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[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: apoppin
any Hot Deals on Vipers?

actually if i had any enemies, i'd encourage them to jump right in and take off - foot to the floor .. no need for a seat belt
:Q

that depends on what you consider to be a "hot deal". vipers will be discontinued in the next few years because they're closing the plant. Normally that would cause the value to plummet on a car, but the new-for-08 viper is so freakin' badass that it has had the opposite effect. My best friend is our primary viper salesman. He goes to viper races with the owner to drum up viper business. His only discussion with prospective viper owners is how much over sticker they will have to pay for the priviledge of getting one before they literally disappear. We actually sold one for 8k over sticker to ANOTHER DEALER the other day b/c one of their corporate big-wigs (it was an autonation/sonic/corporate store) wanted one for his personal use. Oddly, people who can afford vipers usually would prefer to pay 10k+ over sticker than have to wait 2 years to get one (if they're not all gone first of course).

do you see why I'd love to sell one to rollo now?

bfdd, I'm new to the chrysler family. When did they buy mitsubishi?

 

[bfdd]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: apoppin
any Hot Deals on Vipers?

actually if i had any enemies, i'd encourage them to jump right in and take off - foot to the floor .. no need for a seat belt
:Q

that depends on what you consider to be a "hot deal". vipers will be discontinued in the next few years because they're closing the plant. Normally that would cause the value to plummet on a car, but the new-for-08 viper is so freakin' badass that it has had the opposite effect. My best friend is our primary viper salesman. He goes to viper races with the owner to drum up viper business. His only discussion with prospective viper owners is how much over sticker they will have to pay for the priviledge of getting one before they literally disappear. We actually sold one for 8k over sticker to ANOTHER DEALER the other day b/c one of their corporate big-wigs (it was an autonation/sonic/corporate store) wanted one for his personal use. Oddly, people who can afford vipers usually would prefer to pay 10k+ over sticker than have to wait 2 years to get one (if they're not all gone first of course).

do you see why I'd love to sell one to rollo now?

bfdd, I'm new to the chrysler family. When did they buy mitsubishi?

They did awhile ago. Why you think you see mitsu motors in the eco budget dodges?

 

[Keysplayr]

Heh, Bryan, I have a Camaro Z28 and looking to get rid of that for a Ford Escape or something like it. How's that for drivers culture shock! A viper? Hmmmm, I think I'd have trouble cramming my kids in one of those. And besides, my wife gets one look at a viper, and I might as well report it as a stolen vehicle. She loves that car.

By the way guys, Sickbeast didn't ask me to step aside. He just had some concerns and questions. His concerns and questions however, were most likely triggered by the element here that would see harm come to AT. The element I speak of is sort of a viral type of marketing of their own. Ironic isn't it? Sickbeast is a good guy and was just curious as to what was going on.

::::fumbles through yellow pages for local Dodge dealer::::

 

[Martimus]

Originally posted by: bfdd

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
bfdd, I'm new to the chrysler family. When did they buy mitsubishi?

They did awhile ago. Why you think you see mitsu motors in the eco budget dodges?

Mitsubishi worked with Chrysler years ago, but it was a partnership, not a buyout. The Stealth and the 3000GT are the same car, for the most part; along with the engine partnership on other vehicles.

Good luck Keys with your new role. It is sad to see you go, but I know that BFG will do a good job in Video. He has shown that he is fair and objective, although he has big shoes to fill.

If anyone wants someone to blame for some of the posts being deleted lately; you can blame me if you like. I was sick of reading every post in video over the last few days turn into a flame fest, and complained about it to the mods. I feel bad for doing it now, but it is already done. I appologize for complaining to the mods without first talking to the individuals directly; that was the wrong thing to do.

 

[thilanliyan]

Good luck with the new modding job Keys.
:beer:

 

[Obsoleet]

Just to chime in and at risk of harming the buddy buddy mood around here.. I think this move was beyond appropriate, it's clear your close connections with Nvidia invalidate your eligibility here.
It's different from a partisan moderating the political forum, because this is a business and viral marketing or preference to your fellow NV employees/focus group members is a high concern for the reputation of the board.

 

[angry hampster]

Curious: Who will be replacing you, keys?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: angry hampster
Curious: Who will be replacing you, keys?

BFG

 

[magreen]

Keys, it's lousy that this had to be done.

It's a Catch 22 -- you have to resign from being moderator in order to prove to the skeptics that you're fit to be moderator of this forum.

Of course, the extreme skeptics won't even be convinced by this. And that's why you felt it necessary for the good of the forum's reputation that you resign. Sad really, that we have to worry about a few negative people's impressions.

Well, I for one will miss you as a mod. But I hope I won't miss you as a member here, and that you'll post in this forum even more now that you have less mod duties taking up your time!

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Martimus

Mitsubishi worked with Chrysler years ago, but it was a partnership, not a buyout. .

Not to drag this offtopic but....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Motors

A significant stake was sold to Chrysler Corporation in 1971 which it held for 22 years, while DaimlerChrysler was a controlling shareholder between 2000 and 2005.

 

[Martimus]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Martimus

Mitsubishi worked with Chrysler years ago, but it was a partnership, not a buyout. .

Not to drag this offtopic but....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Motors

A significant stake was sold to Chrysler Corporation in 1971 which it held for 22 years, while DaimlerChrysler was a controlling shareholder between 2000 and 2005.

I stand corrected.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: DerekWilson.

I know that most of you know keys to be a fair mod and not only that, but one of the people that turned this place from a flame ridden wasteland into a place where people could really talk about graphics and video technology. He's done an amazing job as a moderator here as I'm sure he'll do where ever else we put him.

agreed! keys stay.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: magreen
Keys, it's lousy that this had to be done.

It's a Catch 22 -- you have to resign from being moderator in order to prove to the skeptics that you're fit to be moderator of this forum.

Of course, the extreme skeptics won't even be convinced by this. And that's why you felt it necessary for the good of the forum's reputation that you resign. Sad really, that we have to worry about a few negative people's impressions.

Well, I for one will miss you as a mod. But I hope I won't miss you as a member here, and that you'll post in this forum even more now that you have less mod duties taking up your time!

Keys rightly doesn't give up his CPU mod duties. He continues elite and as a ATF moderator with perhaps new respect from his detractors.
-It doesn't matter what the "extreme skeptics" think - it is obvious to us by now that the ringleaders have a twisted "agenda" - to discredit all of us.

Keys continuing as mod and a Focus Group member can no longer be seen by anyone - even as a perceived potential conflict as he is just not going to continue to mod Video. NVIDIA only "makes" GPUs and MBs. There is nothing receiving MBs and GPUs for evaluation that will affect any sane perception regarding his moderating any other Tech or Social forum.

Frankly, i think it will allow Keys to speak even more "freely" here. i know i couldn't post the things i *really wanted* to say when i was a Video mod ... so my own choice is to post freely - what i really think without "worrying about consequences" [aside from our own ToS]. i didn't want ATF to get ANY problems from my own loud-mouth personal negative opinions i might state about another HW site's benchmarking methods [which has suddenly improved today - awesome progress!] .. or to even lambasting a CEO of a HW company to attempt to force a "reply".

 

[buck]

Tis a shame, but its not like you won't be posting in here. Whats a shame even more is that the stupid acts of a certain member here have pushed you into this decision. As other members have said, you are not like that other liar/dirtbag, but we respect your decision anyway and look forward to the input you give in this forum.


:thumbsup: for a class act.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

you should stay man

i havent been here for a while, but sounds like things are still "passionately" discussed in here lol! i know many of my 10k posts have been spent arguing in here over the past 5 years

heh there was a time when id of been willing to be video mod, if id of gotten asked, but ive not been around these parts in ages.... im so behind on the tech!

 

[Obsoleet]

Originally posted by: apoppin
There is nothing receiving MBs and GPUs for evaluation that will affect any sane perception regarding his moderating any other Tech or Social forum.

Every sane person knows there's nothing such as a free lunch. If ATI or Nvidia starts sending you free stuff you might feel a tad bit obligated to toss in a few comments that weren't exactly completely necessary in their defense as well (if to not go even further beyond than that), as Nvidia does watch the FocusGroup members and how they portray Nvidia here in this forum.

Let's not kid ourselves with the piety here. :disgust: Anyone who essentially sells out to a company can't truly be trusted to be an unbiased source of moderation or information.

edit- Oops, I missed the "other" part of your comment. Yes, I agree. You're right on apoppin. :thumbsup:

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Obsoleet

Originally posted by: apoppin
There is nothing receiving MBs and GPUs for evaluation that will affect any sane perception regarding his moderating any other Tech or Social forum.

Every sane person knows there's nothing such as a free lunch. If ATI or Nvidia starts sending you free stuff you might feel a tad bit obligated to toss in a few comments that weren't exactly completely necessary in their defense as well (if to not go even further beyond than that), as Nvidia does watch the FocusGroup members and how they portray Nvidia here in this forum.

Let's not kid ourselves with the piety here. :disgust: Anyone who essentially sells out to a company can't truly be trusted to be an unbiased source of moderation or information.

edit- Oops, I missed the "other" part of your comment. Yes, I agree. You're right on apoppin. :thumbsup:

Noted.

 

[Demoth]

Personally, I won't be questioning Keys on information nor would I lump him in the same category as nRollo. I always felt Keys and Apoppin have been a strong asset to this forum as a catalyst for fact based discussion.

My problem with the GPU forum mod being part of Nvidia's focus group would have been directed towards Baby J. himself if he had been a Vid Mod on Anandtech. It is not the information disseminated by the mod in question that I was concerned with. The problem is the power to edit, lock, ban, influence and threaten. Even a slight bit of unintentional favortism could allow real viral marketers to run wild here unopposed. My suspicion was nRollo set this whole thing up just so Keys would feel a bit more obligation to him and give him more wiggle room to spread propaganda.

I think Keys did the stand up thing and have renewed confidence in Anandtech as a reliable source of information.

 

[Obsoleet]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Noted.

Ah, very nice. Is that a veiled threat with your mod powers because you simply don't like what I'm saying?
Duly noted.

Originally posted by: Demoth
Even a slight bit of unintentional favortism could allow real viral marketers to run wild here unopposed. My suspicion was nRollo set this whole thing up just so Keys would feel a bit more obligation to him and give him more wiggle room to spread propaganda.

If you even knew the half of it. Trust me, this is a mandatory move that would truly be insane to allow his continued moderation of the video forum. 'Nuff said.

 

[Keysplayr]

So that's the plan huh? Let me guess at this, and tell me how far off I am. You will continue baiting me in the hopes that BFG will give you a warning, or a vacation. Afterwards, you will complain and start a ruckus that he was defending a fellow mod, and my stepping aside really hasn't changed anything.

News flash. If BFG does anything, it's because you violated the TOS and guidelines. Nothing more, nothing less.
You've got it all worked out I see. Fortunately, I'm not as gullable as you seem to think I am.

The more intense you get, the more obvious it will become. So, with that said, the balls in your court. And you'll be fighting alone.

 

[cubeless]

thppttt... we had yer back, keys... the weenies would have found something else to foam at the mouth about after a little while...

u can do whatever u want, but letting the whining saps drown u as they wittle all over themselves in self righteous hysteria is a sad way to go...

i have to posit that now, since u have surrendered this battle, u should never be able to post in the forum... what else can be the logical culmination of this sorry scenario? u have agreed with their insinuation that u are not honorable (that is the net of the situation no matter how it is portrayed) so now it follows that u be totally disenfranchised...

something akin to a saying about those who surrender liberty for security deserving neither floats about in my mind...

a sad, sad day...

 

[Rubycon]

Is it true during orientation they make you dress up like this and get your picture taken? Official christening ceremony? :laugh:

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: bfdd

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: apoppin
any Hot Deals on Vipers?

actually if i had any enemies, i'd encourage them to jump right in and take off - foot to the floor .. no need for a seat belt
:Q

that depends on what you consider to be a "hot deal". vipers will be discontinued in the next few years because they're closing the plant. Normally that would cause the value to plummet on a car, but the new-for-08 viper is so freakin' badass that it has had the opposite effect. My best friend is our primary viper salesman. He goes to viper races with the owner to drum up viper business. His only discussion with prospective viper owners is how much over sticker they will have to pay for the priviledge of getting one before they literally disappear. We actually sold one for 8k over sticker to ANOTHER DEALER the other day b/c one of their corporate big-wigs (it was an autonation/sonic/corporate store) wanted one for his personal use. Oddly, people who can afford vipers usually would prefer to pay 10k+ over sticker than have to wait 2 years to get one (if they're not all gone first of course).

do you see why I'd love to sell one to rollo now?

bfdd, I'm new to the chrysler family. When did they buy mitsubishi?

They did awhile ago. Why you think you see mitsu motors in the eco budget dodges?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Motors

they have some technology sharing agreements and build a few cheapie cars together but they're separate companies. Also, now that chrysler has been spun off from daimler the relationship is probably not going to continue from what I can see.

 

[ronnn]

For myself the issue of being a mod did have bad optics, but I thought the polls were about focus group members posting in threads about the competition? Several threads about amd had a focus group member make negative comments using whatever source that could be dug up. Sometimes these comments turn out to be jokes. So if being a member of a focus group carries a bad connotation, really the blame can be laid at some of the members - not us general riff raff.

Anyways resigning, while noble, doesn't answer the concern expressed by the polls. :beer:

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Heh, Bryan, I have a Camaro Z28 and looking to get rid of that for a Ford Escape or something like it. How's that for drivers culture shock! A viper? Hmmmm, I think I'd have trouble cramming my kids in one of those. And besides, my wife gets one look at a viper, and I might as well report it as a stolen vehicle. She loves that car.

By the way guys, Sickbeast didn't ask me to step aside. He just had some concerns and questions. His concerns and questions however, were most likely triggered by the element here that would see harm come to AT. The element I speak of is sort of a viral type of marketing of their own. Ironic isn't it? Sickbeast is a good guy and was just curious as to what was going on.

::::fumbles through yellow pages for local Dodge dealer::::

don't worry, they don't have any vipers :evil:

we got 15 of them before anyone else had more than 1 or 2. We probably have more physically in stock (5) on the ground right this second than any other dealer in the country. it's sick.

This entire thread is kind of like trying to make john mccain look like a bad guy imho. You can talk about his temper or some imagined slights that he may or may not have perpetrated upon people over the years, but his true character showed years ago. I understand that people change, and money can obviously "root" out evil, but I personally believe that a couple thousand dollar's worth of computer equipment is somewhat below keys' threshold for selling out.

Now *I*, on the other hand, would be happy to sell out to the highest bidder. As I've mentioned several times before, I would even use that crappy phenom cpu and pretend to like it if it was free!