??

A flagrant liar, this being one example:

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
The Palestinians jumped on the wrong side of the conflicts (plural) and now are complaining about their poor choices.

When in fact, Palestinians were never given the chance to choose a side, as they were not wanted by the Zionists who insisted on A Jewish Majority By All Means. A few notable quotes from David Ben-Gurion to exmeplefy this fact:

1937- "We do not seek an agreement with the [Palestinian] Arabs in order to secure the peace. Of course we regard peace as an essential thing. It is impossible to build up the country in a state of permanent warfare. But peace for us is a means, and not an end. The end is the fulfillment of Zionism in its maximum scope. Only for this reason do we need peace, and do we need an agreement."

1938- "I don't regard a state in part of Palestine as the final aim of Zionism, but as a mean toward that aim."

1947 -"In the area allocated to the Jewish State there are not more than 520,000 Jews and about 350,000 non-Jews, mostly Arabs. Together with the Jews of Jerusalem, the total population of the Jewish State at the time of its establishment, will be about one million, including almost 40% non-Jews. such a [population] composition does not provide a stable basis for a Jewish State. This [demographic] fact must be viewed in all its clarity and acuteness. With such a [population] composition, there cannot even be absolute certainty that control will remain in the hands of the Jewish majority .... There can be no stable and strong Jewish state so long as it has a Jewish majority of only 60%."

Not that the last quote was at the very end of 1947, over a month after Ben-Gurion's militia and the terrorist groups he allied with started ethnically cleansing the region, to alter those demographics which he was unwilling to accept, and unwilling to give Palestinians any choice in the matter.

Yet you can not even state what the Palestinians were doing in '48. I will post the same question here as in the other thread.

Here it has more relevance that w/ respect to Iran (other than Iran supporting the terrorists)

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Did the Palestinians side with...

No, that isn't how it went down, and I'm not going to humor your arguments from ignorance to the contrary. If you want to make an argument, state your claims and cite sources to back them, and I will be happy to address those. That said, I've taken the first steps of rational discourse on this matter in this thread, so if you care to start showing respect for reality, that would be the place to do it.

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Sounds very similar to the WTC7.

If it does not match your ideals; it must be the a lie/falsehood.

So I will reclarify just the first question as a multiple choice
Did the Palestinians in '48
a) act neutral
b) fight along side the Israeli against the Arabs to defend their lands
c) fight with the Arabs against the Israelis to take the Israeli land
d) flew anticipating that they would be able to go home to land conquered by the Arabs from the Israelis (ie expecting that the Arabs would win)
d) flew anticipating that they would be able to go home to land defended from the Arabs from by the Israelis (ie expecting that the Arabs would loose)
3) Some other explanation that you will apply

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: kylebisme
If you want to make an argument, state your claims and cite sources to back them, and I will be happy to address those.