Maine Shooting dozens dead or injured.

[fskimospy]

I didn't know anyone was proposing easier access to firearms, I'd absolutely be against that. Though I have to wonder if it matters. You can only shoot one gun at a time, does it really matter if you own three?
What we really need is people control, not gun control. Lets pass a federal law that using a gun in any way in the commission of a crime is a life sentence without parole, even if you didn't pull the trigger. Lets do the same with sales, break the rules when selling a gun is 20 years, no parole. If your weapon is lost or stolen through negligence, 5 years. Unregistered firearm, 5 years. None of this will solve the problem, but it will make a small dent.

More false statements. You can definitely shoot more than one gun at a time if you use both hands.

Why are you continuing to lie to people here!? Please edit and/or delete this post.

 

[Vic]

There's a reason why when liberals say they want to take guns out of the hands of criminals that Republicans respond with panic that liberals are try to take away with their guns.
And that reason is not what you might think.
Republicans don't support gun ownership for the reasons they claim to. They don't actually care about the 2a, because they cheer every time law enforcement kills a non-Republican just because the officer "saw a gun."
They don't own guns to protect against tyranny because the entire conservative agenda is about them becoming tyrants over everyone else.
They don't own guns to uphold the law or public safety, because they will forever defend violations of the law or public safety committed by one of their own.
And of course, the usual "laws don't work" and "when guns are outlawed only outlaws will own guns" arguments are super disingenuous coming from the crowd whose only solution to every other problem is more draconian law enforcement.
Nope, the only reason Republicans love their guns is so they can intimidate everyone else with them. They want your decision to be unarmed to make you a second class citizen under their implied threat of violence. They want you to believe that they are your beneficial protectors from a threat of violence that is largely of their own making. And most importantly, they want you to be afraid to go to the voting booth.

 

[fskimospy]

There's a reason why when liberals say they want to take guns out of the hands of criminals that Republicans respond with panic that liberals are try to take away with their guns.
And that reason is not what you might think.
Republicans don't support gun ownership for the reasons they claim to. They don't actually care about the 2a, because they cheer every time law enforcement kills a non-Republican because the officer "saw a gun."
They don't own guns to protect against tyranny because the entire conservative agenda is about them becoming tyrants over everyone else.
They don't own guns to uphold the law or public safety, because they will forever defend violations of the law or public safety by own of their own.
And of course, the usual "laws don't work" and "when guns are outlawed only outlaws will own guns" arguments are super disingenuous coming from the crowd whose only solutions to every other problem is more draconian law enforcement.
Nope, the only reason Republicans love their guns is so they can intimidate everyone else with them. They want your decision to be unarmed to make you a second class citizen under their implied threat of violence. They want you to believe that they are your benecificial protectors from a threat of violence that is largely their making. And most importantly, they want you to be afraid to go to the voting booth.

Of course it has nothing to do with safety or anything else - they deliberately ignore mountains of evidence that they make you less safe.

It’s the same as with climate change. They didn’t really don’t the science - they never cared about the science.

 

[Vic]

Another important thing to keep in mind is how distorted this entire argument is. While many liberals keep talking about banning guns, Republicans are actually fighting to MAINTAIN the current environment is where they can own as many guns as they want and buy and sell them like trading cards (often illegally).
Liberals need to come back to reality that the real battle lies in controlling the largely unregulated gun trade so popular with Republicans.
IOW, stop talking about banning gun ownership and start talking about how those patriotic gun-toting law-and-order Republicans have a lucrative side hustle selling guns to criminals.

 

[brycejones]

Wait, I thought they were the party of "personal responsibility". More lies?

They don’t have time to take responsibility for that lie.

 

[Vic]

Of course it has nothing to do with safety or anything else - they deliberately ignore mountains of evidence that they make you less safe.

It’s the same as with climate change. They didn’t really don’t the science - they never cared about the science.

That's because they don't care about truth at all. Such as with climate change, as that evidence piles up and the sea levels rise, they're now pivoting to blame their denialism on liberal alarmism in a fashion that would make Orwell blush.

 

[fskimospy]

That's because they don't care about truth at all. Such as with climate change, as that evidence piles up and the sea levels rise, they're now pivoting to blame their denialism on liberal alarmism in a fashion that would make Orwell blush.

As I always say you can tell conservatives know they fucked up when they stop denying it and start saying liberals made them do it. In the case of climate change I think their most common refrain is that liberals were too mean to them so they had no choice.

 

[Vic]

As I always say you can tell conservatives know they fucked up when they stop denying it and start saying liberals made them do it. In the case of climate change I think their most common refrain is that liberals were too mean to them so they had no choice.

The problem is that they never "know" they fuck up. They just retcon the narrative to make it so they can forget they were ever wrong.

 

[eelw]

Overcompensating for something I still say is why they need to wave around something else.

 

[ivwshane]

There's a reason why when liberals say they want to take guns out of the hands of criminals that Republicans respond with panic that liberals are try to take away with their guns.
And that reason is not what you might think.
Republicans don't support gun ownership for the reasons they claim to. They don't actually care about the 2a, because they cheer every time law enforcement kills a non-Republican just because the officer "saw a gun."
They don't own guns to protect against tyranny because the entire conservative agenda is about them becoming tyrants over everyone else.
They don't own guns to uphold the law or public safety, because they will forever defend violations of the law or public safety committed by one of their own.
And of course, the usual "laws don't work" and "when guns are outlawed only outlaws will own guns" arguments are super disingenuous coming from the crowd whose only solution to every other problem is more draconian law enforcement.
Nope, the only reason Republicans love their guns is so they can intimidate everyone else with them. They want your decision to be unarmed to make you a second class citizen under their implied threat of violence. They want you to believe that they are your beneficial protectors from a threat of violence that is largely of their own making. And most importantly, they want you to be afraid to go to the voting booth.

They are the tyrants they complain and worry about. It’s pure projection.

 

[ivwshane]

Overcompensating for something I still say is why they need to wave around something else.

Now this is when moonbeam comes in and tells us that conservatives were never loved when they were a child and that “tough love” was as close as they got, that and the preference of their parents to prefer inanimate objects over their kids.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yet take this same guy with same mental illness in Austrailia and up to 18 people are still alive today.

Why?

Probably because chert and flint can be flaked.

There's a reason why when liberals say they want to take guns out of the hands of criminals that Republicans respond with panic that liberals are try to take away with their guns.
And that reason is not what you might think.
Republicans don't support gun ownership for the reasons they claim to. They don't actually care about the 2a, because they cheer every time law enforcement kills a non-Republican just because the officer "saw a gun."
They don't own guns to protect against tyranny because the entire conservative agenda is about them becoming tyrants over everyone else.
They don't own guns to uphold the law or public safety, because they will forever defend violations of the law or public safety committed by one of their own.
And of course, the usual "laws don't work" and "when guns are outlawed only outlaws will own guns" arguments are super disingenuous coming from the crowd whose only solution to every other problem is more draconian law enforcement.
Nope, the only reason Republicans love their guns is so they can intimidate everyone else with them. They want your decision to be unarmed to make you a second class citizen under their implied threat of violence. They want you to believe that they are your beneficial protectors from a threat of violence that is largely of their own making. And most importantly, they want you to be afraid to go to the voting booth.

I think this is right on, but not inclusive of all gun owners. I think there are many Democrats who also want to retain their second amendment rights for much saner reasons. What I agree with mostly, is that a full on assault to ban guns is not the way to achieve progress and that seeking to eliminate the bad practices you describe is a road with potential. I believe in democratic elections and have no intention to intimidate anybody. I'm not interested in going to polling places with an AR over my shoulder making sure only the right people get to vote. Where I live, they already do.

 

[Moonbeam]

They are the tyrants they complain and worry about. It’s pure projection.

Fear is the motive power behind projection, the inability, the unwillingness, the fear of self realization that what we see outside, our view of the world, is simply how we were made to feel about ourselves. It's fascinates me that you can see the projection and not see the cause. But I have known that would be the case for most for many many years. It was how I once saw things too.

 

[fskimospy]

Probably because chert and flint can be flaked.

I think this is right on, but not inclusive of all gun owners. I think there are many Democrats who also want to retain their second amendment rights for much saner reasons. What I agree with mostly, is that a full on assault to ban guns is not the way to achieve progress and that seeking to eliminate the bad practices you describe is a road with potential. I believe in democratic elections and have no intention to intimidate anybody. I'm not interested in going to polling places with an AR over my shoulder making sure only the right people get to vote. Where I live, they already do.

I think we can all agree that the overwhelming evidence shows owning a gun makes you more likely to die. So can’t we agree that we want to save lives?

 

[eelw]

I think we can all agree that the overwhelming evidence shows owning a gun makes you more likely to die. So can’t we agree that we want to save lives?

Well now that it’s no longer a manhunt, this case no longer headline news. But yeah rights of guns > * apparently

 

[Moonbeam]

Now this is when moonbeam comes in and tells us that conservatives were never loved when they were a child and that “tough love” was as close as they got, that and the preference of their parents to prefer immanent objects over their kids.

Overcompensation is the result of inner suppressed feelings of inferiority. Nothing could be more obvious were it not that we all do it. You, also have never experienced real love. You would turn your back on any that did because at an unconscious level you would not believe such love could be real. If you could trust you would be healed. But you lost me with he tough love and preference for immanent things.

 

[fskimospy]

Overcompensation is the result of inner suppressed feelings of inferiority. Nothing could be more obvious were it not that we all do it. You, also have never experienced real love. You would turn your back on any that did because at an unconscious level you would not believe such love could be real. If you could trust you would be healed. But you lost me with he tough love and preference for immanent things.

What would make you consider that you’re wrong?

 

[Moonbeam]

I think we can all agree that the overwhelming evidence shows owning a gun makes you more likely to die. So can’t we agree that we want to save lives?

It's not your job to tell me how I should choose to be safe. Gun ownership is legal and attached to an ancient biological principle that self preservation is primary. I tried having horns and scales and wings but down so many roads I went extinct. Having a gun is my latest effort. You call the cops if you are in danger and hope they arrive in time to save you. I want better odds in that regard even if it opens me to other sets of dangers. Perhaps you wish to tell women not to get abortions because of a health risk too.

I am very happy you want to save me and I am sure that is your intention but I have my own ideas as to what is best for me. My thinking is that you are as safe with me owning a gun as you would be if I had none. Any fear I have. Anything that makes me suffer via imaginary thinking, all phobias and paranoid thoughts I might have, I know are sourced in me. I have only one enemy and he is me. You are same from me because I know that, but if you don't know that then you are the dangerous one. To yourself of course, not me...............

Now I really do love my guns although I rarely even look at them. I am not sure why. They are objects like works of art to me. I have a similar attraction to Japanese pottery. I love all kinds of antiques. I don't know why I feel as I do but the pleasure is real enough and it seems absurd to hate myself for it. I could hang them on the wall but it might make guests nervous as to what sort of a nut I might be. You must know how vital it is for me to have people think I'm sane. I'm not the droid everyone is looking for.

 

[Moonbeam]

What would make you consider that you’re wrong?

The ability to forget what I have experienced as true within myself. I see two things. Everything I know I know because it is true of me and that we are all the same.

 

[HomerJS]

It's not your job to tell me how I should choose to be safe. Gun ownership is legal and attached to an ancient biological principle that self preservation is primary. I tried having horns and scales and wings but down so many roads I went extinct. Having a gun is my latest effort. You call the cops if you are in danger and hope they arrive in time to save you. I want better odds in that regard even if it opens me to other sets of dangers. Perhaps you wish to tell women not to get abortions because of a health risk too.

I am very happy you want to save me and I am sure that is your intention but I have my own ideas as to what is best for me. My thinking is that you are as safe with me owning a gun as you would be if I had none. Any fear I have. Anything that makes me suffer via imaginary thinking, all phobias and paranoid thoughts I might have, I know are sourced in me. I have only one enemy and he is me. You are same from me because I know that, but if you don't know that then you are the dangerous one. To yourself of course, not me...............

Now I really do love my guns although I rarely even look at them. I am not sure why. They are objects like works of art to me. I have a similar attraction to Japanese pottery. I love all kinds of antiques. I don't know why I feel as I do but the pleasure is real enough and it seems absurd to hate myself for it. I could hang them on the wall but it might make guests nervous as to what sort of a nut I might be. You must know how vital it is for me to have people think I'm sane. I'm not the droid everyone is looking for.

If you gun stays secure in your house that is true. The minute your gun leaves your house risk goes up for us all. If you leave your house with an AR style weapon that risk is even higher.

 

[fskimospy]

It's not your job to tell me how I should choose to be safe. Gun ownership is legal and attached to an ancient biological principle that self preservation is primary. I tried having horns and scales and wings but down so many roads I went extinct. Having a gun is my latest effort. You call the cops if you are in danger and hope they arrive in time to save you. I want better odds in that regard even if it opens me to other sets of dangers. Perhaps you wish to tell women not to get abortions because of a health risk too.

I am very happy you want to save me and I am sure that is your intention but I have my own ideas as to what is best for me. My thinking is that you are as safe with me owning a gun as you would be if I had none. Any fear I have. Anything that makes me suffer via imaginary thinking, all phobias and paranoid thoughts I might have, I know are sourced in me. I have only one enemy and he is me. You are same from me because I know that, but if you don't know that then you are the dangerous one. To yourself of course, not me...............

Now I really do love my guns although I rarely even look at them. I am not sure why. They are objects like works of art to me. I have a similar attraction to Japanese pottery. I love all kinds of antiques. I don't know why I feel as I do but the pleasure is real enough and it seems absurd to hate myself for it. I could hang them on the wall but it might make guests nervous as to what sort of a nut I might be. You must know how vital it is for me to have people think I'm sane. I'm not the droid everyone is looking for.

I’m not telling you how you choose to be safe, I’m just telling you that you are emotionally invested in things that make you less safe.

Seriously the whole point here is that you’re stupid and don’t understand how the world really works.

 

[Moonbeam]

If you gun stays secure in your house that is true. The minute your gun leaves your house risk goes up for us all. If you leave your house with an AR style weapon that risk is even higher.

My house could always be broken into and my guns stolen. My AR still needs a muzzle device of some kind and none of the parts have been torqued to specifications nor has the optic been sighted in. A number of my rifles have been taken apart waiting for me to finish cleaning them and two have never been fired and are factory lubed for long term storage. I need to build a work bench and clean my garage. I don't want to go to a shooting range and don't have anywhere else to go that seems suitable. It's a long way to the Nevada desert which would be a cool place to shoot when not too hot. Maybe someday I will buy some land but time is running out.

 

[eelw]

It's not your job to tell me how I should choose to be safe. Gun ownership is legal and attached to an ancient biological principle that self preservation is primary.

llooooooolllllllllll ancient. Yup 300 years is ancient.

And us gun takers would call for a ban on Japanese pottery if there was mass murders committed by pottery.

 

[HomerJS]

My house could always be broken into and my guns stolen. My AR still needs a muzzle device of some kind and none of the parts have been torqued to specifications nor has the optic been sighted in. A number of my rifles have been taken apart waiting for me to finish cleaning them and two have never been fired and are factory lubed for long term storage. I need to build a work bench and clean my garage. I don't want to go to a shooting range and don't have anywhere else to go that seems suitable. It's a long way to the Nevada desert which would be a cool place to shoot when not too hot. Maybe someday I will buy some land but time is running out.

That would be pretty tough if they were locked up in a safe. If they were not locked and easily stolen I would hold you equally responsible for any crime committed with them

 

[Moonbeam]

I’m not telling you how you choose to be safe, I’m just telling you that you are emotionally invested in things that make you less safe.

Seriously the whole point here is that you’re stupid and don’t understand how the world really works.

Yes, well, the whole foundation of everything I know as being worth while came as a result of the death of emotional investment. It does not surprise me you would see just that reflected back. As you should know the my definition of the liberal brain defect is to see the other as stupid, because it's the very thing that people who think they are rational fear to discover. For a liberal stupid is just another word for how they were made to feel worthless.

I am not only fairly sure I am not actually stupid although I have always felt that way, (see above) but with time and experience have learned not to really care if I an or not. Monkeys are kind of stupid too but they have lots of joy in being.

I post to save liberals from the delusion that mental illness and not guns is the cause of gun violence. You argue that gun numbers are the primary issue. I have no problem with statistical facts. But you can't see the forest for the trees when it comes to mental health, naturally in my opinion.

I don't think you are stupid. I think you lack the experiences that would open your eyes. If true it couldn't be otherwise.