Middle school to give out birth control pills

[Vic]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
you think sex is instinctual? that if we didn't see, hear or read about it that we would just know how to do it?

Of course. It's not like it takes a manual to figure out.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: moshquerade


you think sex is instinctual? that if we didn't see, hear or read about it that we would just know how to do it?

sure would.

Tab A, Slot B.


I'll give the species that much credit

funny, i don't remember just knowing how to do it. i do remember seeing animals do it and thinking, "oooooooooooh, so that's how it goes"

Then you cheated!

But even if you hadn't copied, you would have eventually figured it out.

only because someone showed me.

 

[paulxcook]

Children shouldn't be having sex. But parents are to blame first and foremost, schools might just be trying to make the best of a terrible situation.

 

[Chryso]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: moshquerade


you think sex is instinctual? that if we didn't see, hear or read about it that we would just know how to do it?

sure would.

Tab A, Slot B.


I'll give the species that much credit

funny, i don't remember just knowing how to do it. i do remember seeing animals do it and thinking, "oooooooooooh, so that's how it goes"

now take that a step farther. who showed the animals?

other animals?
actually, it's got to be instinctual for them, but honestly, we aren't animals. wait... i might want to retract that.

We are most definitely animals.
We just wear clothes and are better at finding ways to kill ourselves.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: moshquerade


you think sex is instinctual? that if we didn't see, hear or read about it that we would just know how to do it?

sure would.

Tab A, Slot B.


I'll give the species that much credit

funny, i don't remember just knowing how to do it. i do remember seeing animals do it and thinking, "oooooooooooh, so that's how it goes"

now take that a step farther. who showed the animals?

other animals?
actually, it's got to be instinctual for them, but honestly, we aren't animals. wait... i might want to retract that.

Yes, we are animals. With big brains that came from having opposable thumbs and the ability to verbally communicate. Otherwise, not much difference.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Turin39789

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: moshquerade


you think sex is instinctual? that if we didn't see, hear or read about it that we would just know how to do it?

sure would.

Tab A, Slot B.


I'll give the species that much credit

funny, i don't remember just knowing how to do it. i do remember seeing animals do it and thinking, "oooooooooooh, so that's how it goes"

now take that a step farther. who showed the animals?

other animals?
actually, it's got to be instinctual for them, but honestly, we aren't animals. wait... i might want to retract that.

We are most definitely animals.
We just wear clothes and are better at finding ways to kill ourselves.

That's just because we're not born with thick fur and sharp teeth and claws.

 

[slackerinabox]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I'm more concerned about the effect the hormones will have on kids so young. Are there any studies on that?

Very good question.

Precisely. My GF's mother wanted to put my GF on birth control. Me and my GF talked about it and we firmly refused. She's not finished developing yet and there is no way in hell I would make her start dumping more horomones in her body than she's already giving (processed meats etc.).

The thing that bothers me in modern society is the readiness parents have with dumping horomones and untested drugs in their daughter's bodies for the sake of "protecting" them, with no knowledge of what it will do to them. Does anyone know what 35-40 years of birth control could do to a woman? I sure as hell don't want my GF to be part of the study that finds out.

Thats why we both went to her mother and firmly told her we didn't want her on it. We are both dedicated to remaining virgins till we're married anyways. And if we did get caught up in it then "I" would take responsibility and use protection.

It's the same with ADD, ADHD, birth control; all this crap that parents think they can put in their pre/post-pubescent children and it won't affect them.

I have a deep resentment for people my age and younger, but simultaneously I have a worse resentment for their parents. People always say that these kids today are getting worse and worse, but I'm far more disgusted with the parents.

If I were one of her parents, I'd have told you to STFU and GTFO. I don't see why you should have a say in the matter, it's between her and her parents.
You need to get down from your high horse.

I do not have to sit idly by and watch my future wife get pumped full of drugs for a habit she has no intention of starting.

If I seem like I'm on a "high horse" then I apologize. But we don't all believe the way you do. We don't always think that sex whenever you want is a good practice. Why should she have horomones stuffed down her throat if she has no intention of engaging in sex anyways?

Luckily the parents have more sense than you do, and can listen when it matters. Heck, they're deaf and they apparently listen better than you do.

:laugh:
It's funny that you don't seem to realize you have a horrible superiority complex. Hopefully my daughters will have better taste than to date someone like you.

Only in certain things. I do realize that at times I can get a big head.. who doesn't?

At the same time, I know several forum members here that can kick my rear in advanced mathematics. I certainly don't try to contest that.

But tell me this: If you know that you are not going to have sex with your GF, that you know you both will avoid it till marriage, and that you therefore know that your GF is not going to be having sex, should she be forced to take birth control pills?

Your gf is probably having sex with other people, fyi. She should be on the pill! Her parents know what's up.

 

[m1ldslide1]

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212

Your gf is probably having sex with other people, fyi. She should be on the pill! Her parents know what's up.

Listen to him coolness - he knows what's up with the womenz.

 

[InflatableBuddha]

Phew...I finally made it to this point in the thread.

I think it's a good idea to provide the BC pills (with parental consent), as long as accurate medical information is provided about potential risks/complications. I agree that condoms should be provided no questions asked (and the kids taught how to use them properly).

I'm not sure what the education component is like at this school. I would hope for an unbiased stance, highlighting the benefits of sex for those who feel ready, but also the importance of proper precautions (and showing negative consequences, without fearmongering). Education is actually more important than providing pills.

I'm glad I had sex-ed at my high school (and I think it was fairly balanced), but I think it probably should have started in elementary school. The only instruction I had earlier on was about how to recognize inappropriate touching from adults - no mention of sexual touching among peers.

I had virtually no instruction from my parents. I can remember my dad giving me a talk as he dropped me off at the dorms in my first year at uni. "Remember you need consent (i.e. not drunk), and make sure to use protection. You know how to use a condom right?" "Yep." "Good." This would have been more helpful at 13, although I was still a virgin heading into university, so no loss.

I agree with others who say that kids will have sex no matter what, so they should be informed of the risks and protection. Don't stop your kid from riding a bike because they might get hurt; make sure they wear a helmet and learn the rules of the road. Then they can be safe and have fun.

 

[InflatableBuddha]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
So, what, we want to encourage such behavior? :roll:

Brilliant...

Education and protection works. Teaching that sex is evil doesn't.

I'm not saying it is evil in of itself. But just flippantly having sex isn't good. Sex outside of marriage is wrong. Heck if everyone abided by that and only had sex in marriage we wouldn't have these problems with STDs and AIDS and such.

But then asking people to have self-control is just too much isn't it....

Exercising self-control has done wonders for Catholic priests and publicly homophobic, closeted gay Republicans!

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
So, what, we want to encourage such behavior? :roll:

Brilliant...

Education and protection works. Teaching that sex is evil doesn't.

I'm not saying it is evil in of itself. But just flippantly having sex isn't good. Sex outside of marriage is wrong. Heck if everyone abided by that and only had sex in marriage we wouldn't have these problems with STDs and AIDS and such.

But then asking people to have self-control is just too much isn't it....

Exercising self-control has done wonders for Catholic priests and publicly homophobic, closeted gay Republicans!

But they're not creating new voters with their activity :shocked:

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
Only in certain things. I do realize that at times I can get a big head.. who doesn't?

At the same time, I know several forum members here that can kick my rear in advanced mathematics. I certainly don't try to contest that.

But tell me this: If you know that you are not going to have sex with your GF, that you know you both will avoid it till marriage, and that you therefore know that your GF is not going to be having sex, should she be forced to take birth control pills?

who is being forced?

My GF's mother was going to force her to take birth control meds at the threat of certain things etc. My GF came to me saying that since she had no plans of having sex before marriage she didn't want to be put on the pill as she hasn't finished developing and didn't want to tamper with it. So me and her talked it out and then went to her mother, who thankfully listened instead of ignoring me.

If I chose to only listen to people within my family, I'd be pretty stupid

No one ever learned anything by closing their sources.

You need to find yourself a little slut and get laid.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
So, what, we want to encourage such behavior? :roll:

Brilliant...

Education and protection works. Teaching that sex is evil doesn't.

I'm not saying it is evil in of itself. But just flippantly having sex isn't good. Sex outside of marriage is wrong. Heck if everyone abided by that and only had sex in marriage we wouldn't have these problems with STDs and AIDS and such.

But then asking people to have self-control is just too much isn't it....

Exercising self-control has done wonders for Catholic priests and publicly homophobic, closeted gay Republicans!

But they're not creating new voters with their activity :shocked:

WTF is this new voter BS ive seen it mentioned a few times in this thread

 

[potoba]

yeah, i know one.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
So, what, we want to encourage such behavior? :roll:

Brilliant...

Education and protection works. Teaching that sex is evil doesn't.

I'm not saying it is evil in of itself. But just flippantly having sex isn't good. Sex outside of marriage is wrong. Heck if everyone abided by that and only had sex in marriage we wouldn't have these problems with STDs and AIDS and such.

But then asking people to have self-control is just too much isn't it....

Exercising self-control has done wonders for Catholic priests and publicly homophobic, closeted gay Republicans!

But they're not creating new voters with their activity :shocked:

WTF is this new voter BS ive seen it mentioned a few times in this thread

Don't feed the troll.

 

[Whisper]

Just to add my brief two cents, and address a question asked in the OP:

I knew of a handful of people in my middle school who were sexually active, one of whom became pregnant (it was a while back, but my guess would be that she was ~13).

 

[GTaudiophile]

I dunno. I think they real controversy in the USA is that a majority of Americans cannot believe that children (11+ in this case) are sexual beings. People are not sexual until the night of their wedding. Such is what most parents want to believe. To provide BC to pre-teens is to admit they want to engage in sexual activity, and that just does not fit with our puritanical paradigm here in the USA. I think the reality is, and this may shock many of you, is that humans are sexual from as far back as the womb, and that has been documented. But being sexual is a chemical/hormonal instinct. The power and maturity to grant consent is a completely different issue. Hence AoC laws that are necessary and need enforcement. Does giving BC fly in the face of this? Does it grant consent where it should and does not exist? These issues are the heart of the matter IMO.

Go to Europe, and you can get BC in the form of pills, condoms, etc. from just about anywhere for free. Then again, it is socialized health care.

Go to Germany and you see their "Mach's Mit" condom ad campaign just about everywhere. It's brilliant. http://www.machsmit.de/

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
To be honest, I'm more upset that Maine taxpayers have to pay to help the little sluts and whores stay safe while they play.

My friend was 13 when she lost her virginity. But she's morally responsible enough to handle it and is still with that person.

The people this is for isn't for people like my friend who only has had sex a few times, always used protection, and truly loves her partner beyond a physical connection. This is for the little sluts who just want to fuck.

I find it disgraceful and dispicable and I don't see a point in helping them. If they're dumb enough to not get protection then I doubt they'd get it any easier from the school.

I don't think this is about "nature." This is about lack of self-control, lack of self-responsibility, and boys and girls thinking this is what is expected of them via music, billboards, TV shows, and then furthered and spread amongst the young groups via social networks, IMs, chatrooms, and schools.

And do I think anything needs done about it? NO. Cause I believe in personal responsibility and if they want to be whores let them.

I was homeschooled near all my school life and just started college during summer. There have been numerous occassions I could have gotten sex. Did I? NO. Cause I can be responsible and at least use have my brain besides the one that just controls reproduction. What the hell is the point of porking every girl that offers it to you? I guess some people don't mind living that way, but I need a deeper love than that in my life.

<-- 18 year old virgin and damn proud of it.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you the end result of testosterone build-up.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I dunno. I think they real controversy in the USA is that a majority of Americans cannot believe that children (11+ in this case) are sexual beings. People are not sexual until the night of their wedding. Such is what most parents want to believe. To provide BC to pre-teens is to admit they want to engage in sexual activity, and that just does not fit with our puritanical paradigm here in the USA. I think the reality is, and this may shock many of you, is that humans are sexual from as far back as the womb, and that has been documented. But being sexual is a chemical/hormonal instinct. The power and maturity to grant consent is a completely different issue. Hence AoC laws that are necessary and need enforcement. Does giving BC fly in the face of this? Does it grant consent where it should and does not exist? These issues are the heart of the matter IMO.

Go to Europe, and you can get BC in the form of pills, condoms, etc. from just about anywhere for free. Then again, it is socialized health care.

Go to Germany and you see their "Mach's Mit" condom ad campaign just about everywhere. It's brilliant. http://www.machsmit.de/

whats so great about it?

 

[InflatableBuddha]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
So, what, we want to encourage such behavior? :roll:

Brilliant...

Education and protection works. Teaching that sex is evil doesn't.

I'm not saying it is evil in of itself. But just flippantly having sex isn't good. Sex outside of marriage is wrong. Heck if everyone abided by that and only had sex in marriage we wouldn't have these problems with STDs and AIDS and such.

But then asking people to have self-control is just too much isn't it....

Exercising self-control has done wonders for Catholic priests and publicly homophobic, closeted gay Republicans!

But they're not creating new voters with their activity :shocked:

WTF is this new voter BS ive seen it mentioned a few times in this thread

Dave is looking for new recruits for the left...wrong forum for that. I was merely demonstrating how so-called "self control" is horribly ineffective. Way to kill my joke, Dave! :roll:

 

[InflatableBuddha]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I dunno. I think they real controversy in the USA is that a majority of Americans cannot believe that children (11+ in this case) are sexual beings. People are not sexual until the night of their wedding. Such is what most parents want to believe. To provide BC to pre-teens is to admit they want to engage in sexual activity, and that just does not fit with our puritanical paradigm here in the USA. I think the reality is, and this may shock many of you, is that humans are sexual from as far back as the womb, and that has been documented. But being sexual is a chemical/hormonal instinct. The power and maturity to grant consent is a completely different issue. Hence AoC laws that are necessary and need enforcement. Does giving BC fly in the face of this? Does it grant consent where it should and does not exist? These issues are the heart of the matter IMO.

Go to Europe, and you can get BC in the form of pills, condoms, etc. from just about anywhere for free. Then again, it is socialized health care.

Go to Germany and you see their "Mach's Mit" condom ad campaign just about everywhere. It's brilliant. http://www.machsmit.de/

:thumbsup: Best response so far.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
So, what, we want to encourage such behavior? :roll:

Brilliant...

Education and protection works. Teaching that sex is evil doesn't.

I'm not saying it is evil in of itself. But just flippantly having sex isn't good. Sex outside of marriage is wrong. Heck if everyone abided by that and only had sex in marriage we wouldn't have these problems with STDs and AIDS and such.

But then asking people to have self-control is just too much isn't it....

Exercising self-control has done wonders for Catholic priests and publicly homophobic, closeted gay Republicans!

But they're not creating new voters with their activity :shocked:

WTF is this new voter BS ive seen it mentioned a few times in this thread

Dave is looking for new recruits for the left...wrong forum for that. I was merely demonstrating how so-called "self control" is horribly ineffective. Way to kill my joke, Dave! :roll:

the joke sucked anyway...just like the alter boys!

 

[InflatableBuddha]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
So, what, we want to encourage such behavior? :roll:

Brilliant...

Education and protection works. Teaching that sex is evil doesn't.

I'm not saying it is evil in of itself. But just flippantly having sex isn't good. Sex outside of marriage is wrong. Heck if everyone abided by that and only had sex in marriage we wouldn't have these problems with STDs and AIDS and such.

But then asking people to have self-control is just too much isn't it....

Exercising self-control has done wonders for Catholic priests and publicly homophobic, closeted gay Republicans!

But they're not creating new voters with their activity :shocked:

WTF is this new voter BS ive seen it mentioned a few times in this thread

Dave is looking for new recruits for the left...wrong forum for that. I was merely demonstrating how so-called "self control" is horribly ineffective. Way to kill my joke, Dave! :roll:

the joke sucked anyway...just like the alter boys!

Lolz...8/10 :laugh:

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I'm more concerned about the effect the hormones will have on kids so young. Are there any studies on that?

Very good question.

Precisely. My GF's mother wanted to put my GF on birth control. Me and my GF talked about it and we firmly refused. She's not finished developing yet and there is no way in hell I would make her start dumping more horomones in her body than she's already giving (processed meats etc.).

The thing that bothers me in modern society is the readiness parents have with dumping horomones and untested drugs in their daughter's bodies for the sake of "protecting" them, with no knowledge of what it will do to them. Does anyone know what 35-40 years of birth control could do to a woman? I sure as hell don't want my GF to be part of the study that finds out.

Thats why we both went to her mother and firmly told her we didn't want her on it. We are both dedicated to remaining virgins till we're married anyways. And if we did get caught up in it then "I" would take responsibility and use protection.

It's the same with ADD, ADHD, birth control; all this crap that parents think they can put in their pre/post-pubescent children and it won't affect them.

I have a deep resentment for people my age and younger, but simultaneously I have a worse resentment for their parents. People always say that these kids today are getting worse and worse, but I'm far more disgusted with the parents.

If I were one of her parents, I'd have told you to STFU and GTFO. I don't see why you should have a say in the matter, it's between her and her parents.
You need to get down from your high horse.

I do not have to sit idly by and watch my future wife get pumped full of drugs for a habit she has no intention of starting.

If I seem like I'm on a "high horse" then I apologize. But we don't all believe the way you do. We don't always think that sex whenever you want is a good practice. Why should she have horomones stuffed down her throat if she has no intention of engaging in sex anyways?

Luckily the parents have more sense than you do, and can listen when it matters. Heck, they're deaf and they apparently listen better than you do.

:laugh:
It's funny that you don't seem to realize you have a horrible superiority complex. Hopefully my daughters will have better taste than to date someone like you.

Only in certain things. I do realize that at times I can get a big head.. who doesn't?

At the same time, I know several forum members here that can kick my rear in advanced mathematics. I certainly don't try to contest that.

But tell me this: If you know that you are not going to have sex with your GF, that you know you both will avoid it till marriage, and that you therefore know that your GF is not going to be having sex, should she be forced to take birth control pills?

Your gf is probably having sex with other people, fyi. She should be on the pill! Her parents know what's up.

Who listens to you about women I don't need to have a superiority complex to know that I understand women far better than you do. Even if I am younger.

Age != Wisdom.. Simply gives you a better chance.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
I'm more concerned about the effect the hormones will have on kids so young. Are there any studies on that?

Very good question.

Precisely. My GF's mother wanted to put my GF on birth control. Me and my GF talked about it and we firmly refused. She's not finished developing yet and there is no way in hell I would make her start dumping more horomones in her body than she's already giving (processed meats etc.).

The thing that bothers me in modern society is the readiness parents have with dumping horomones and untested drugs in their daughter's bodies for the sake of "protecting" them, with no knowledge of what it will do to them. Does anyone know what 35-40 years of birth control could do to a woman? I sure as hell don't want my GF to be part of the study that finds out.

Thats why we both went to her mother and firmly told her we didn't want her on it. We are both dedicated to remaining virgins till we're married anyways. And if we did get caught up in it then "I" would take responsibility and use protection.

It's the same with ADD, ADHD, birth control; all this crap that parents think they can put in their pre/post-pubescent children and it won't affect them.

I have a deep resentment for people my age and younger, but simultaneously I have a worse resentment for their parents. People always say that these kids today are getting worse and worse, but I'm far more disgusted with the parents.

If I were one of her parents, I'd have told you to STFU and GTFO. I don't see why you should have a say in the matter, it's between her and her parents.
You need to get down from your high horse.

I do not have to sit idly by and watch my future wife get pumped full of drugs for a habit she has no intention of starting.

If I seem like I'm on a "high horse" then I apologize. But we don't all believe the way you do. We don't always think that sex whenever you want is a good practice. Why should she have horomones stuffed down her throat if she has no intention of engaging in sex anyways?

Luckily the parents have more sense than you do, and can listen when it matters. Heck, they're deaf and they apparently listen better than you do.

:laugh:
It's funny that you don't seem to realize you have a horrible superiority complex. Hopefully my daughters will have better taste than to date someone like you.

Only in certain things. I do realize that at times I can get a big head.. who doesn't?

At the same time, I know several forum members here that can kick my rear in advanced mathematics. I certainly don't try to contest that.

But tell me this: If you know that you are not going to have sex with your GF, that you know you both will avoid it till marriage, and that you therefore know that your GF is not going to be having sex, should she be forced to take birth control pills?

Your gf is probably having sex with other people, fyi. She should be on the pill! Her parents know what's up.

Who listens to you about women I don't need to have a superiority complex to know that I understand women far better than you do. Even if I am younger.

Age != Wisdom.. Simply gives you a better chance.

judging by your post you have a lot of learning to do.

ahh to be young and nieve again.