Seriously why is this even a thread? You ask murderer if he should be in a murder trial and the answer is gonna be no everytime. And if he happens to be highly educated he'd probably cite you some bullshit reasons to obfuscate the issue too.
QuantumPion
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Exactly. I don't understand why Red Irish and the others keep defending the murderers when he agrees over and over again that they are guilty. I mean Hamas caused the death of 300 children, yet he just keeps using excuse after excuse to why he is OK with that. How do you justify child murder?
Lemon law
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Its worth noting that even totally pro Israeli fan clubbers do not dispute the fact that the US media is heavily pro Israeli biased. And not only does that news bias give us a distorted view of reality regarding actual events on the ground, it also tends to distort the extent of US international support regarding various other mid-east issues.
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Syria is a proxy to Iran, not Hamas or Hezbollah
Hamas leadership operates out of Damacus. That is a foriegn country from Gaza/Israel.
Should the Hamas leadership be indicted; would Syria give them up (they are traveling internationally, ie. not in their home country)?
If Syria would not give them up; would the UN be justified in punishing Syria (similar to what was done with the Taliban and AQ)?
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It really comes down the Doboji credibility, how can we believe something is false when the poster does not articulate why.
But fair enough, I also made a statement I believe to be true with articulating why I believe it to be true. And we should look no further than Iranian sanctions.
And while Israel and the US strongly push for Iranian sanction regarding Iranian Uranium enrichment, international support is lukewarm at best. Allies like France may be willing to vote for some sanctions, but anything with real teeth will not get French approval. Similarly, the IAEA is now openly hostile to US and Israeli distortion about Iranian nuclear capacity.
If the rest of the world was even remotely as gung ho as the US and Israel on the Iranian sanctions issue, much stronger sanctions would already be in place, they are not and to some extent, we can blame some of it on GWB as the little boy who cried wolf syndrome.
Similarly Uncle Sam has vetoed any and all UN resolutions against Israel, if the USA continues that policy under Obama, I am guessing the USA will start to incur increasing world hostility. And other nations will find it in their own interests to promote a just mid-east peace on their own less biased terms.
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always hoping and dreaming tyhat the Un or somebody will step up to the plate and and forcefully promote a middle east peace!
Keep dreaming......also when talking about Doboji`s credibility you are one to talk......
especially when you believe that everything that happens in the middl east is israel`s fault...lol
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Excuse me JediYoda, I take offense at your statement of "especially when you believe that everything that happens in the middl east is israel`s fault...lol"
Saying something all the time is simply the BIG LIE, I maintain that I am far more unbiased while you freely confess your pro Israeli bias. And as Israel slips further and further into its we want everything and will not compromise, there is a real danger that the end result of such a strategy will be that Israel ends up with nothing.
There has been basically no mid-east peace progress since Rabin was assassinated, and now there are two basically two paths forward. (1) Form a Palestinian state out of the disputed land captured in the 1967 war that Israel is now settling on and has to give back. (2) Force Israel to assimilate the Palestinian people on a one man one vote principle which means the current Israeli leadership will be voted out of office and many land ownership changes will follow the right to return.
By lock step opposing alternative #1, Israel now makes the second option inevitable.
Saying something all the time is simply the BIG LIE, I maintain that I am far more unbiased while you freely confess your pro Israeli bias. And as Israel slips further and further into its we want everything and will not compromise, there is a real danger that the end result of such a strategy will be that Israel ends up with nothing.
There has been basically no mid-east peace progress since Rabin was assassinated, and now there are two basically two paths forward. (1) Form a Palestinian state out of the disputed land captured in the 1967 war that Israel is now settling on and has to give back. (2) Force Israel to assimilate the Palestinian people on a one man one vote principle which means the current Israeli leadership will be voted out of office and many land ownership changes will follow the right to return.
By lock step opposing alternative #1, Israel now makes the second option inevitable.
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I disagree with you there, and US policy now sub subsidizes Israel some $14,000 per Israeli citizen when foreign and military aid is factored in.
No other nation on earth has that kind of sweet deal and the pro Palestinian press is non existent. And no other nation on earth has that strong of a political lobby.
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If the world can not force a Palestinian state; how are the Israeli's going to be force to assimilate the Palestinian people on a one man one vote principal?
You are trying to apply Western values to a region that does not accept those values
That the US Media is biased for Israel?
A good starting point could be here:
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/...ondemns-us-and-israel/
In Chomsky's book "Necessary Illusions", Appendix 5, Section 4 "The Peace Process in the Middle East" he outlines and thoroughly discusses the US media's and govornment's pro-Israeli bias (ultimately the idea is that it's a tactical agreement... there's no "Zionist conspiracy", it's just about money and power)
You don't have to agree. You don't have to like the guy. What he does though is present an opposing viewpoint. And then instead of resorting to character assassinations, find faults with his facts. In academia if you think a theory's right or wrong you prove it with evidence. That's an undisputed fact in the sciences and engineering. Somehow the same idea doesn't seem to translate to the P&N forum.
My point isn't that Hamas' atrocities are somehow justified. They're ugly and wrong. What I am saying is that it's a definite two-way street and Israel is plenty guilty -- but that fact is under-reported in the United States media.
Like I said before, war crime trials are a fucking joke. It's all based on which side you are when the shooting stops. If you are on the winner's side, then you can prosecute all the big, bad people you just got finished shooting.
For example, look at the Soviet Union vs Nazi Germany. Stalin, arguably, killed more people with his purges than the Nazi did in their concentration camps. Basically, it comes down to the fact that the Soviet Union won WW2 while Nazi Germany lost. That's why we can even reference the Nuremburg trials. If the Nazis won, then the people on trial in Nuremburg would have been French, American, Soviet, British, Finnish, Dutch and all other countries for crimes against the German state. It's really as simple as that.
For example, look at the Soviet Union vs Nazi Germany. Stalin, arguably, killed more people with his purges than the Nazi did in their concentration camps. Basically, it comes down to the fact that the Soviet Union won WW2 while Nazi Germany lost. That's why we can even reference the Nuremburg trials. If the Nazis won, then the people on trial in Nuremburg would have been French, American, Soviet, British, Finnish, Dutch and all other countries for crimes against the German state. It's really as simple as that.
kylebisme
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Sure you do, but you can't provide any evidence to back your claim, and wind up rambling off on another topic instead.
No, I'm well aware of the fact that our media is absurdly biased in favor of Israel, but I'm also aware of the fact that the "totally pro Israeli fan clubbers" are oblivious to that bias, and will even argue that our media is biased against Israel whenever it criticizes Israel's actions to the very slight extent it occasionally does.
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