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[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Obsoleet
Just to chime in and at risk of harming the buddy buddy mood around here.. I think this move was beyond appropriate, it's clear your close connections with Nvidia invalidate your eligibility here.
It's different from a partisan moderating the political forum, because this is a business and viral marketing or preference to your fellow NV employees/focus group members is a high concern for the reputation of the board.

no offense, obsoleet, but you haven't been a member here very long unless you're under an alias and are an old-time member with a hidden agenda. I'm probably one of the biggest amd promoters on this forum but that doesn't keep me from wanting us to have the best support possible. If bfg and keys were both focus group members I wouldn't care because I'm more concerned about their integrity and, by extension, their performance as mods.

A good definition that I've always used about integrity is that it is doing the right thing when you know that nobody is watching. I would trust keys to do the right thing when nobody was watching, and I'm highly confidant that if nvidia tried to pressure him to do things that were against his moral code he would immediately walk away. I'd be VERY surprised if we could say the same about any of his nay-sayers.


edit, obsoleet, I see from your later posts that you are simply trying to stir the pot. My old boss used to tell me that it's impossible to stir shit without getting it on yourself. Why don't you lumber back to your hole and leave technical discussions about the finer points of adulthood or even video cards and graphics to the big boys. I would be happy to continue this conversation in pm if you would prefer that I be more specific.

 

[ronnn]

Reads like an eulogy. :laugh: I would be surprised to see any less posting. This drama detracts from some real issues about forums and marketing.

 

[BFG10K]

By stepping down Keys has proven he's unbiased since he's putting the forum before his affiliation.

Because of this, as a poster I would no longer have any objections about him moderating video.

That and I?ll no longer have him watching my back as mod.

 

[Obsoleet]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
So that's the plan huh? Let me guess at this, and tell me how far off I am. You will continue baiting me in the hopes that BFG will give you a warning, or a vacation. Afterwards, you will complain and start a ruckus that he was defending a fellow mod, and my stepping aside really hasn't changed anything.

News flash. If BFG does anything, it's because you violated the TOS and guidelines. Nothing more, nothing less.
You've got it all worked out I see. Fortunately, I'm not as gullable as you seem to think I am.

The more intense you get, the more obvious it will become. So, with that said, the balls in your court. And you'll be fighting alone.

No. But weird. And ok. And it's gullible. Still really strange cuz I have NO idea where that came from.
LOL

It wouldn't matter who you are or what company you're connected with, my words would remain the same. Please don't feel special.. no one was baiting you, just telling it like it is. Lets be real here. That's just plain paranoid and borderline strange, I have nothing out against you my good man. But I am going to walk away slowly.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
By stepping down Keys has proven he's unbiased since he's putting the forum before his affiliation.

Because of this, as a poster I would no longer have any objections about him moderating video.

That and I?ll no longer have him watching my back as mod.

Actually Keys has preferred nvidia since the 5900, but big deal - we all have our preferences. Working for someone, does change things, but none of this means you can't be a good mod. It does impair your ability to accurately critic the competition and that is the part that shouldn't happen.

 

[bryanW1995]

other than a brief stint with x19xx series at the top, nvidia has dominated the high end gpu landscape for years. A person who favors them could be a fanboy or could just be somebody who likes have good video cards. I feel that I have a slight bias towards amd, but that is mainly because I feel that we'll all suffer if amd goes away and nvidia has the mid/high end graphics business all to itself.

 

[andrei3333]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
The focus group exists to allow us to provide feedback to NVIDIA and for NVIDIA to provide information to the community.

i am by no means an anybody here, but this is logic, what if Nvidia wanted to relay false information to build up hype, interest, and scare AMD to delay or change the specs of their cards ?

propaganda exits in the digital age my friend, and this digital war is being fought by ATI and Nvidia out here which makes us all victims of their crimes....

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
other than a brief stint with x19xx series at the top, nvidia has dominated the high end gpu landscape for years. A person who favors them could be a fanboy or could just be somebody who likes have good video cards. I feel that I have a slight bias towards amd, but that is mainly because I feel that we'll all suffer if amd goes away and nvidia has the mid/high end graphics business all to itself.

That is your opinion, I am sure. We all have a bias, but that is different than a job. Denying that reality is just kiss ass.

 

[golem]

No. But weird. And ok. And it's gullible. Still really strange cuz I have NO idea where that came from.
LOL

It wouldn't matter who you are or what company you're connected with, my words would remain the same. Please don't feel special.. no one was baiting you, just telling it like it is. Lets be real here. That's just plain paranoid and borderline strange, I have nothing out against you my good man. But I am going to walk away slowly.

You should re-read your post, your choice of words and your general tone. If someone else had written about you that way, I think you'd feel you were being baited too. Heck, your last sentence itself is incredibly insulting.

 

[ViRGE]

As I had mentioned before when Keys announced that he joined the NV focus group, Keys has been an outstanding mod and has done a great job keeping this battlefield of a forum on-topic and in-line; it's a significant loss to the community with him stepping down. On the other hand I am happy that he decided to step down now before something that would irrecoverably tarnish these forums (or AT) happened, it was the right decision for everyone involved.

Enjoy the additional mod time for keeping an eye on the CPU forum, Keys, the guys there could use a good backhanding now and then.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: cubeless
thppttt... we had yer back, keys... the weenies would have found something else to foam at the mouth about after a little while...

u can do whatever u want, but letting the whining saps drown u as they wittle all over themselves in self righteous hysteria is a sad way to go...

i have to posit that now, since u have surrendered this battle, u should never be able to post in the forum... what else can be the logical culmination of this sorry scenario? u have agreed with their insinuation that u are not honorable (that is the net of the situation no matter how it is portrayed) so now it follows that u be totally disenfranchised...

something akin to a saying about those who surrender liberty for security deserving neither floats about in my mind...

a sad, sad day...

Well, you can call it whatever you want Cubeless. I should never be able to post in the forum why? And there can't be a logical culmination to a scenario if the scenario itself is devoid of logic. And if you noticed, I never agreed with any insinuation.
I knew If I didn't step aside, that time would have worked things out. But, as it stands, good people are often forced to do things when bad people have a knife at their friends throat. That friend being Anandtech (figuratively and cumulatively speaking of course).

So, don't fill your head with all the wrong reasons and results. Because I did it for the right reasons. Not because of the plants, but because of the members concerns.

Nothing is lost that cannot be found again.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ronnn
Reads like an eulogy. :laugh: I would be surprised to see any less posting. This drama detracts from some real issues about forums and marketing.

Not sure what you're first two sentences infer, so maybe you could straighten that out.
As for your second sentence and your concerns, I think we can talk about that in here. I mean, why not?

So lets talk about your real concerns. Nobody is skirting here. So lets get to it.

 

[HopJokey]

I commend keys for taking one for the team and stepping down as video mod. I also commend keys for almost giving up free "goodies" and rejecting the focus group offer to remain a vid mod. The sad part is we lose a great mod but keys had to do what he had to do. Like Derek said, "you can't have your cake and eat it too..." (BTW this cliche doesn't make much sense to me; when I buy a cake I usually DO eat it, but I digress).

This proves that there still exists good people in this world that look out for the greater good above there own agendas. :beer:

 

[Zstream]

Wow, I do not know what to say. I know my opinion is not held very high but I am shocked. I am sorry for all the silly things I posted. Really never thought anyone would have the courage to do what you just have done.

Two thumbs up! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[Hauk]

I haven't read the whole thread but that sucks Keys. You've always been 100% on the level and have the patience it takes to be a good moderator. I hope this works out for you..

 

[Stoneburner]

BFG is the MOD? He's either a shill for the Video Card company or a shill for Doom!

*breaks out the pitchforks*

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
other than a brief stint with x19xx series at the top, nvidia has dominated the high end gpu landscape for years. A person who favors them could be a fanboy or could just be somebody who likes have good video cards. I feel that I have a slight bias towards amd, but that is mainly because I feel that we'll all suffer if amd goes away and nvidia has the mid/high end graphics business all to itself.

That is your opinion, I am sure. We all have a bias, but that is different than a job. Denying that reality is just kiss ass.

what? Are you implying that I'm kissing the ass of somebody who is no longer a mod here? why would I do that, even I were an ass-kisser? That'd be like telling your boss he has a nice tie 3 minutes after he told you he just got fired. I guess that it's theoretically possible that you could be so used to kissing ass that you couldn't stop yourself. Please find that alleged habit of ass-kissing in my posts if you can.

 

[NinjaJedi]

IMO it doesn't matter if you are biased/unbiased one way or the other. It doesn't matter if you are not here to market for the company. The fact that someone associated with AT be it a paid or unpaid employee is associated with a company that AT is supposed to do unbiased reviews for is a problem. It doesn't matter weather you are a moderator or editor or someone who writes reviews. It doesn't matter what forum you moderate for. The fact remains. Someone who works for AT is associated with a company that AT does unbiased reviews for. Many others have stated it. It's a matter of public perception. If you or other AT employees can't see the "conflict in interest" then something is really wrong. It gives me the impression that the AT site is biased regardless if they are or not. I would feel the same if it he (or any other AT employee) was part of a AMD/ATI focus group or part of any other department for either company.

To me it's not that you are in a focus group. It is that you are assoiated/work with/for nvidia and work for AT.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
other than a brief stint with x19xx series at the top, nvidia has dominated the high end gpu landscape for years. A person who favors them could be a fanboy or could just be somebody who likes have good video cards. I feel that I have a slight bias towards amd, but that is mainly because I feel that we'll all suffer if amd goes away and nvidia has the mid/high end graphics business all to itself.

Of course not, the GeForce FX were slower than the Radeon 9X00 series, the GeForce 6 were slower than the Radeon X8XX series, the GeForce 7 were slower than the Radeon X1K series, just now nVidia is dominating the landscaping, before this, it happened in the GeForce 4 Ti era.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: NinjaJedi
IMO it doesn't matter if you are biased/unbiased one way or the other. It doesn't matter if you are not here to market for the company. The fact that someone associated with AT be it a paid or unpaid employee is associated with a company that AT is supposed to do unbiased reviews for is a problem. It doesn't matter weather you are a moderator or editor or someone who writes reviews. It doesn't matter what forum you moderate for. The fact remains. Someone who works for AT is associated with a company that AT does unbiased reviews for. Many others have stated it. It's a matter of public perception. If you or other AT employees can't see the "conflict in interest" then something is really wrong. It gives me the impression that the AT site is biased regardless if they are or not. I would feel the same if it he (or any other AT employee) was part of a AMD/ATI focus group or part of any other department for either company.

To me it's not that you are in a focus group. It is that you are assoiated/work with/for nvidia and work for AT.

Since you know so much about the focus group, why don't you give us all a crash course about what my "job" is. I'd like to know what you think I am "required" to do as a member. Because if you really did know, you wouldn't be worried. You would welcome it. I mean, why wouldn't you? So, please. By all means, the floor is yours.

 

[bryanW1995]

It's probably that having buggy but cutting-edge equipment is somehow supposed to make you think that nvidia rulz. unfortunately for nvidia and the focus group members, the 9800gx2 sli is probably no faster than 8800gtx in tri-sli and probably not MUCH faster than 2 8800gtx in sli. This means that the poor focus group members had to suffer through a LONG time with buggy drivers, they finally got good drivers, now they have to start all over again with slightly better hardware that has buggy drivers AGAIN. Kinda makes you want to just keep one rig together, right guys?

Speaking of which, it's hard to believe but somebody could have a 16 month old Q6600 with a minor oc to 3 ghz on an older sli mobo and STILL be completely cutting edge right now. If it's an e6600 it could be closer to 3.5 ghz and demolish anything "stock" right now, too. Hector, you are killing us!!! Give us a competitive cpu AND video card at the same time!!

 

[ManWithNoName]

Keys, the selfish half of me wishes you could stay on as Video Mod, but the other half of me thinks it's a smart decision to relocate to another sub-forum. If you stayed on, you probably would have spent more time defending yourself against ridiculous unfounded attacks and accusations rather than Moderating and having fun. Good luck and get out of Dodge while you can. I wouldn't bother defending yourself anymore either, it's pointless. Live Long and Prosper.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: DerekWilson
BFG has some big shoes to fill

Not to me. BFG is by far the more level headed poster. Not too plainly bias, nor treats posters he 'dislikes' differently. I doubt I'll see him imposing his admin abilities on certain people just because he dislikes them, as has happened in the past.

But I guess that will get me in trouble just saying that.

 

[Keysplayr]

So you think you were vacationed 3 times because I didn't like you? That's a good one. Gave me a chuckle. You got off easy and lucky to still be here after what you pulled, even after multiple warnings. If you think BFG will go any easier on you, you would be mistaken. You get what you give around here.

 

[magreen]

Man, there's some really nasty people chiming into this thread with some really nasty posts. Keys, I'm sorry you have to go through this.

Mods, may I recommend this thread be locked before all the low-lifes on the net crawl in to spew their hate?