Michael Moore trashes "American Sniper"

[JimKiler]

He at least has to courtesy to make them entertaining to watch. Alex Jones, on the other hand, could put a crack addict to sleep with his boring garbage. If I am going to watch garbage, it had better be entertaining!

Agreed, granted i have not watched anything after Bowling for Columbine but he is entertaining and made me laugh. Too bad he cannot state the truth in his movies since he does have talent.

 

[Brainonska511]

Wasn't this the sniper with the most confirmed kills in US history? That guy was from vietnam. Unless somebody overtook him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hathcock

this is the guy I thought the movie was about.

 

[TreVader]

How can you even begin to make a judgement about the guy when you haven't even read his book or seen the Movie?

Read my posts, I said I was deferring judgment on the man personally until after I see the movie. I said this right after it was confirmed that it was Kyle and not Hathcock.

 

[TreVader]

We caused the war that began almost two decades before we became involved? The mind, she is boggled.

Can't wait for your next opus, how America caused Genghis Khan.

We escalated it to the world stage. The french had lost their war against the Viet Ming, how can you suggest that we were not responsible for a war in which 50,000 Americans lost their lives in some country 11,000 miles away that nobody had even heard of?


Would America have been invaded by the NVA had we not invaded?



I'm curious if you will actually answer a single question or just continue making ridiculous analogies. So the US being responsible for Vietnam is comparable to blaming them for Ghengis Khan? What a joke!

You criticize me for not researching my arguments, but yours don't even address the questions at hand. Its all slight of hand BS.

 

[Rakehellion]

You are taking a small view on the issue, only looking at the man. The US government gave him the training, the missions, and the license to perform those acts. As the movie shows, it caused him terrible psychological issues. He was used as a vessel to kill for people that gave the order. You can't belittle him without examining the mechanisms behind his acts, us and our government.

When a Nazi or suicide bomber does it, they're evil savages.

When an American sniper does it, he's mentally disturbed and just following orders. It's the system that has forsaken him.

 

[JimKiler]

Also people are getting bent out of shape but from the twitter posts i only see Moore commenting on his own family. Can he give us an actual review or can we not state this is his review of the film.

 

[smackababy]

It looks like Seth Rogen has jumped on the idiot bandwagon. On Twitter he likened American Sniper to the Nazi propaganda film shown in Inglorious Bastards. I suppose he is butthurt American Sniper made more money in one weekend than his movie lost for movie studios.

 

[Brovane]

Read my posts, I said I was deferring judgment on the man personally until after I see the movie. I said this right after it was confirmed that it was Kyle and not Hathcock.

If you really want to understand what he went through and begin to understand his motivations you have to read his book.

 

[Brovane]

When a Nazi or suicide bomber does it, they're evil savages.

When an American sniper does it, he's mentally disturbed and just following orders. It's the system that has forsaken him.

So a sniper that shots and kills a enemy combatant is the same as a suicide bomber that walks into a crowded restaurant and detonates a suicide vest?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Micheal Moore can go die in a fire for being such an Obama apologist.

 

[JimKiler]

So a sniper that shots and kills a enemy combatant is the same as a suicide bomber that walks into a crowded restaurant and detonates a suicide vest?

Yes, being a defensive shooter is the same as the unprovoked women and children brainwashed into doing suicide bombings. /sarcasm.

 

[Rakehellion]

So a sniper that shots and kills a enemy combatant is the same as a suicide bomber that walks into a crowded restaurant and detonates a suicide vest?

Are they mentally ill or are they savages? Pick one.

 

[TreVader]

Yes, being a defensive shooter is the same as the unprovoked women and children brainwashed into doing suicide bombings. /sarcasm.

Suicide bombing is a solution to a problem: How to reliably get explosives onto a target.


In the west, we have guided munitions. They don't, what do you expect them to do to reliably get say 2,000lbs of RDX onto a target? Most of the organizations that use SVBIEDs don't even have any air force at all, nor any artilliary, nor any guided missiles. What the fuck do you expect them to do? Invent and build clandestine guided munitions overnight?


There is no other option. And the bombers themselves tend to be brainwashed or even forced into doing it. This american guy volunteered to kill people, how is that any more noble than giving your life, guaranteed, for your nation?

 

[rommelrommel]

Simo Häyhä had 505 confirmed kills, is he a sociopath too?

 

[moonbogg]

Suicide bombing is a solution to a problem: How to reliably get explosives onto a target.


In the west, we have guided munitions. They don't, what do you expect them to do to reliably get say 2,000lbs of RDX onto a target? Most of the organizations that use SVBIEDs don't even have any air force at all, nor any artilliary, nor any guided missiles. What the fuck do you expect them to do? Invent and build clandestine guided munitions overnight?


There is no other option. And the bombers themselves tend to be brainwashed or even forced into doing it. This american guy volunteered to kill people, how is that any more noble than giving your life, guaranteed, for your nation?

In the West, we assume that if they had advanced weaponry, they would still choose AND prefer to use suicide vests and car bombs while screaming some garbled shit in Arabic. That's what they would still do, right?

 

[rommelrommel]

Suicide bombing is a solution to a problem: How to reliably get explosives onto a target.


In the west, we have guided munitions. They don't, what do you expect them to do to reliably get say 2,000lbs of RDX onto a target? Most of the organizations that use SVBIEDs don't even have any air force at all, nor any artilliary, nor any guided missiles. What the fuck do you expect them to do? Invent and build clandestine guided munitions overnight?


There is no other option. And the bombers themselves tend to be brainwashed or even forced into doing it. This american guy volunteered to kill people, how is that any more noble than giving your life, guaranteed, for your nation?

When suicide bombers start attacking military targets instead of schools and public transit you might have a point here.

 

[unokitty]

Suicide bombing is a solution to a problem: How to reliably get explosives onto a target...

There is no other option. And the bombers themselves tend to be brainwashed or even forced into doing it. This american guy volunteered to kill people, how is that any more noble than giving your life, guaranteed, for your nation?

How many Nobel Peace Prizes have your suicide bombers won?

Uno

 

[TreVader]

When suicide bombers start attacking military targets instead of schools and public transit you might have a point here.

NSFW x 10

http://www.military.com/video/opera...uicide-bomber-attacks-saa-base/2553625304001/


One of HUNDREDs of suicide bombing in just the last 3 years done against The Syrian Army. ISIS gets suicide bombed!


It is a weapon, like any other. We look down on it because we can, they don't have the option to just shoot a missile or drop a bomb. And yes they do target military bases.

 

[sm625]

american-sniper-in-perspective

 

[TreVader]

In the West, we assume that if they had advanced weaponry, they would still choose AND prefer to use suicide vests and car bombs while screaming some garbled shit in Arabic. That's what they would still do, right?

Do you see the Saudi or Egyptian Army using them? They don't need to, they have sweet ass american guided missiles that don't even require them to kill themselves.



I have an idea, why don't we supply the Jihadis with guided munitions so they stop suicide bombing? If it's suicide bombing that everybody here has a problem with, and not soldiers dying, then it will be much more palatable if a GRAL or SCUD blows the shit out of a checkpoint instead of a jihadi, right?:hmm:

 

[Brovane]

Are they mentally ill or are they savages? Pick one.

Neither.....They are a soldier engaging enemy combatants.

 

[Brovane]

Do you see the Saudi or Egyptian Army using them? They don't need to, they have sweet ass american guided missiles that don't even require them to kill themselves.



I have an idea, why don't we supply the Jihadis with guided munitions so they stop suicide bombing? If it's suicide bombing that everybody here has a problem with, and not soldiers dying, then it will be much more palatable if a GRAL or SCUD blows the shit out of a checkpoint instead of a jihadi, right?:hmm:

You miss the point. It isn't the suicide bombing that is the issue. It is when a suicide bomber walks into a shopping district and detonates his vest with no regard to collateral damage or fires rockets at a country with no regard to where they might land.

 

[Rakehellion]

You miss the point. It isn't the suicide bombing that is the issue. It is when a suicide bomber walks into a shopping district and detonates his vest with no regard to collateral damage or fires rockets at a country with no regard to where they might land.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks

 

[ivwshane]

NSFW x 10

http://www.military.com/video/opera...uicide-bomber-attacks-saa-base/2553625304001/


One of HUNDREDs of suicide bombing in just the last 3 years done against The Syrian Army. ISIS gets suicide bombed!


It is a weapon, like any other. We look down on it because we can, they don't have the option to just shoot a missile or drop a bomb. And yes they do target military bases.

I don't think people are capable of seeing your point. It's why when gun nutters post pictures of their children holding guns people often counter their picture with a "terrorist" and his kid holding a gun, they don't get the similarity. One mans terrorist is another mans martyr.

 

[TreVader]

You miss the point. It isn't the suicide bombing that is the issue. It is when a suicide bomber walks into a shopping district and detonates his vest with no regard to collateral damage or fires rockets at a country with no regard to where they might land.

Israel flattened entire city blocks and dropped cluster munitions on civilians, which still to this day kill people in Lebanon. They killed THOUSANDS of civilians.

If you would like, I can link you to a video of Israel shelling civilians and killing a UN observer. Not a single combatant in sight, even though the video is like 5 minutes long and the dude wanders all over the area where people died. 17 dead civilians 200 injured one strike and the Israelis don't even have to set foot in Lebanon to do it.

It's disgusting, just like the suicide bombers. Where is your condemnation for Israel's wanton razing of city blocks?