Middle school to give out birth control pills

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
So, what, we want to encourage such behavior? :roll:

Brilliant...

Education and protection works. Teaching that sex is evil doesn't.

I'm not saying it is evil in of itself. But just flippantly having sex isn't good. Sex outside of marriage is wrong. Heck if everyone abided by that and only had sex in marriage we wouldn't have these problems with STDs and AIDS and such.

But then asking people to have self-control is just too much isn't it....

I'm glad you had the balls to say that. You have no idea the hell you just bombarded yourself with

Oh I know what I have done. This isn't the first time I've said that and it sure won't be the last I know that

And for those curious, yes I'm a virgin, and proud of it too. Shall remain so until I'm married. If I end up being single all my life (which I don't think I could handle really) then fine I'll be a virgin all my life.

I agree full heatedly :thumbsup:

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
So, what, we want to encourage such behavior? :roll:

Brilliant...

Education and protection works. Teaching that sex is evil doesn't.

I'm not saying it is evil in of itself. But just flippantly having sex isn't good. Sex outside of marriage is wrong. Heck if everyone abided by that and only had sex in marriage we wouldn't have these problems with STDs and AIDS and such.

But then asking people to have self-control is just too much isn't it....

To be safe people should probably just stick to having sex to have kids. If it doesn't take after the first time, try once more down the road. When you are done with procreation, you're done sex.

But stupid thrill seekers can't think about what is right!

damn right. sex is just for reproduction. masturbation? if you have the urge wear mittins and pants. if that does not help have your parents chain you up.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: purbeast0
what the hell who's bright idea was it to come up with this crap?

and people "under 15 years old" incorporates 2 years of highschool kids there.

eh, i didnt know of anyone who was 13 when they started 9th grade

I was.

so was I.



ok so i was jerking off to pictures in the sears catalog

Wern't we all

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
So, what, we want to encourage such behavior? :roll:

Brilliant...

Education and protection works. Teaching that sex is evil doesn't.

I'm not saying it is evil in of itself. But just flippantly having sex isn't good. Sex outside of marriage is wrong. Heck if everyone abided by that and only had sex in marriage we wouldn't have these problems with STDs and AIDS and such.

But then asking people to have self-control is just too much isn't it....

To be safe people should probably just stick to having sex to have kids. If it doesn't take after the first time, try once more down the road. When you are done with procreation, you're done sex.

But stupid thrill seekers can't think about what is right!

damn right. sex is just for reproduction. masturbation? if you have the urge wear mittins and pants. if that does not help have your parents chain you up.

What exactly are you guys talking about anyways? You guys certainly don't believe that way, and no one in this thread has advocated this belief... So why is it being brought up?

 

[StormRider]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
I am sure if you looked up the Kinsey Reports you'd find that the average age or percentage of students experimenting has not changed much at all in 60 years.

i'd be interested in that report, but i'd be willing to bet there is more sex going on at a younger age now than 60 years ago.

Actually its less for some areas now. It has gone down the last decade or so.

well, we were talking 60 years ago, not 10.

Youth start sex at same age as their parents, grandparents did


All told, the mean age for sexual intercourse is 16.5 years, about where it's been since the sexual revolution that was launched by today's baby boomers.

i was looking for the middle school age kid's statistics. the article you linked wasn't really about this topic, and i agree with those findings anyway.

i still find it hard to fathom a 12 y/o having sex. i think i might've still been playing with Barbies then.

i do think more middle schoolers are having sex and television, movies, hollywood, the internet, has influenced that.

And your wrong and sound like some cheesy fauz news bit... TV, games, etc... are causing kids to...
Its the same on average. Difference is younger people are more likely to tell the truth today. Look at someone like Republican Sen Craig. he was caught picking up guys and there have been reports of him being gay. But his time period/age gay was evil almost like blacks and whites dating. If that happens now a day by someone young they will be more liekly to admit it as its not as much a taboo.
In Iran being gay can get you a death sentance. Does that mean there are no gay people since theor prez says there are none? No, they just can't admit it or live their lives they way they were born.

Same humans different culture.

It's hard for me to believe that our behavior has not changed with the times. I have to think that the media (movies, music, internet, and games) can and does have a profound influence on how kids act/think/behave.

Look at how kids dress now. Young girls wearing low cut jean that show their middriff and thongs. If the media can change the way we dress, why is it so hard to think it can change the way we think/act/behave?

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Anubis
eh, i didnt know of anyone who was 13 when they started 9th grade

I was .

 

[SparkyJJO]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
So, what, we want to encourage such behavior? :roll:

Brilliant...

Education and protection works. Teaching that sex is evil doesn't.

I'm not saying it is evil in of itself. But just flippantly having sex isn't good. Sex outside of marriage is wrong. Heck if everyone abided by that and only had sex in marriage we wouldn't have these problems with STDs and AIDS and such.

But then asking people to have self-control is just too much isn't it....

To be safe people should probably just stick to having sex to have kids. If it doesn't take after the first time, try once more down the road. When you are done with procreation, you're done sex.

But stupid thrill seekers can't think about what is right!

damn right. sex is just for reproduction. masturbation? if you have the urge wear mittins and pants. if that does not help have your parents chain you up.

What exactly are you guys talking about anyways? You guys certainly don't believe that way, and no one in this thread has advocated this belief... So why is it being brought up?

It's called taking what you've said, blowing it to extremes/out of context/etc so they can try to justify their position and make fun of you - but it doesn't work all that well

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: aircooled

Originally posted by: moshquerade

When you were in Middle School did you know of any classmates having sex?

Yes.
And my daughter (who is now in high school) knows of many girls at school that started having sex in middle school.

Well in that case it seems a better idea than an unplanned pregnancy or a termination. I just hope they lay it on thick with the STD message.

My first girl was in Elementary school, and it was her idea. Before that I had girls take their cloths off for me, kiss, etc?

I love all the outrage when schools step up but before this parents turn a blind eye. If parents did their job then schools would not have to. I guess all those pro-republican ?don?t have sex..? sex ed classes are not helping. Its called nature. Keep trying to fight it by being bad parents and you end up with schools that have to do YOUR job.

If anyone, be it a teacher, principal, nurse, school doc etc.., gives my pre-teen daughter drugs or hormones without my expressed knowledge and consent my "parenting skills" will be the least of their concern.

Schools already try to force parents to give their kids amphetamines and other mind altering drugs. Now they want to be able to give them hormones without even telling the parents??? If you want to give a school the ability to provide drugs to your 12 year old without your consent or knowledge then thats your business. When it comes to my daughter, over my dead body.


With that said, when my daughter reaches that age we will definitely discuss the options with her doctor and my wife and I will decide if it is safe and appropriate for my child to take.

So you have sat her down and told her of sex, hormones, BC/condoms, etc... ? And if she asked for BC you would take her to the doc and let them decide if she was old enough and able to take them safely?

No, I haven't had the "sex" talk with her and informed her of B/C, condoms etc... I know people say that kids are growing up faster these days but I don't feel that she needs to know those things at age 6.

When she is the appropriate age, then yes, I will sit down with her and have the discussion. And no, the doctor will not decide if she will take them. My wife and I will make that decision. The doctors job is to inform us of any risks that may be involved. I know its a rather wild idea but we will decide if our child will take prescription drugs/hormones not a school board.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
But tell me this: If you know that you are not going to have sex with your GF, that you know you both will avoid it till marriage, and that you therefore know that your GF is not going to be having sex, should she be forced to take birth control pills?

I'll tell you this: teenage boys are not to be trusted.
And no matter what, that's a discussion for the family members, not outsiders.

Certainly don't have to tell me that. I've told my GF that enough times and she gets tired of it

If I had a duaghter I would be more than happy to let the prospective BF share his opinions with me. It gives me the opportunity to judge his character.

I'm not sure what it is with the opinion of keeping prospective love lifes out of family matters and trying to push him to a small island. I would rather know his character than try to ignore he exists Especially knowing that my daughter may be having sex with him..

Giving your opinion is one thing...

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
Thats why we both went to her mother and firmly told her we didn't want her on it. We are both dedicated to remaining virgins till we're married anyways. And if we did get caught up in it then "I" would take responsibility and use protection.

That sounds a little pushier than giving your opinion

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
What exactly are you guys talking about anyways? You guys certainly don't believe that way, and no one in this thread has advocated this belief... So why is it being brought up?

It's called taking what you've said, blowing it to extremes/out of context/etc so they can try to justify their position and make fun of you - but it doesn't work all that well

See here

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
What exactly are you guys talking about anyways? You guys certainly don't believe that way, and no one in this thread has advocated this belief... So why is it being brought up?

It's called taking what you've said, blowing it to extremes/out of context/etc so they can try to justify their position and make fun of you - but it doesn't work all that well

See here

Getting to read the stuff in that link was worth going through this monstrosity of a conversation. :thumbsup:

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: aircooled

Originally posted by: moshquerade

When you were in Middle School did you know of any classmates having sex?

Yes.
And my daughter (who is now in high school) knows of many girls at school that started having sex in middle school.

Well in that case it seems a better idea than an unplanned pregnancy or a termination. I just hope they lay it on thick with the STD message.

My first girl was in Elementary school, and it was her idea. Before that I had girls take their cloths off for me, kiss, etc?

I love all the outrage when schools step up but before this parents turn a blind eye. If parents did their job then schools would not have to. I guess all those pro-republican ?don?t have sex..? sex ed classes are not helping. Its called nature. Keep trying to fight it by being bad parents and you end up with schools that have to do YOUR job.

If anyone, be it a teacher, principal, nurse, school doc etc.., gives my pre-teen daughter drugs or hormones without my expressed knowledge and consent my "parenting skills" will be the least of their concern.

Schools already try to force parents to give their kids amphetamines and other mind altering drugs. Now they want to be able to give them hormones without even telling the parents??? If you want to give a school the ability to provide drugs to your 12 year old without your consent or knowledge then thats your business. When it comes to my daughter, over my dead body.


With that said, when my daughter reaches that age we will definitely discuss the options with her doctor and my wife and I will decide if it is safe and appropriate for my child to take.

So you have sat her down and told her of sex, hormones, BC/condoms, etc... ? And if she asked for BC you would take her to the doc and let them decide if she was old enough and able to take them safely?

No, I haven't had the "sex" talk with her and informed her of B/C, condoms etc... I know people say that kids are growing up faster these days but I don't feel that she needs to know those things at age 6.

When she is the appropriate age, then yes, I will sit down with her and have the discussion. And no, the doctor will not decide if she will take them. My wife and I will make that decision. The doctors job is to inform us of any risks that may be involved. I know its a rather wild idea but we will decide if our child will take prescription drugs/hormones not a school board.

So whens the "appropriate age"?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

When you were in Middle School did you know of any classmates having sex?

yes. it becomes more prevalent the more rural you go.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

No, I haven't had the "sex" talk with her and informed her of B/C, condoms etc... I know people say that kids are growing up faster these days but I don't feel that she needs to know those things at age 6.

When she is the appropriate age, then yes, I will sit down with her and have the discussion. And no, the doctor will not decide if she will take them. My wife and I will make that decision. The doctors job is to inform us of any risks that may be involved. I know its a rather wild idea but we will decide if our child will take prescription drugs/hormones not a school board.

It's not the school board that is deciding that the child will take the prescriptions drugs. It's the child that is deciding. It's that same child who is also deciding to have sex and you probably do not know about it. The school board just makes it available and ensures that a doctor proves that the child's health will not be negatively effected by it.




Personally, I would like my child to feel alright about coming to me and asking to be on birth control. Although, I understand how difficult that can be for a kid who is constantly bombarded with lessons about how pregnancy is so incredibly terrible and their lives will be completely destroyed if they have sex. I know that is not our intention as adults to get it across that way all the time but it does happen and the result is that the kids are scared of telling their parents that they are sexually active.

As much as I do not want my child to be sexually active at that age, I am not dumb. I know that no matter what I do, I can't prevent it. It will be their choice and their choice alone. At least I will know that there are preventative measures available for them in regards to both pregnancy and STDs even if they are too afraid to approach me and are really good at hiding it.

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: StormRider
It's hard for me to believe that our behavior has not changed with the times. I have to think that the media (movies, music, internet, and games) can and does have a profound influence on how kids act/think/behave.

Look at how kids dress now. Young girls wearing low cut jean that show their middriff and thongs. If the media can change the way we dress, why is it so hard to think it can change the way we think/act/behave?

I think this debate is funny. I saw a special on the history channel about fashions in europe over the last couple of hundred years. Girls wore dresses that made their asses look huge, shamelessly low-cut dresses to show off cleavage, etc. Guys even wore codpieces to make it look like they had big junk sticking out. It was just plain gross.

You think that we're trailblazing today with sexual fashion??? Get a clue. It's always happened, just in various degrees. People have always expressed their sexuality through clothing - even in conservating communities. They just have the other extremes to compare themselves to (like thong-sporting teenagers) and therefore feel like they're above it. Sounds to me like the 'moral relativism' is coming from the conservatives.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: moshquerade

When you were in Middle School did you know of any classmates having sex?

yes. it becomes more prevalent the more rural you go.

did you really mean more prevalent in rural areas? and if so, why would it be?

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: aircooled

Originally posted by: moshquerade

When you were in Middle School did you know of any classmates having sex?

Yes.
And my daughter (who is now in high school) knows of many girls at school that started having sex in middle school.

Well in that case it seems a better idea than an unplanned pregnancy or a termination. I just hope they lay it on thick with the STD message.

My first girl was in Elementary school, and it was her idea. Before that I had girls take their cloths off for me, kiss, etc?

I love all the outrage when schools step up but before this parents turn a blind eye. If parents did their job then schools would not have to. I guess all those pro-republican ?don?t have sex..? sex ed classes are not helping. Its called nature. Keep trying to fight it by being bad parents and you end up with schools that have to do YOUR job.

If anyone, be it a teacher, principal, nurse, school doc etc.., gives my pre-teen daughter drugs or hormones without my expressed knowledge and consent my "parenting skills" will be the least of their concern.

Schools already try to force parents to give their kids amphetamines and other mind altering drugs. Now they want to be able to give them hormones without even telling the parents??? If you want to give a school the ability to provide drugs to your 12 year old without your consent or knowledge then thats your business. When it comes to my daughter, over my dead body.


With that said, when my daughter reaches that age we will definitely discuss the options with her doctor and my wife and I will decide if it is safe and appropriate for my child to take.

So you have sat her down and told her of sex, hormones, BC/condoms, etc... ? And if she asked for BC you would take her to the doc and let them decide if she was old enough and able to take them safely?

No, I haven't had the "sex" talk with her and informed her of B/C, condoms etc... I know people say that kids are growing up faster these days but I don't feel that she needs to know those things at age 6.

When she is the appropriate age, then yes, I will sit down with her and have the discussion. And no, the doctor will not decide if she will take them. My wife and I will make that decision. The doctors job is to inform us of any risks that may be involved. I know its a rather wild idea but we will decide if our child will take prescription drugs/hormones not a school board.

So whens the "appropriate age"?

Whatever age the child's parents deem to be appropriate.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: moshquerade

When you were in Middle School did you know of any classmates having sex?

yes. it becomes more prevalent the more rural you go.

did you really mean more prevalent in rural areas? and if so, why would it be?

boredom?

anyway i woundered the same thing

and this just occured to me, i grew up in Maine, first time i had sex was in 9th grade so was my GF, I was 15 she was 14, and she was on the Pill

i loled

 

[PimpJuice]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: purbeast0
what the hell who's bright idea was it to come up with this crap?

and people "under 15 years old" incorporates 2 years of highschool kids there.

eh, i didnt know of anyone who was 13 when they started 9th grade

I was.

me too

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: aircooled

Originally posted by: moshquerade

When you were in Middle School did you know of any classmates having sex?

Yes.
And my daughter (who is now in high school) knows of many girls at school that started having sex in middle school.

Well in that case it seems a better idea than an unplanned pregnancy or a termination. I just hope they lay it on thick with the STD message.

My first girl was in Elementary school, and it was her idea. Before that I had girls take their cloths off for me, kiss, etc?

I love all the outrage when schools step up but before this parents turn a blind eye. If parents did their job then schools would not have to. I guess all those pro-republican ?don?t have sex..? sex ed classes are not helping. Its called nature. Keep trying to fight it by being bad parents and you end up with schools that have to do YOUR job.

If anyone, be it a teacher, principal, nurse, school doc etc.., gives my pre-teen daughter drugs or hormones without my expressed knowledge and consent my "parenting skills" will be the least of their concern.

Schools already try to force parents to give their kids amphetamines and other mind altering drugs. Now they want to be able to give them hormones without even telling the parents??? If you want to give a school the ability to provide drugs to your 12 year old without your consent or knowledge then thats your business. When it comes to my daughter, over my dead body.


With that said, when my daughter reaches that age we will definitely discuss the options with her doctor and my wife and I will decide if it is safe and appropriate for my child to take.

So you have sat her down and told her of sex, hormones, BC/condoms, etc... ? And if she asked for BC you would take her to the doc and let them decide if she was old enough and able to take them safely?

No, I haven't had the "sex" talk with her and informed her of B/C, condoms etc... I know people say that kids are growing up faster these days but I don't feel that she needs to know those things at age 6.

When she is the appropriate age, then yes, I will sit down with her and have the discussion. And no, the doctor will not decide if she will take them. My wife and I will make that decision. The doctors job is to inform us of any risks that may be involved. I know its a rather wild idea but we will decide if our child will take prescription drugs/hormones not a school board.

So whens the

Whatever age the child's parents deem to be appropriate.

Yea and for most parents today that is after they are already knocked up.

That and i asked YOU when the "appropriate age"? See the quotes. You said you have a kid, so when?

 

[GoatMonkey]

If I was a girl I think I would probably want those birth control pills that shorten or eliminate your period. Not even anything to do with sex really. Of course, maybe they have side effects that I don't know about, I'm obviously not an expert.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
I am sure if you looked up the Kinsey Reports you'd find that the average age or percentage of students experimenting has not changed much at all in 60 years.

i'd be interested in that report, but i'd be willing to bet there is more sex going on at a younger age now than 60 years ago.

You'd be wrong. If anything, the trend is going the other way. Hell, 100 years and more ago, kids were usually married off around the 8th grade. And yes, I knew kids having sex in middle school.

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Interesting.

Why does Maine not want extra voters from all those 13 yr old pregnant girls?

*brandishes large stick*

BACK TO P&N!! BACK!! BACK!!

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
I'm not saying it is evil in of itself. But just flippantly having sex isn't good. Sex outside of marriage is wrong. Heck if everyone abided by that and only had sex in marriage we wouldn't have these problems with STDs and AIDS and such.

But then asking people to have self-control is just too much isn't it....

Monogamy does not require marriage. In fact, in the real world, the 2 usually have nothing to do with each other.


On topic, my concerns about this are:
- the pill is a prescription drug,
- condoms (properly used) are just as effective as the pill in preventing pregnancy and also prevent STD's are well.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Vic
On topic, my concerns about this are:
- the pill is a prescription drug,
- condoms (properly used) are just as effective as the pill in preventing pregnancy and also prevent STD's are well.

not only is it a prescription drug, but what do extra doses of hormones do to people already full or hormones?

 

[0roo0roo]

"
You'd be wrong. If anything, the trend is going the other way. Hell, 100 years and more ago, kids were usually married off around the 8th grade. And yes, I knew kids having sex in middle school.
"

ah yes, and with the fun of shotgun marriages with real shotguns!

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: StormRider

It's hard for me to believe that our behavior has not changed with the times. I have to think that the media (movies, music, internet, and games) can and does have a profound influence on how kids act/think/behave.

Look at how kids dress now. Young girls wearing low cut jean that show their middriff and thongs. If the media can change the way we dress, why is it so hard to think it can change the way we think/act/behave?

Your first statement is 100 percent correct, media has the ability to release the irrational behaviors in all of us that cannot be overcome with simple logic and reason like sex education of whatever flavor, abstinence or prevention, and a man by the name of Edward Bernays proved it by getting women to start smoking like men using the media

Previously it was considered taboo for women to smoke in public but by using powerful psychological methods delivered through the media he effectively doubled the cigarette companies customer base literally overnight.

One of Bernays' early clients was the tobacco industry. In 1929, he orchestrated a legendary publicity stunt aimed at persuading women to take up cigarette smoking, which was then considered unfeminine and inappropriate for women with any social standing. He initially consulted with psychoanalyst A. A. Brill, who told him that cigarettes were symbolic of the male penis. Therefore, if one wanted women to take up the habit of it was necessary to first connect the act of smoking to the idea of challenging the established male power in society. Women would smoke, he said, if the cigarette was a statement against the male-dominant ways, because this way women would symbolically have their own penises.

It was in this spirit that Bernays arranged for New York City débutantes to march in that year's Easter Day Parade, defiantly smoking cigarettes as a statement of rebellion against the norms of a male-dominated society. Photographs of what Bernays dubbed the "Torches of Liberty Brigade" were sent to newspapers, convincing many women to equate smoking with women's rights. Some women went so far as to demand membership in all-male smoking clubs, a highly controversial act at the time.

Your second statement and question are answered in the following documentary called "Century of Self" which shows how media can effectively be used to manipulate the masses while making them believe it was their freewill that caused them to adapt to the behavior promoted by the companies sponsoring the said behavior.


It is 4 hours long but well worth the time, especially for those that don't believe media can have such a profound effect on peoples behavior which can trump all reason and logic that says otherwise.

Century of Self