Maine Shooting dozens dead or injured.

[HomerJS]

Fox News Sunday didn’t even discuss Maine. They mentioned victims for literally 5 seconds and immediately pivoted to homicides and crime everywhere and blamed it all on Democrats

A clinic on how to keep your viewers brainwashed almost exactly like I predicted.

 

[HomerJS]

The new Speaker says the human heart is responsible not the guns.

Question why are the hearts of Americans more deprived than the rest of developed nations?

 

[uallas5]

The new Speaker says the human heart is responsible not the guns.

Question why are the hearts of Americans more deprived than the rest of developed nations?

They don't seem to get the fact that by saying it's not guns, they're essentially saying that Americans are a bunch of violent sociopaths and most of the world's citizens are better than us.

 

[Moonbeam]

That would be pretty tough if they were locked up in a safe. If they were not locked and easily stolen I would hold you equally responsible for any crime committed with them

Safes are rather expensive and can be broken into. Burglary rates are fairly low where I live. A fair sized asteroid could wipe out half the state. I will eventually have trigger locks when and if I finish my gunsmithing career. My AR uses a ten round clip, max Ca. legal, five more than the clip that is legal for a far far more powerful dear rifle. I built it for long distance, .223 target shooting. It's deadly but basically 22 caliber. You can do much more damage with a larger caliber hunting rifle than I could with mine.

I think the mentally ill are interested in mass killings because of rage. They want to punish the world for the hurt they feel. They don't know the hurt they feel is because they believe the lie they are worthless. A pretty much non existent person simply devoted to achieving I high death toll without feeling any rage could probably kill a huge number of people. All self haters want to do is end their inner pain, punish and die by cop or their own hand. They want to get even for being disrespected.

 

[Moonbeam]

The new Speaker says the human heart is responsible not the guns.

Question why are the hearts of Americans more deprived than the rest of developed nations?

Ask the Speaker. he's the one projecting.

The speaker is a fundamentalist Christen riddled with feelings of sin and guilt. He believes that would believing in God we would all be acting out like devils. His fear is that without faith in God we would all act like vicious animals when in fact it's believing that they makes us that way. He's a conditioned fanatic, the one who is really dangerous to everyone else.

 

[Moonbeam]

That would be pretty tough if they were locked up in a safe. If they were not locked and easily stolen I would hold you equally responsible for any crime committed with them

Safes are rather expensive and can be broken into. Burglary rates are fairly low where I live. A fair sized asteroid could wipe out half the state. I will eventually have trigger locks when and if I finish my gunsmithing career. My AR uses a ten round clip, max Ca. legal

llooooooolllllllllll ancient. Yup 300 years is ancient.

And us gun takers would call for a ban on Japanese pottery if there was mass murders committed by pottery.

I'd still love Japanese pottery and so long as legal keep any I have. And survival of the fittest has been directing evolution for billions of years. Do you eat meat? If you do you don't give a shit about the planet, right?

 

[HomerJS]

Safes are rather expensive and can be broken into. Burglary rates are fairly low where I live. A fair sized asteroid could wipe out half the state. I will eventually have trigger locks when and if I finish my gunsmithing career. My AR uses a ten round clip, max Ca. legal, five more than the clip that is legal for a far far more powerful dear rifle. I built it for long distance, .223 target shooting. It's deadly but basically 22 caliber. You can do much more damage with a larger caliber hunting rifle than I could with mine.

I think the mentally ill are interested in mass killings because of rage. They want to punish the world for the hurt they feel. They don't know the hurt they feel is because they believe the lie they are worthless. A pretty much non existent person simply devoted to achieving I high death toll without feeling any rage could probably kill a huge number of people. All self haters want to do is end their inner pain, punish and die by cop or their own hand. They want to get even for being disrespected.

If someone breaks into your safe I would not hold you responsible.

However, think anyone will spend the time it takes to break into your safe after breaking into the house not knowing what’s in there?

 

[repoman0]

Yes, well, the whole foundation of everything I know as being worth while came as a result of the death of emotional investment. It does not surprise me you would see just that reflected back. As you should know the my definition of the liberal brain defect is to see the other as stupid, because it's the very thing that people who think they are rational fear to discover. For a liberal stupid is just another word for how they were made to feel worthless.

I am not only fairly sure I am not actually stupid although I have always felt that way, (see above) but with time and experience have learned not to really care if I an or not. Monkeys are kind of stupid too but they have lots of joy in being.

I post to save liberals from the delusion that mental illness and not guns is the cause of gun violence. You argue that gun numbers are the primary issue. I have no problem with statistical facts. But you can't see the forest for the trees when it comes to mental health, naturally in my opinion.

Honestly, you are a joke at this point. Obviously mental illness is the cause, but you will never “solve” mental illness so you might as well solve guns like the rest of the developed world.

Kind of seems like most of your positions that you hold are pro-misery and death. Pro climate collapse because nuclear is scary. Pro homelessness because development ruins your neighborhood. Pro mass death because gun control is emotionally triggering to you. You boomers can’t go away quickly enough.

I don't think you are stupid. I think you lack the experiences that would open your eyes. If true it couldn't be otherwise.

… and yet again a self righteous condescending prick.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes, well, the whole foundation of everything I know as being worth while came as a result of the death of emotional investment. It does not surprise me you would see just that reflected back. As you should know the my definition of the liberal brain defect is to see the other as stupid, because it's the very thing that people who think they are rational fear to discover. For a liberal stupid is just another word for how they were made to feel worthless.

I am not only fairly sure I am not actually stupid although I have always felt that way, (see above) but with time and experience have learned not to really care if I an or not. Monkeys are kind of stupid too but they have lots of joy in being.

I post to save liberals from the delusion that mental illness and not guns is the cause of gun violence. You argue that gun numbers are the primary issue. I have no problem with statistical facts. But you can't see the forest for the trees when it comes to mental health, naturally in my opinion.

I don't think you are stupid. I think you lack the experiences that would open your eyes. If true it couldn't be otherwise.

This is all just sad to me. You’re emotionally invested in owning a gun so you invent reasons to justify it.

I’m sure you will make up a dozen different reasons as to why it’s not you denying reality and really it’s all us not getting it but in your heart you know.

 

[Moonbeam]

Honestly, you are a joke at this point. Obviously mental illness is the cause, but you will never “solve” mental illness so you might as well solve guns like the rest of the developed world.

You sound emotionally triggered. Every conservative, faced with liberal rationality will scream it’s a mental illness joke, and of course have no argument to back it up. What is a joke? What is mental illness. How do they apply to me except in your highly emotional opinion. I define emotional here as highly charged ad hominem attacks.

Notice that when I describe others I state it as my opinion. I don’t have your need to be right. I believe it is because I am not only far more emotionally secure than you are, and thus far more open to truth.

Kind of seems like most of your positions that you hold are pro-misery and death. Pro climate collapse because nuclear is scary. Pro homelessness because development ruins your neighborhood. Pro mass death because gun control is emotionally triggering to you. You boomers can’t go away quickly enough.

You also seem to lack analytical skills. I have made my objections very clear. I am not fearful of nuclear energy. I oppose it on the endless cost overruns that always accompany construction, the endless on sight storage of caustic materials, the endless lack of clean up of historic leaks, the endless problems finding long term storage, the fast development of green alternatives, and the fear of ordinary people who will go to the ends of the earth to insure someone other than themselves gets to live close to the risk. Let me add, fuck you.

I make a similar case with housing. As soon as you get your piece of paradise you will close the door behind you. Right now you are just an envious prick. Move a homeless person into your home. I have already done that and also pay all of the bills. I want to rebuild the world in such a way that job and survival are separated, where people don’t have to live in high density because it’s the only way they can find work. I grew up wild, exploring a natural world of open spaces and nature. My world was a garden of eden. I got to lay on green grass and watch the clouds float by. I know what it is to be beyond time, to experience the body electric. What in your world is alive? Here, you may see I have no need to say fuck you. It’s.been taken care of independently.

I also favor gun control. I do not favor attempts by liberals to ban gun ownership. But you lie about my positions because you’ve got nothing to argue against them. Fuck yourself.

… and yet again a self righteous condescending prick.

Now do I sound triggered? Come on, pretty clear to me who is the self righteous prick. But then as an generation bigot, what would one expect. As long as humans exist, so will I. There is one truth and it applies to us all.

May the bird of happiness fly up your nose.

 

[repoman0]

You sound emotionally triggered. Every conservative, faced with liberal rationality will scream it’s a mental illness joke, and of course have no argument to back it up. What is a joke? What is mental illness. How do they apply to me except in your highly emotional opinion. I define emotional here as highly charged ad hominem attacks.

Notice that when I describe others I state it as my opinion. I don’t have your need to be right. I believe it is because I am not only far more emotionally secure than you are, and thus far more open to truth.

You also seem to lack analytical skills. I have made my objections very clear. I am not fearful of nuclear energy. I oppose it on the endless cost overruns that always accompany construction, the endless on sight storage of caustic materials, the endless lack of clean up of historic leaks, the endless problems finding long term storage, the fast development of green alternatives, and the fear of ordinary people who will go to the ends of the earth to insure someone other than themselves gets to live close to the risk. Let me add, fuck you.

I make a similar case with housing. As soon as you get your piece of paradise you will close the door behind you. Right now you are just an envious prick. Move a homeless person into your home. I have already done that and also pay all of the bills. I want to rebuild the world in such a way that job and survival are separated, where people don’t have to live in high density because it’s the only way they can find work. I grew up wild, exploring a natural world of open spaces and nature. My world was a garden of eden. I got to lay on green grass and watch the clouds float by. I know what it is to be beyond time, to experience the body electric. What in your world is alive? Here, you may see I have no need to say fuck you. It’s.been taken care of independently.

I also favor gun control. I do not favor attempts by liberals to ban gun ownership. But you lie about my positions because you’ve got nothing to argue against them. Fuck yourself.



Now do I sound triggered? Come on, pretty clear to me who is the self righteous prick. But then as an generation bigot, what would one expect. As long as humans exist, so will I. There is one truth and it applies to us all.

May the bird of happiness fly up your nose.

TLDR. Miserable bastard.

 

[eelw]

TLDR

Lol it isnt a Sportage post.

But kudos to Moonie opening his home to a homeless person. But such a selfish prick that he values his metal penis over the hundreds of children lost in these mass shootings. Simply saying he supports gun restrictions isn’t enough at this point.

 

[Moonbeam]

This is all just sad to me. You’re emotionally invested in owning a gun so you invent reasons to justify it.

I’m sure you will make up a dozen different reasons as to why it’s not you denying reality and really it’s all us not getting it but in your heart you know.

So what do you make of the argument I have responded to you with previously regarding this point, that everything that I know I know because I was unable to prove that anything I was emotionally invested in was anything but utter bull shit? Guns mean nothing to me other than as I have described. I love Asian ceramics. I may have a few pieces, not worth much, but attractive to me. They are just things. Do you know the story of the Zen master and his favorite tea cup, a masterful expression of Zen made manifest. His servant child came to him one day and asked why do things have to die. The master said, "Everything has to die." The boy replied, "It was time for your tea cup to die." Guns are of no importance to me. What is important to me is your attachment to them and your inability to let go of them and see it is the attachment you can't rid yourself of that makes you imagine it is me that is holding on. The gun that really matters to me the most in life, the one my cattle rustling grandfather owned, a Winchester 30-30, was was likely stolen when I was a child. It used to sit right outside the garage door into the house along with his shotgun and I used to play with it from time to time. I would love to have it but the emotional loss that I feel not having that bit of heritage, while intense, in the overarching scheme of my life amounts to the minuscule. Take what is given. Give what can't be taken. There is no spoon.

Maybe I should add that did I own guns or no by opinion would be unaffected just as my feelings about taxing old people out of their homes on the pretext that they now are real estate rich entitles others to push them away form the communities they settled in long ago with no notion that one day they would be in the cat bird seat would be different if I were homeless myself. Everything with me is a moral stance unaffected by my personal condition. It's called having principles.

 

[Pens1566]

It still baffles me that anyone tries to engage that nutjob.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

They don't seem to get the fact that by saying it's not guns, they're essentially saying that Americans are a bunch of violent sociopaths and most of the world's citizens are better than us.

Close, Americans are a bunch of violent sociopaths, and most of the worlds citizens are repressed

 

[fskimospy]

So what do you make of the argument I have responded to you with previously regarding this point, that everything that I know I know because I was unable to prove that anything I was emotionally invested in was anything but utter bull shit? Guns mean nothing to me other than as I have described. I love Asian ceramics. I may have a few pieces, not worth much, but attractive to me. They are just things. Do you know the story of the Zen master and his favorite tea cup, a masterful expression of Zen made manifest. His servant child came to him one day and asked why do things have to die. The master said, "Everything has to die." The boy replied, "It was time for your tea cup to die." Guns are of no importance to me. What is important to me is your attachment to them and your inability to let go of them and see it is the attachment you can't rid yourself of that makes you imagine it is me that is holding on. The gun that really matters to me the most in life, the one my cattle rustling grandfather owned, a Winchester 30-30, was was likely stolen when I was a child. It used to sit right outside the garage door into the house along with his shotgun and I used to play with it from time to time. I would love to have it but the emotional loss that I feel not having that bit of heritage, while intense, in the overarching scheme of my life amounts to the minuscule. Take what is given. Give what can't be taken. There is no spoon.

Maybe I should add that did I own guns or no by opinion would be unaffected just as my feelings about taxing old people out of their homes on the pretext that they now are real estate rich entitles others to push them away form the communities they settled in long ago with no notion that one day they would be in the cat bird seat would be different if I were homeless myself. Everything with me is a moral stance unaffected by my personal condition. It's called having principles.

I sincerely hope this is a lie because if not then endorsing a situation where tens of thousands of people die yearly when you don’t even care about it is monstrous.

And yes I know you think people who have become enormously wealthy by creating a situation of mass homelessness should be further financially rewarded with special lower taxes on their windfall. I just think that makes you an immoral person.

 

[Stokely]

They don't seem to get the fact that by saying it's not guns, they're essentially saying that Americans are a bunch of violent sociopaths and most of the world's citizens are better than us.

You'll notice that hand-in-hand with "mental illness is the problem, not the guns" comes "we need more Jesus back in school, that's the core issue."

Just don't ask the question "In what developed country is there a more religious public than the U.S?"

If it's not the guns, then it's a basic defect in Americans and it ain't Jesus or any other religious figure not being in school. Pick one.

Fact is, people want their military-style weaponry and we are one of the few countries that allow it. They'll say a number of silly things as reasons including "to protect against the tyranny of the govt" LOL but end of the day, they want guns like some of us collect guitars or cars. 50 times the number of people could be dying yearly and it wouldn't change that many people's minds, not until their kids are the ones killed....and then only maybe.

 

[Moonbeam]

Lol it isnt a Sportage post.

But kudos to Moonie opening his home to a homeless person. But such a selfish prick that he values his metal penis over the hundreds of children lost in these mass shootings. Simply saying he supports gun restrictions isn’t enough at this point.

Why is it not enough. Would you say that tighter regulations on gun sales to any and all would not represent a measure of progress. Do you believe the perfect should be the enemy of the good, or the possible not be sought because it is insufficient. What is politics but finding the possible in compromise? Thanks for the complement.

I sincerely hope this is a lie because if not then endorsing a situation where tens of thousands of people die yearly when you don’t even care about it is monstrous.

And yes I know you think people who have become enormously wealthy by creating a situation of mass homelessness should be further financially rewarded with special lower taxes on their windfall. I just think that makes you an immoral person.

You lie when you say I don't care. I believe it is you that doesn't care. What kind of society would eject its elderly from homes whose current property value and thus tax appraisal rates beyond anything they could ever have comprehended and has nothing to do with them on the pretext that the plight of the less fortunate should be born by them. What you will create is a society in which only high income earners will live in the best neighborhoods and old people will join the homeless as they are ejected from their neighborhoods including their medical and emotional support systems.

You see only density as the answer because you are unwilling yourself to pay the price of real change. You are a winner in the system as it is. I understand why you would like to preserve your financial status and social position rather than revolting against the entire system. As long as a job is required for a person to survive with any level of dignity, there will be homelessness. It is baked right into the system you hope high density will fix. There are not enough jobs for everybody to prosper and not enough wealth for everybody to happily retire and most of the jobs that their are will concentrate around densely populated places and push out from there. Your answer is to feed this cancer. I want to cut it out.

And it's the same with guns. We can only have technical answers like banning guns. We lack the wisdom to fix mental health, big surprise, so let's not address the real cause, the utter madness our cultural system creates. I mean, gosh, it's not your psychological ignorance and profound need to avoid mental issues that is the real problem, right?

Why do I know what you do not? I have no idea. I got run down in the middle of the road by a freight train called Grace. You can't control that train but you can step into the road. Seeing is all about need. Only a diver will find a pearl. What does your heart desire?

 

[fskimospy]

Why is it not enough. Would you say that tighter regulations on gun sales to any and all would not represent a measure of progress. Do you believe the perfect should be the enemy of the good, or the possible not be sought because it is insufficient. What is politics but finding the possible in compromise? Thanks for the complement.

You lie when you say I don't care. I believe it is you that doesn't care. What kind of society would eject its elderly from homes whose current property value and thus tax appraisal rates beyond anything they could ever have comprehended and has nothing to do with them on the pretext that the plight of the less fortunate should be born by them. What you will create is a society in which only high income earners will live in the best neighborhoods and old people will join the homeless as they are ejected from their neighborhoods including their medical and emotional support systems.

You see only density as the answer because you are unwilling yourself to pay the price of real change. You are a winner in the system as it is. I understand why you would like to preserve your financial status and social position rather than revolting against the entire system. As long as a job is required for a person to survive with any level of dignity, there will be homelessness. It is baked right into the system you hope high density will fix. There are not enough jobs for everybody to prosper and not enough wealth for everybody to happily retire and most of the jobs that their are will concentrate around densely populated places and push out from there. Your answer is to feed this cancer. I want to cut it out.

And it's the same with guns. We can only have technical answers like banning guns. We lack the wisdom to fix mental health, big surprise, so let's not address the real cause, the utter madness our cultural system creates. I mean, gosh, it's not your psychological ignorance and profound need to avoid mental issues that is the real problem, right?

Why do I know what you do not? I have no idea. I got run down in the middle of the road by a freight train called Grace. You can't control that train but you can step into the road. Seeing is all about need. Only a diver will find a pearl. What does your heart desire?

Yes, I understand you’re a bad person who wants to further enrich the winners and condemn even more people to homelessness and destitution.

You don’t need to repeat how bad a person you are, we get it!

 

[Moonbeam]

Yes, I understand you’re a bad person who wants to further enrich the winners and condemn even more people to homelessness and destitution.

You don’t need to repeat how bad a person you are, we get it!

One's notions of good and bad are delusions, sacred cows that when brought into the light melt away. Everything that you profess as evil you do so because of conditioning. You were taught to be a good boy who thinks of other people. Unfortunately, wanting to do that and knowing how are two different things. Your opinions are just another form of inculcated religious belief. You recite what is written on your blackboard believing it is your truth. The blackboard is my truth, wiped clean to reflect not thoughts but what is. To communicate with you I need words, words that don't mean anything or whatever you want them to. You want to see me as a person. I want to wisper in your ear. I am a nobody of no significance whatsoever.

I love who you are but I believe you can be much more. To be continued now and them.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

You'll notice that hand-in-hand with "mental illness is the problem, not the guns" comes "we need more Jesus back in school, that's the core issue."

Just don't ask the question "In what developed country is there a more religious public than the U.S?"

If it's not the guns, then it's a basic defect in Americans and it ain't Jesus or any other religious figure not being in school. Pick one.

Fact is, people want their military-style weaponry and we are one of the few countries that allow it. They'll say a number of silly things as reasons including "to protect against the tyranny of the govt" LOL but end of the day, they want guns like some of us collect guitars or cars. 50 times the number of people could be dying yearly and it wouldn't change that many people's minds, not until their kids are the ones killed....and then only maybe.

Not for everyone! There's at least dozens of us that blame Jesus for mental illness, or at least a bunch of it.

 

[gothuevos]

They don't seem to get the fact that by saying it's not guns, they're essentially saying that Americans are a bunch of violent sociopaths and most of the world's citizens are better than us.

Is he incorrect?

Historically we have always been a very violent nation/people.

 

[Sunburn74]

The new Speaker says the human heart is responsible not the guns.

Question why are the hearts of Americans more deprived than the rest of developed nations?

I guess other countries that doesn't deal with gun violence have better hearts? Or no hearts?
Not sure what his answer is there...

 

[WelshBloke]

So a person is responsible for the use of his firearm even if it's taken from them by force. Making the victim of a crime into the perpetrator. I'll go along with that, as long as we also implement family guilt. All family members are guilty of the crimes any one of them commit. Let go full North Korea and make it generational.

They'd be responsible for reporting it stolen as soon as possible.

 

[WelshBloke]

We create what we fear.

I had a nightmare that I was being chased by a giant killer carrot. I'm looking forward to creating that tbh.